April Live Recruiting Periods

[quote="Chicago Days" post=280828]Rice is available because of his past issues. He has AAA-rated creds with the AAU circuit and with his kids.
We need him and he needs us. Perfect symbiotic relationship—or at least ‘good’. Nothing’s perfect!
If he comes on, gets his kids to also come here, and succeeds as an AC, he leaves yeah—but we win with those kids and our recruiting influence and MO (as in momentum) is out of the ICU and in fine shape.
Hire him Chris.
Please.[/quote] I want Rice more than anything but a few of us were told yesterday from someone who definitely gets great info that it's not happening and Mitch is coming back
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=280846][quote="Chicago Days" post=280828]Rice is available because of his past issues. He has AAA-rated creds with the AAU circuit and with his kids.
We need him and he needs us. Perfect symbiotic relationship—or at least ‘good’. Nothing’s perfect!
If he comes on, gets his kids to also come here, and succeeds as an AC, he leaves yeah—but we win with those kids and our recruiting influence and MO (as in momentum) is out of the ICU and in fine shape.
Hire him Chris.
Please.[/quote] I want Rice more than anything but a few of us were told yesterday from someone who definitely gets great info that it's not happening and Mitch is coming back[/quote]

Ugh. Thanks MJM.
 
[quote="DoodyNY33" post=280842][quote="Chicago Days" post=280828]Rice is available because of his past issues. He has AAA-rated creds with the AAU circuit and with his kids.
We need him and he needs us. Perfect symbiotic relationship—or at least ‘good’. Nothing’s perfect!
If he comes on, gets his kids to also come here, and succeeds as an AC, he leaves yeah—but we win with those kids and our recruiting influence and MO (as in momentum) is out of the ICU and in fine shape.
Hire him Chris.
Please.[/quote]

But let's be honest. He probably won't.[/quote]
I agree. It should be noted that Rice at Chris’ invitation came to campus three times last year and spent time with staff. He actually has a good relationship with one staff member and apparently a respectful one with CM. It all comes down to Mullin wanting to make the hire or not.

There are no impediments,like Slice $$, at this point and it is simply a matter of a HC deciding whether or not to alter staff composition. As a HC, it was and is his call. My guess is he stays the course with current staff. No sense beating this to death.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=280849][quote="DoodyNY33" post=280842][quote="Chicago Days" post=280828]Rice is available because of his past issues. He has AAA-rated creds with the AAU circuit and with his kids.
We need him and he needs us. Perfect symbiotic relationship—or at least ‘good’. Nothing’s perfect!
If he comes on, gets his kids to also come here, and succeeds as an AC, he leaves yeah—but we win with those kids and our recruiting influence and MO (as in momentum) is out of the ICU and in fine shape.
Hire him Chris.
Please.[/quote]

But let's be honest. He probably won't.[/quote]
I agree. It should be noted that Rice at Chris’ invitation came to campus three times last year and spent time with staff. He actually has a good relationship with one staff member and apparently a respectful one with CM. It all comes down to Mullin wanting to make the hire or not.

There are no impediments,like Slice $$, at this point and it is simply a matter of a HC deciding whether or not to alter staff composition. As a HC, it was and is his call. My guess is he stays the course with current staff. No sense beating this to death.[/quote]

I just think it's a major red flag that Mullin is 38-60 with a 12-42 conference record and he's unwilling to try something different. Especially since nobody seems to know what Mitch really does here.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=280848][quote="mjmaherjr" post=280846][quote="Chicago Days" post=280828]Rice is available because of his past issues. He has AAA-rated creds with the AAU circuit and with his kids.
We need him and he needs us. Perfect symbiotic relationship—or at least ‘good’. Nothing’s perfect!
If he comes on, gets his kids to also come here, and succeeds as an AC, he leaves yeah—but we win with those kids and our recruiting influence and MO (as in momentum) is out of the ICU and in fine shape.
Hire him Chris.
Please.[/quote] I want Rice more than anything but a few of us were told yesterday from someone who definitely gets great info that it's not happening and Mitch is coming back[/quote]

