Apology
- Thread starter danfog
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Your entire post was spot on but the final paragraph really nails it. No need to apologize to the coach. Fans have a right to criticize. Also, I doubt that Lavin is affected much by it. I think it is ridiculous at this point to call for his firing (my opinion) but others have the right to call for it (albeit misguided).
beast of the east
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you could hope for the President to get fired too. Some people would wholeheartedly agree, others would defend him, but the reality is, he isn't getting fired. Same thing goes for Lavin, but people can talk, and feel self empowered. It's 100% not happening, and I'm not just trying to flame people like the old Roberts supporters at the end of his regime.
postell25
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I'm not going to apologize. I'm thrilled with the way this team is playing right now but there is still a better chance than not that we are a tournament caliber team who is not going to the NCAA tournament.
It took him way too long to shorten the lineup and in turn cost us dearly.
With the talent this team has, Lavin should have figured out ways to coach the team through some more early Big East wins. We shouldn't be in this position right now.
It took him way too long to shorten the lineup and in turn cost us dearly.
With the talent this team has, Lavin should have figured out ways to coach the team through some more early Big East wins. We shouldn't be in this position right now.
You are correct in that regard - Lavin isn't getting fired. And you were probably right a month ago when you said it, but I don't think it was a 100% guarantee. If we had gone 4-14 in conference play, there would have had to be discussions going on in the administration. But thankfully that nightmare isn't happening, so you are right, he won't be fired. Not any time soon at least.
In regards to having a system in place, you have to adjust to the strengths of your players rather than try to plug players into a system that might not be right for them.
Jakarr's mid range game is now clicking. Just maybe that may have something to do with the amount of time the coaches have spent with him working on his shot.
GG and Chris have been playing well lately. Just maybe the May have something to do with the individual work they put in with Coaches Whitesell and Chiles on a daily basis. When Chris first arrived he could not catch a cold. Now he is not only catching the ball but finishing.
Dlo, Dom, and Phil are aying with confidence. It helps If u know your coaches believe in u.
Aside from the normal freshman adjustment, he was dealing with his mother's health issues. His recent play has him in the conversation for Rookie of the Year.
Sometimes I feel that there are individuals on this board who have a personal vendetta with Lavin and the staff.
Why is it so hard to give the staff and team credit for a job well done.
On another note, two players that some posters on this board killed the staff for not going after hard are no longer starting for their respective teams, Calhoun and Severe, maybe the staff knew something.
Jakarr's mid range game is now clicking. Just maybe that may have something to do with the amount of time the coaches have spent with him working on his shot.
GG and Chris have been playing well lately. Just maybe the May have something to do with the individual work they put in with Coaches Whitesell and Chiles on a daily basis. When Chris first arrived he could not catch a cold. Now he is not only catching the ball but finishing.
Dlo, Dom, and Phil are aying with confidence. It helps If u know your coaches believe in u.
Aside from the normal freshman adjustment, he was dealing with his mother's health issues. His recent play has him in the conversation for Rookie of the Year.
Sometimes I feel that there are individuals on this board who have a personal vendetta with Lavin and the staff.
Why is it so hard to give the staff and team credit for a job well done.
On another note, two players that some posters on this board killed the staff for not going after hard are no longer starting for their respective teams, Calhoun and Severe, maybe the staff knew something.
I think Lavin really deserves credit for the way he handled Harrison last year. Suspending him essentially ended their season last year but it just might have changed the course of this kid's life. It appears that whatever work he did during the suspension and summer has really helped him. He's been in control both on and off the court.
I don't know how many coaches would have made the same decision when faced with the same situation.
I don't know how many coaches would have made the same decision when faced with the same situation.
Well said, Mike. This is a big part of what makes me proud of our program and our school.
