Anderson - is he really the guy ?

[SJU85]

We are in year three with two of the better players in the Big East (despite Julian's struggles) and an experience Head Coach who has not had a losing season, so this is the year you should have a bump upwards.  It has not happened.

When a player is in a slump, especially your leading scorer, you design or have plays for him to get easier shots (more back door cuts, flashing him in the middle near the foul line against a soon and other things to get him going.  Not seeing enough of that.

Taken out a hot Posh in the second half after a timeout when he running the offense and was hot and hit a couple of pull up jumpers was just dumb.  So was taking out Soriano before he got in foul trouble while he was playing good defense and containing their bigs.

Repeatedly asking Wusu to take the ball out  when his decision making is questionable at key moments like at the end of the first half is insane (“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” - Albert Einstein

Not knowing when to play offense/defense late in the game (leaving Nyiwe on the court when you had a chance to sub him for a more offensive player late in the Providence game).

Just so tired of this.

There was much talk about him coaching up players, well I haven't seen it this year. 

 

[monte]

I just got done shoveling my car out, and come on the board and hear so many of you shoveling the bulls_ _ t in defense of CMA and the current state of our program. The only thing I'll say is that I agree that CMA needs to be given more time. Maybe another year. The rest of what I'm hearing is, IMO, total and utter nonsense. I don't even have the energy to debate it mostly because apathy has set in and I really don't even care any more. In fact, I watched last night's game not caring whether we won or lost. Guess it's my defense mechanism. Maybe LMF is right, maybe at my age and after 20+ years of almost total irrelevance and incompetence ,
maybe I I no longer have the patience to follow this program. Anyone know a good local Catholic School,  with a top notch coach, that I might enjoy rooting for? 

 

[RedStormNC]

Has anyone drilled down in Anderson's record from prior years?  How many cupcakes in his resume of wins?

Didn't do that backtracking, but if you only look at his conference record only at Missouri and Arkansas, he is 121-101 which is as .545% winning percentage vs. peers.

At non-power conference w/AUB conference only (he was 42-20, .677%...

adding UAB in he's a .574% conference record

not very good or great.... slightly above average

 

[we are sju]

As is the case with every coach since Louie, we have a mismosh of a roster that does not fit with the style of that particular coach. That is assuming some of them actually had a style or even a plan. The notable exception ironically was Jarvis with Fran’s players

 

[lawmanfan]

Has anyone drilled down in Anderson's record from prior years?  How many cupcakes in his resume of wins?

Didn't do that backtracking, but if you only look at his conference record only at Missouri and Arkansas, he is 121-101 which is as .545% winning percentage vs. peers.

At non-power conference w/AUB conference only (he was 42-20, .677%...

adding UAB in he's a .574% conference record

not very good or great.... slightly above average
 

To put ".545 in conference is slightly above average" into some context:

Big East records:

Greg McDermott 86-67 (.562)
Ed Cooley 101 - 90 (.529)
Kevin Willard 98-111 (.469)
Wojo 59-68 (.465)

 

 

[boo haarvey]

Has anyone drilled down in Anderson's record from prior years?  How many cupcakes in his resume of wins?

Didn't do that backtracking, but if you only look at his conference record only at Missouri and Arkansas, he is 121-101 which is as .545% winning percentage vs. peers.

At non-power conference w/AUB conference only (he was 42-20, .677%...

adding UAB in he's a .574% conference record

not very good or great.... slightly above average

 

To put ".545 in conference is slightly above average" into some context:

Big East records:

Greg McDermott 86-67 (.562)
Ed Cooley 101 - 90 (.529)
Kevin Willard 98-111 (.469)
Wojo 59-68 (.465)

Agree.  I’ll gladly take that Big East winning percentage in a coach here over the next ten years.  We’d be dancing almost every year.


 

 

[fordham96]

Well Wojo was fired so not sure why you would compare him to that record?  Might as well bring up Ewing's record.