Ugh. Thanks MJM.[/quote]
Think we can all agree: it's been a string of "Ugh" weeks ... with probably more to come. :(
 
[quote="DoodyNY33" post=280866][quote="Paultzman" post=280849][quote="DoodyNY33" post=280842][quote="Chicago Days" post=280828]Rice is available because of his past issues. He has AAA-rated creds with the AAU circuit and with his kids.
We need him and he needs us. Perfect symbiotic relationship—or at least ‘good’. Nothing’s perfect!
If he comes on, gets his kids to also come here, and succeeds as an AC, he leaves yeah—but we win with those kids and our recruiting influence and MO (as in momentum) is out of the ICU and in fine shape.
Hire him Chris.
Please.[/quote]

But let's be honest. He probably won't.[/quote]
I agree. It should be noted that Rice at Chris’ invitation came to campus three times last year and spent time with staff. He actually has a good relationship with one staff member and apparently a respectful one with CM. It all comes down to Mullin wanting to make the hire or not.

There are no impediments,like Slice $$, at this point and it is simply a matter of a HC deciding whether or not to alter staff composition. As a HC, it was and is his call. My guess is he stays the course with current staff. No sense beating this to death.[/quote]

I just think it's a major red flag that Mullin is 38-60 with a 12-42 conference record and he's unwilling to try something different. Especially since nobody seems to know what Mitch really does here.[/quote]

Some have resigned themselves to the fact that we should have lower expectations from Chris Mullin than any other coach, including Steve Lavin who went to 4 post season appearances in 5 years. That record you cited is the worst three year record of the modern era with record breaking losing streaks. I predict that if Mullin wins 18 games next year and goes to the NIT there will be a few here who will call for a contract extension. My prediction is that one of the staff will fall on his sword so Mullin comes to his senses because you can't leave it to Mullin.
 
Based on win loss record ,staff salaries should be reduced. But alas legal contracts help those that do not produce like in baseball et.al sports
 
This whole Mike rice talk is ridiculous at this point. I keep on hearing you guys say he’s “ rebuilding his image”; That’s nice and all but that doesn’t change the fact he threw balls at these kids heads and acted like an emotional wreck. It’s easy to say give somebody a second chance until you have to put your kids in that boat.

A lot ( definitely not all) of these kids come from situations in which the mother is the bread winner/head of the household, so you don’t have to convince some older Caucasian male that Mike rice is cool or rehabilated, you have to now convince black mothers that this white male isn’t going to harass or bother my son in college.

Now, before you guys say will that matter? Trust me, Lavall Jordan, Patrick Ewing and Ed Cooley will definitely push that narrative. Hell, I would do the same thing and I’m not even a coach.

Remember while Mike Rice has developed some good AAU connections in the northeast area. We have to expand nationally since kids want to “Experience the world”.
 
I agree that the staff's make-up should be the Head Coach's prerogative. That said, if no changes are made and we suffer the same result, Mullin would have to seriously consider stepping aside.

Perhaps at this point he has decided to take the home run swing and is willing to live with the strikeout.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=280849][quote="DoodyNY33" post=280842][quote="Chicago Days" post=280828]Rice is available because of his past issues. He has AAA-rated creds with the AAU circuit and with his kids.
We need him and he needs us. Perfect symbiotic relationship—or at least ‘good’. Nothing’s perfect!
If he comes on, gets his kids to also come here, and succeeds as an AC, he leaves yeah—but we win with those kids and our recruiting influence and MO (as in momentum) is out of the ICU and in fine shape.
Hire him Chris.
Please.[/quote]

But let's be honest. He probably won't.[/quote]
I agree. It should be noted that Rice at Chris’ invitation came to campus three times last year and spent time with staff. He actually has a good relationship with one staff member and apparently a respectful one with CM. It all comes down to Mullin wanting to make the hire or not.