But don't you think Jim Boeheim, John Calipari or even Jim Calhoun would have done the very same thing? ;-)
beast of the east
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Even the great John Thompson, Jr. has asked kids to leave the school. Lavin could have stuffed Harrison, who delivered a very poorly timed diss when Lavin was away burying his father. It wasn't the first, and Lavin basically gave up a last gasp at closing the season well by not giving up on Harrison the person. Yea, it was tough, and Lavin was criticized, but you listen to a pretty mature Harrison now, and he appears to appreciate what Lavin did for him. Even more than that Harrison has been a man about the whole thing, not deflecting one iota of blame on anyone but himself and apologized to the coaches and to his teammates. In an era of "I'm sorry, but...", there have been no "buts" in Harrison's apology, no "I have a rough life", no "I just wanted to win so bad", no "I have a lot of lot of academic pressure". Just "I'm very sorry, and very thankful that Coach and my teammates are giving me a second chance". He appears to be making the most of it. This is why Harrison is now my favorite player, and why I respect Lavin as a no nonsense guy who put one kids overall welfare above winning. It's really hard to be old-school in today's culture, but maybe this is exactly what our guys needed to turn this season around.
That's exactly it!
You also have some posters who just wanna b*tch and complain about every, single thing, regardless who is walking the sidelines.
IMO, Greene is better (or, at least, playing better) than Calhoun.
I'm not even gonna debate Jordan and Severe at this moment. I kept telling some folks that you don't back out of a recruiting race on a kid like Jordan (especially, since we were on the cusp of landing him), in order to nab Severe. I have nothing against Severe, but he isn't on the level of Jordan. Currently, we're seeing it play out in that manner.
Why is it that none of the posters who were calling for Lavin's head for suspending Dlo last year have not taken the time to acknowledge that just maybe Lavin knew what he was doing. When I watch Dlo on the court now smiling, encouraging his teammates, and playing hard it is very easy to see the positive change in his behavior.
Why is it that the posters who complained when Lavin suspended Rysheed that he was suspending to many players and had lost control are not able to give him credit for the team chemistry now. I'm just saying ??????
If anyone can be considered a role model, it is DLo, with the way he responded to all that occurred last year. Instead of taking the easy way out, and transferring, he stayed and rose to the occasion. I have the utmost respect for the young man; for his character as well as for his abilities on the court.
Thanks. I forgot about the influence and help of John Lucas. Yes, he also deserves a lot of praise for his efforts.
I think you inadvertently hit the nail on the head with Lavin. Or maybe it was intentional, I don't know!
But my point is that he is not at the one extreme, incompetent, nor is he at the other extreme, great. He's a good coach and a very good, if not great, recruiter. But I think what happens is that when he does make mistakes on the court, some people say he is incompetent. And when his decisions work out, he comes across as great. Joe Torre, IMHO and as a life long Yankee fan, was not a great field strategist. But his decisions usually worked out and he was the right guy at the right time. Maybe, and I sincerely hope so, Lavin will turn out to be a great St. John's coach. But he's not there yet. And neither is he incompetent.
Jeesh, I hope that made sense!
hmy:
buckethead
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Great post to start. I too had doubts about coach and said he needed to do a 180° turn around. I feel like he did that and then some. The team looks very confident and is playing some great ball. WTG coaching staff and team. I look forward to more of the past couple of weeks as we move forward.
I think you inadvertently hit the nail on the head with Lavin. Or maybe it was intentional, I don't know!
But my point is that he is not at the one extreme, incompetent, nor is he at the other extreme, great. He's a good coach and a very good, if not great, recruiter. But I think what happens is that when he does make mistakes on the court, some people say he is incompetent. And when his decisions work out, he comes across as great. Joe Torre, IMHO and as a life long Yankee fan, was not a great field strategist. But his decisions usually worked out and he was the right guy at the right time. Maybe, and I sincerely hope so, Lavin will turn out to be a great St. John's coach. But he's not there yet. And neither is he incompetent.
Jeesh, I hope that made sense!
You make very valid points; both Torre and Casey Stengel were considered very mediocre managers before coming to the Yankees.