But obviously if you are just talking about BE records Mike is worse then all of those.

BTW-Wojo's first 3 years he was 22-32 that is .407, Mike's is .391 not quite yet at end of 3rd year.

 And if you just take his Missouri/Arkansas and now BE records (because remember you argued with Shaka Smart that his VCU record DOESN'T COUNT because the only thing that counts is his high major record-your argument not mine).

Anderson's record is 139-129 conference (Big 12/SEC/BE).  That is a .518 winning percentage.

 

[beast of the east]

Mike Anderson's program is going backwards.  That is the main problem.

What would you have said 3 year ago when he was hired if I told you we would still be irrelevant in year 3 and we will finish bottom 3 in the big east?

I think you should just turn around then and the program will appear to be going forward.

 

[Redmen88]

Has anyone drilled down in Anderson's record from prior years?  How many cupcakes in his resume of wins?

Didn't do that backtracking, but if you only look at his conference record only at Missouri and Arkansas, he is 121-101 which is as .545% winning percentage vs. peers.

At non-power conference w/AUB conference only (he was 42-20, .677%...

adding UAB in he's a .574% conference record

not very good or great.... slightly above average

 

To put ".545 in conference is slightly above average" into some context:

Big East records:

Greg McDermott 86-67 (.562)
Ed Cooley 101 - 90 (.529)
Kevin Willard 98-111 (.469)
Wojo 59-68 (.465)


You want to know the difference?  Occasionally these coaches had amazing years and won tournament games.  They also had some down years which is okay as long as you had some great years.   I would trade that in a NY minute rather then being 17-15 every year. 

 

 

[ADORAZ]

I don't think it makes sense to bring up his Missouri/Arkansas records at this point because back then he had solid recruiting. He has not recruited ANYWHERE near those same levels at St. John's in four cycles (despite Lavin and Mullin being able to).

He did not win at Arkansas and Missouri with 3 star players, and he won't (and isn't) at St. John's.

Also, while there's a lot of emphasis here on Big East play, let's not forget how bad his OOC resume has been in 2/3 years thus far. Those games are just as important as Big East games.

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

I don't think it makes sense to bring up his Missouri/Arkansas records at this point because back then he had solid recruiting. He has not recruited ANYWHERE near those same levels at St. John's in four cycles (despite Lavin and Mullin being able to).

He did not win at Arkansas and Missouri with 3 star players, and he won't (and isn't) at St. John's.

Also, while there's a lot of emphasis here on Big East play, let's not forget how bad his OOC resume has been in 2/3 years thus far. Those games are just as important as Big East games.

You amazingly keep repeating the same false point over and over again. Mullin did not bring in better players than Anderson.

 

[lawmanfan]

Well Wojo was fired so not sure why you would compare him to that record?  Might as well bring up Ewing's record.

But obviously if you are just talking about BE records Mike is worse then all of those.

BTW-Wojo's first 3 years he was 22-32 that is .407, Mike's is .391 not quite yet at end of 3rd year.

 And if you just take his Missouri/Arkansas and now BE records (because remember you argued with Shaka Smart that his VCU record DOESN'T COUNT because the only thing that counts is his high major record-your argument not mine).

Anderson's record is 139-129 conference (Big 12/SEC/BE).  That is a .518 winning percentage.
 

If you stopped trying to play nine-dimensional chess for a minute and read the actual posts instead of trying to string together a variety of disconnected concepts from multiple threads simply for the purpose of being argumentative, then you might conclude that the beginning and end of this particular point was:

(1) OP says .545 in a power conference is a slightly above average record; and
(2) From glancing at a few data points, it seems as though .545 in the Big East would be a pretty good record.

There isn't anything more to it than that.  Anderson doesn't have a .545 record in this conference, and my guess is he never will.  Shaka Smart has nothing to do with anything.  Third base!