There are no impediments,like Slice $$, at this point and it is simply a matter of a HC deciding whether or not to alter staff composition. As a HC, it was and is his call. My guess is he stays the course with current staff. No sense beating this to death.[/quote]

This should silence the "maybe there are impediments" crowd. At least it's understandable if there were impediments and Mullin wanted to but couldn't make a move. Way more concerning that he's able to and won't. The results from the past 3 years are SCREAMING for a change and Mullin stays the course? It's almost as if he's hijacking the program as if he's this god emperor. What I say goes! Silence critics and evidence! I just don't get the Mullin lovefest when we've been flirting with being the new DePaul for 3 and possibly 4 straight years. With all the PT available for bigs and zero good ones coming, what does that tell you? They have zero faith in Mullin and co. Even when Lavin was losing gas recruiting, he still got some decent guys. It feels like 2 star bigs don't even want us right now.

We're headed directly towards an ice berg. Everyone's yelling and warning him and Mullin says "close your eyes and hope for the best!". Bold strategy...as someone else said this season will be a strikeout coming out of his shoes falling to the ground or a grand slam.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=280973][quote="Paultzman" post=280849][quote="DoodyNY33" post=280842][quote="Chicago Days" post=280828]Rice is available because of his past issues. He has AAA-rated creds with the AAU circuit and with his kids.
We need him and he needs us. Perfect symbiotic relationship—or at least ‘good’. Nothing’s perfect!
If he comes on, gets his kids to also come here, and succeeds as an AC, he leaves yeah—but we win with those kids and our recruiting influence and MO (as in momentum) is out of the ICU and in fine shape.
Hire him Chris.
Please.[/quote]

But let's be honest. He probably won't.[/quote]
I agree. It should be noted that Rice at Chris’ invitation came to campus three times last year and spent time with staff. He actually has a good relationship with one staff member and apparently a respectful one with CM. It all comes down to Mullin wanting to make the hire or not.

There are no impediments,like Slice $$, at this point and it is simply a matter of a HC deciding whether or not to alter staff composition. As a HC, it was and is his call. My guess is he stays the course with current staff. No sense beating this to death.[/quote]

This should silence the "maybe there are impediments" crowd. At least it's understandable if there were impediments and Mullin wanted to but couldn't make a move. Way more concerning that he's able to and won't. The results from the past 3 years are SCREAMING for a change and Mullin stays the course? It's almost as if he's hijacking the program as if he's this god emperor. What I say goes! Silence critics and evidence! I just don't get the Mullin lovefest when we've been flirting with being the new DePaul for 3 and possibly 4 straight years. With all the PT available for bigs and zero good ones coming, what does that tell you? They have zero faith in Mullin and co. Even when Lavin was losing gas recruiting, he still got some decent guys. It feels like 2 star bigs don't even want us right now.

We're headed directly towards an ice berg. Everyone's yelling and warning him and Mullin says "close your eyes and hope for the best!". Bold strategy...as someone else said this season will be a strikeout coming out of his shoes falling to the ground or a grand slam.[/quote]

Who's flirting with being the new DePaul? We've already accomplished that goal. I'm hoping we start flirting with their national academic ranking so we would not be last in the Big East in that unflattering position.
As for the recruiting I'm hoping the coaches surprise us in the coming weeks.
 
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[quote="Room112" post=280719][quote="Paultzman" post=280717][quote="SJU14" post=280716][quote="Paultzman" post=280714][quote="NCJohnnie" post=280712]Paultzman wrote: Per Zach B

St. John's has set up in-home visits with Scottie Lewis (Sunday), Jalen Gaffney (Sunday), Aidan Igiehon (Monday), and Kahlil Whitney (Tuesday), per source. #sjubb

That's encouraging. Hopefully tomorrow & Friday they will be beating the bushes for that grad transfer :) .[/quote]
Heard today they are.[/quote]

"They" is encouraging[/quote]

Matt has a mouse in his pocket. :)[/quote]