I'm sorry that you seem to have a dearth of people to argue with in your life and that you need to use this site to release some pent-up hostility.  But please direct it elsewhere, since I'm not really interested in engaging with you or the straw men you seem to enjoy creating.  I virtually never respond to your posts (except in a positive fashion), it would be much appreciated if you would find someone else (and preferably somewhere else) to get your exercise.  If you insist on continuing here, then please bear in mind that the site rules suggest that you can disagree without being disagreeable - which I must point out you are not succeeding at.

Thanks.

 

[ADORAZ]

I don't think it makes sense to bring up his Missouri/Arkansas records at this point because back then he had solid recruiting. He has not recruited ANYWHERE near those same levels at St. John's in four cycles (despite Lavin and Mullin being able to).

He did not win at Arkansas and Missouri with 3 star players, and he won't (and isn't) at St. John's.

Also, while there's a lot of emphasis here on Big East play, let's not forget how bad his OOC resume has been in 2/3 years thus far. Those games are just as important as Big East games.

You amazingly keep repeating the same false point over and over again. Mullin did not bring in better players than Anderson.

You amazingly keep denying reality regardless of how many numbers are presented to you.

You also seem to REALLY dislike Mullin (my post wasn't about Mullin, he was merely a footnote based on 247 rankings relative to CMA's recruiting). Did Mullin hurt you somehow or are you related to CMA? Genuinely curious, because your posts are pretty off.

 

[monte]

I don't think it makes sense to bring up his Missouri/Arkansas records at this point because back then he had solid recruiting. He has not recruited ANYWHERE near those same levels at St. John's in four cycles (despite Lavin and Mullin being able to).

He did not win at Arkansas and Missouri with 3 star players, and he won't (and isn't) at St. John's.

Also, while there's a lot of emphasis here on Big East play, let's not forget how bad his OOC resume has been in 2/3 years thus far. Those games are just as important as Big East games.

He also did have some 4 and 5 star kids at Ark, and even at that he only danced 3 times in 8 years. The idea that he'll do better here with 2 + 3 star kids-especially 2+3 star kids who don't stick around long-is pure folly at best, and downright delusional at worst. 

 

[ADORAZ]

I don't think it makes sense to bring up his Missouri/Arkansas records at this point because back then he had solid recruiting. He has not recruited ANYWHERE near those same levels at St. John's in four cycles (despite Lavin and Mullin being able to).

He did not win at Arkansas and Missouri with 3 star players, and he won't (and isn't) at St. John's.

Also, while there's a lot of emphasis here on Big East play, let's not forget how bad his OOC resume has been in 2/3 years thus far. Those games are just as important as Big East games.

He also did have some 4 and 5 star kids at Ark, and even at that he only danced 3 times in 8 years. The idea that he'll do better here with 2 + 3 star kids-especially 2+3 star kids who don't stick around long-is pure folly at best, and downright delusional at worst. 

Yes exactly, his teams at Arkansas/Missouri were primarily 4 stars with the occasional 5 star player. At St. John's his teams are primarily 3 stars with the occasional player like Champ/Posh who outperform their ranking. He never would've survived as long at his former schools by recruiting at his current level. Totally different talent levels.

 

[monte]

I don't think it makes sense to bring up his Missouri/Arkansas records at this point because back then he had solid recruiting. He has not recruited ANYWHERE near those same levels at St. John's in four cycles (despite Lavin and Mullin being able to).

He did not win at Arkansas and Missouri with 3 star players, and he won't (and isn't) at St. John's.

Also, while there's a lot of emphasis here on Big East play, let's not forget how bad his OOC resume has been in 2/3 years thus far. Those games are just as important as Big East games.

He also did have some 4 and 5 star kids at Ark, and even at that he only danced 3 times in 8 years. The idea that he'll do better here with 2 + 3 star kids-especially 2+3 star kids who don't stick around long-is pure folly at best, and downright delusional at worst. 

Yes exactly, his teams at Arkansas/Missouri were primarily 4 stars with the occasional 5 star player. At St. John's his teams are primarily 3 stars with the occasional player like Champ/Posh who outperform their ranking. He never would've survived as long at his former schools by recruiting at his current level. Totally different talent levels.

...totally different expectations too. We strive for mediocrity. 

 

[NCJohnnie]

Adam wrote:

Yes exactly, his teams at Arkansas/Missouri were primarily 4 stars with the occasional 5 star player. At St. John's his teams are primarily 3 stars with the occasional player like Champ/Posh who outperform their ranking. He never would've survived as long at his former schools by recruiting at his current level. Totally different talent levels.

Not disagreeing with anything you're saying above Adam, but to be fair Posh was a borderline 4 star and would have been a clear 4 star but for his injury.
Four-star guard Posh Alexander commits to St. John's (247sports.com)

 

[ADORAZ]

Adam wrote:

Yes exactly, his teams at Arkansas/Missouri were primarily 4 stars with the occasional 5 star player. At St. John's his teams are primarily 3 stars with the occasional player like Champ/Posh who outperform their ranking. He never would've survived as long at his former schools by recruiting at his current level. Totally different talent levels.

Not disagreeing with anything you're saying above Adam, but to be fair Posh was a borderline 4 star and would have been a clear 4 star but for his injury.
Four-star guard Posh Alexander commits to St. John's (247sports.com)

Yes at the time of his commitment he was ranked #105, but I believe he was injured and as a result his ranking was already tanking and continued to tank immediately after his commitment. A couple weeks before his commitment/injury his ranking was around 75 I believe and he dropped to 3 star range just a couple weeks after his commitment. I'm unsure how tough the recruiting competition was for him and whether his injury played a factor in his commitment.

Don't get me wrong Posh was an excellent addition regardless and an example (along with Champ) of a CMA recruit who outperformed their high school ranking. My issue though is we have 5-6 critical roster spots to fill every year and we can't rely on 2 players vastly outperforming their rankings to elevate the entire team. Posh just played perhaps his best game ever but we still lost despite being favored.

 

[monte]

Adam wrote:

Yes exactly, his teams at Arkansas/Missouri were primarily 4 stars with the occasional 5 star player. At St. John's his teams are primarily 3 stars with the occasional player like Champ/Posh who outperform their ranking. He never would've survived as long at his former schools by recruiting at his current level. Totally different talent levels.

Not disagreeing with anything you're saying above Adam, but to be fair Posh was a borderline 4 star and would have been a clear 4 star but for his injury.
Four-star guard Posh Alexander commits to St. John's (247sports.com)

Yes at the time of his commitment he was ranked #105, but I believe he was injured and as a result his ranking was already tanking and continued to tank immediately after his commitment. A couple weeks before his commitment/injury his ranking was around 75 I believe and he dropped to 3 star range just a couple weeks after his commitment. I'm unsure how tough the recruiting competition was for him and whether his injury played a factor in his commitment.

Don't get me wrong Posh was an excellent addition regardless and an example (along with Champ) of a CMA recruit who outperformed their high school ranking. My issue though is we have 5-6 critical roster spots to fill every year and we can't rely on 2 players vastly outperforming their rankings to elevate the entire team. Posh just played perhaps his best game ever but we still lost despite being favored.

Also, while we are most fortunate to have Posh, whether you consider him a 3 star or 4 star recruit,  he has been largely inconsistent this year. Yet another example of why we needed a much stronger  supporting cast around Posh and Champ. Maybe yesterday is a turning point for Posh, and I sure hope it is,
but not convinced. 

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

 

Yes exactly, his teams at Arkansas/Missouri were primarily 4 stars with the occasional 5 star player. At St. John's his teams are primarily 3 stars with the occasional player like Champ/Posh who outperform their ranking. He never would've survived as long at his former schools by recruiting at his current level. Totally different talent levels.

You really do post a lot of incorrect information. He recruited one 5-star player in his whole time at Arkansas. He had mainly a mix of 3-star and 4-star kids, more 3-star than 4-star.