Notice Trimble in the avatar now. Wonder if they're recrutiing to replace him also.[/quote] Trimble is leaving ? As of a few days ago some of us were told he is staying. He is tight with Clark and Clark had a heart to heart with him
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=281206][quote="Room112" post=280719][quote="Paultzman" post=280717][quote="SJU14" post=280716][quote="Paultzman" post=280714][quote="NCJohnnie" post=280712]Paultzman wrote: Per Zach B

St. John's has set up in-home visits with Scottie Lewis (Sunday), Jalen Gaffney (Sunday), Aidan Igiehon (Monday), and Kahlil Whitney (Tuesday), per source. #sjubb

That's encouraging. Hopefully tomorrow & Friday they will be beating the bushes for that grad transfer :) .[/quote]
Heard today they are.[/quote]

"They" is encouraging[/quote]

Matt has a mouse in his pocket. :)[/quote]

Notice Trimble in the avatar now. Wonder if they're recrutiing to replace him also.[/quote] Trimble is leaving ? As of a few days ago some of us were told he is staying. He is tight with Clark and Clark had a heart to heart with him[/quote]
Apparently staying it appears
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=280881]This whole Mike rice talk is ridiculous at this point. I keep on hearing you guys say he’s “ rebuilding his image”; That’s nice and all but that doesn’t change the fact he threw balls at these kids heads and acted like an emotional wreck. It’s easy to say give somebody a second chance until you have to put your kids in that boat.

A lot ( definitely not all) of these kids come from situations in which the mother is the bread winner/head of the household, so you don’t have to convince some older Caucasian male that Mike rice is cool or rehabilated, you have to now convince black mothers that this white male isn’t going to harass or bother my son in college.

Now, before you guys say will that matter? Trust me, Lavall Jordan, Patrick Ewing and Ed Cooley will definitely push that narrative. Hell, I would do the same thing and I’m not even a coach.

Remember while Mike Rice has developed some good AAU connections in the northeast area. We have to expand nationally since kids want to “Experience the world”.[/quote]



Black mothers have already allowed their kids to play for Mike Rice with Team Rio. The players and their families speak highly of him. The man had anger issues, they were exposed, and he received treatment for them. I had issues of my own, before got involved in AAU basketball and I turned a negative into a positive. I was up front about my past with parents and they respected me for it.

In regards to negative recruiting, if Patrick Ewing or any coach came into my home and talked bad about another school, I would immediately ask him to leave. Parents want to hear what you can do for their child, not what is wrong with another program.

From Mike Rice's involvement with Team Rio and Hoop Group, he has many national connections. This is not even counting the time he spent as an Assistant and Head Coach in College.
 
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[quote="panther2" post=281241][quote="Sju grad 13" post=280881]This whole Mike rice talk is ridiculous at this point. I keep on hearing you guys say he’s “ rebuilding his image”; That’s nice and all but that doesn’t change the fact he threw balls at these kids heads and acted like an emotional wreck. It’s easy to say give somebody a second chance until you have to put your kids in that boat.

A lot ( definitely not all) of these kids come from situations in which the mother is the bread winner/head of the household, so you don’t have to convince some older Caucasian male that Mike rice is cool or rehabilated, you have to now convince black mothers that this white male isn’t going to harass or bother my son in college.

Now, before you guys say will that matter? Trust me, Lavall Jordan, Patrick Ewing and Ed Cooley will definitely push that narrative. Hell, I would do the same thing and I’m not even a coach.

Remember while Mike Rice has developed some good AAU connections in the northeast area. We have to expand nationally since kids want to “Experience the world”.[/quote]



Black mothers have already allowed their kids to play for Mike Rice with Team Rio. The players and their families speak highly of him. The man had anger issues, they were exposed, and he received treatment for them. I had issues of my own, before got involved in AAU basketball and I turned a negative into a positive. I was up front about my past with parents and they respected me for it.

In regards to negative recruiting, if Patrick Ewing or any coach came into my home and talked bad about another school, I would immediately ask him to leave. Parents want to hear what you can do for their child, not what is wrong with another program.

From Mike Rice's involvement with Team Rio and Hoop Group, he has many national connections. This is not even counting the time he spent as an Assistant and Head Coach in College.[/quote] +1000 and appreciate your personal honesty about yourself there
 
Panther2
Your post was beyond good and insightful -
Thank you very much!
Bewildered why CM does not welcome Mike Rice or
a similar talented coach!
Your humble servant (1800s salutation)
W.T. Sherman
(Having trouble putting up Grant or Sheridan avatar picture)
 
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[quote="panther2" post=281241][quote="Sju grad 13" post=280881]This whole Mike rice talk is ridiculous at this point. I keep on hearing you guys say he’s “ rebuilding his image”; That’s nice and all but that doesn’t change the fact he threw balls at these kids heads and acted like an emotional wreck. It’s easy to say give somebody a second chance until you have to put your kids in that boat.

A lot ( definitely not all) of these kids come from situations in which the mother is the bread winner/head of the household, so you don’t have to convince some older Caucasian male that Mike rice is cool or rehabilated, you have to now convince black mothers that this white male isn’t going to harass or bother my son in college.

Now, before you guys say will that matter? Trust me, Lavall Jordan, Patrick Ewing and Ed Cooley will definitely push that narrative. Hell, I would do the same thing and I’m not even a coach.

Remember while Mike Rice has developed some good AAU connections in the northeast area. We have to expand nationally since kids want to “Experience the world”.[/quote]



Black mothers have already allowed their kids to play for Mike Rice with Team Rio. The players and their families speak highly of him. The man had anger issues, they were exposed, and he received treatment for them. I had issues of my own, before got involved in AAU basketball and I turned a negative into a positive. I was up front about my past with parents and they respected me for it.

In regards to negative recruiting, if Patrick Ewing or any coach came into my home and talked bad about another school, I would immediately ask him to leave. Parents want to hear what you can do for their child, not what is wrong with another program.

From Mike Rice's involvement with Team Rio and Hoop Group, he has many national connections. This is not even counting the time he spent as an Assistant and Head Coach in College.[/quote]

Thanks for your honestly and insight. As you know, the negative recruiting is almost never targeted at parents but at the player via subtle comments and inferences. I also value highly those who have recognized their faults and have worked to overcome them. D'Angelo Harrison and Mike Rice are success stories that should be celebrated and not shunned as some unforgiving fans seem to suggest. If I thought Greg St. Jean or Mitch Richmond had half the coaching exuberance of coach Rice I would stand by them. I'm not sure they do.
 
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Get the Mitch criticism? But why St. Jean? Have heard he works his a** off at scouting, game planning, practice preparation, etc. Recruiting may not be his thing, but not every valuable assistant (or even some eventual head coaches) are good recruiters. People I know who are connected to hoops have immense respect for St. Jean as a pure "coach" and for his basketball intellect.


[quote="Class of 72" post=281253][quote="panther2" post=281241][quote="Sju grad 13" post=280881]This whole Mike rice talk is ridiculous at this point. I keep on hearing you guys say he’s “ rebuilding his image”; That’s nice and all but that doesn’t change the fact he threw balls at these kids heads and acted like an emotional wreck. It’s easy to say give somebody a second chance until you have to put your kids in that boat.

A lot ( definitely not all) of these kids come from situations in which the mother is the bread winner/head of the household, so you don’t have to convince some older Caucasian male that Mike rice is cool or rehabilated, you have to now convince black mothers that this white male isn’t going to harass or bother my son in college.

Now, before you guys say will that matter? Trust me, Lavall Jordan, Patrick Ewing and Ed Cooley will definitely push that narrative. Hell, I would do the same thing and I’m not even a coach.

Remember while Mike Rice has developed some good AAU connections in the northeast area. We have to expand nationally since kids want to “Experience the world”.[/quote]



Black mothers have already allowed their kids to play for Mike Rice with Team Rio. The players and their families speak highly of him. The man had anger issues, they were exposed, and he received treatment for them. I had issues of my own, before got involved in AAU basketball and I turned a negative into a positive. I was up front about my past with parents and they respected me for it.

In regards to negative recruiting, if Patrick Ewing or any coach came into my home and talked bad about another school, I would immediately ask him to leave. Parents want to hear what you can do for their child, not what is wrong with another program.

From Mike Rice's involvement with Team Rio and Hoop Group, he has many national connections. This is not even counting the time he spent as an Assistant and Head Coach in College.[/quote]

Thanks for your honestly and insight. As you know, the negative recruiting is almost never targeted at parents but at the player via subtle comments and inferences. I also value highly those who have recognized their faults and have worked to overcome them. D'Angelo Harrison and Mike Rice are success stories that should be celebrated and not shunned as some unforgiving fans seem to suggest. If I thought Greg St. Jean or Mitch Richmond had half the coaching exuberance of coach Rice I would stand by them. I'm not sure they do.[/quote]
 
[quote="Rob" post=281264]Get the Mitch criticism? But why St. Jean? Have heard he works his a** off at scouting, game planning, practice preparation, etc. Recruiting may not be his thing, but not every valuable assistant (or even some eventual head coaches) are good recruiters. People I know who are connected to hoops have immense respect for St. Jean as a pure "coach" and for his basketball intellect.


[quote="Class of 72" post=281253][quote="panther2" post=281241][quote="Sju grad 13" post=280881]This whole Mike rice talk is ridiculous at this point. I keep on hearing you guys say he’s “ rebuilding his image”; That’s nice and all but that doesn’t change the fact he threw balls at these kids heads and acted like an emotional wreck. It’s easy to say give somebody a second chance until you have to put your kids in that boat.

A lot ( definitely not all) of these kids come from situations in which the mother is the bread winner/head of the household, so you don’t have to convince some older Caucasian male that Mike rice is cool or rehabilated, you have to now convince black mothers that this white male isn’t going to harass or bother my son in college.

Now, before you guys say will that matter? Trust me, Lavall Jordan, Patrick Ewing and Ed Cooley will definitely push that narrative. Hell, I would do the same thing and I’m not even a coach.

Remember while Mike Rice has developed some good AAU connections in the northeast area. We have to expand nationally since kids want to “Experience the world”.[/quote]



Black mothers have already allowed their kids to play for Mike Rice with Team Rio. The players and their families speak highly of him. The man had anger issues, they were exposed, and he received treatment for them. I had issues of my own, before got involved in AAU basketball and I turned a negative into a positive. I was up front about my past with parents and they respected me for it.

In regards to negative recruiting, if Patrick Ewing or any coach came into my home and talked bad about another school, I would immediately ask him to leave. Parents want to hear what you can do for their child, not what is wrong with another program.

From Mike Rice's involvement with Team Rio and Hoop Group, he has many national connections. This is not even counting the time he spent as an Assistant and Head Coach in College.[/quote]

Thanks for your honestly and insight. As you know, the negative recruiting is almost never targeted at parents but at the player via subtle comments and inferences. I also value highly those who have recognized their faults and have worked to overcome them. D'Angelo Harrison and Mike Rice are success stories that should be celebrated and not shunned as some unforgiving fans seem to suggest. If I thought Greg St. Jean or Mitch Richmond had half the coaching exuberance of coach Rice I would stand by them. I'm not sure they do.[/quote][/quote]

Both are the only assistant coaches involved in non-recruiting coaching responsibilities. While GSJ appears engaged, as any very young coach should, coach Rice lives and breathes the game as a coaching lifer and not to knock GSJ but I don't know if any of our players have come or stayed at St. John's because of GSJ's knowledge or dedication to the game or players. I'm sure he works hard but coach Mullin needs more experience around him and not a 20 something trying to gain experience along with his boss. Not sure if that was ever the intended model at St. John's as opposed to a happenstance after Slice.
 
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