Anderson - is he really the guy ?
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Can’t blame Anderson for missed free throws and bunnies and dumb mistakes which cost us the game last night. Also can’t blame him for Champ. BEAST may be right. Often Covid has lingering effects. If Champ has been playing like his normal self we would be talking about dancing.
yes, and unfortunately what is now a 10% dropoff from last year is coming back to haunt us.MainMan post=454657 said:
even Loyola Chicago, the other team i closely follow, has had FT shooting problems for the past several years, even in their final four run. It has cost them important games too. And there is no more a disciplined and well-coached team than them.
Marquette fired a coach who won a share of the BE Regular Season in 2019. And was headed to the NCAA's in 2020 before COVID. I'm sorry were you arguing that Wojo needed more time?
Again you cherry pick these arguments that conveniently suit your preference while ignoring 10K other things you said that contradict it.
In a previous post you argued that SJU is about where you thought they would be based on who they should beat. You then said as long as they win their home games and beat the bad teams on the road, except of course they just lost at home. Now of course you ignore that post.
Also you argued Mike Anderson deserved COY last year over Danny Hurley because the expectations were that UCONN was supposed to be good (part of the issue with UCONN was they lost the best player in the league for several weeks and they overcame that). But SJU was picked 4th and their is a good chance they are not finishing there, doesn't that deserve criticism? No? Or do you want it both ways.
lawmanfan post=454646
Reposting this (in part) from the Providence thread since the latest spate of posts on this thread seems to have been sparked by losing to Providence.
Providence is in Year 10 with the same coach and returning a bunch of players who have been in that system for multiple years or came in as upperclassmen. Watson, Reeves, Horchler, Croswell, Durham and Minaya are all seniors, Bynum is a junior, the only player who gets significant time other than those guys is Breed who's a sophomore.
That has a whole lot to do with their success this season, which you wouldn't otherwise expect if you look at their player rankings or their team stats.
Ed Cooley was basically .500 overall his first two years, going 4-14 in the league his first year and 9-9 in the league his second year (and has basically gone 10-8 in the conference ever since except for one year when he went 12-6). He did make a leap in Year 3 and went to the NCAAs, and has been consistent since then.
Taking the COVID year or two into account, the financial/structural difference between Providence and SJU, and the hope that Fr Shanley and AD Cragg will make significant progress in rectifying that, I still don't see any reason why Coach Anderson can't match at SJU what Ed Cooley does at Providence.
That it hasn't happened overnight does not mean it won't happen. Of course there's no guarantee that it will, either - but I do not see the school pushing the panic button at this juncture or in the next couple of years.
So those who find the frustration level too high or don't have patience may want to find an alternative rooting interest.
Again you cherry pick these arguments that conveniently suit your preference while ignoring 10K other things you said that contradict it.
In a previous post you argued that SJU is about where you thought they would be based on who they should beat. You then said as long as they win their home games and beat the bad teams on the road, except of course they just lost at home. Now of course you ignore that post.
Also you argued Mike Anderson deserved COY last year over Danny Hurley because the expectations were that UCONN was supposed to be good (part of the issue with UCONN was they lost the best player in the league for several weeks and they overcame that). But SJU was picked 4th and their is a good chance they are not finishing there, doesn't that deserve criticism? No? Or do you want it both ways.
lawmanfan post=454646
Reposting this (in part) from the Providence thread since the latest spate of posts on this thread seems to have been sparked by losing to Providence.
Providence is in Year 10 with the same coach and returning a bunch of players who have been in that system for multiple years or came in as upperclassmen. Watson, Reeves, Horchler, Croswell, Durham and Minaya are all seniors, Bynum is a junior, the only player who gets significant time other than those guys is Breed who's a sophomore.
That has a whole lot to do with their success this season, which you wouldn't otherwise expect if you look at their player rankings or their team stats.
Ed Cooley was basically .500 overall his first two years, going 4-14 in the league his first year and 9-9 in the league his second year (and has basically gone 10-8 in the conference ever since except for one year when he went 12-6). He did make a leap in Year 3 and went to the NCAAs, and has been consistent since then.
Taking the COVID year or two into account, the financial/structural difference between Providence and SJU, and the hope that Fr Shanley and AD Cragg will make significant progress in rectifying that, I still don't see any reason why Coach Anderson can't match at SJU what Ed Cooley does at Providence.
That it hasn't happened overnight does not mean it won't happen. Of course there's no guarantee that it will, either - but I do not see the school pushing the panic button at this juncture or in the next couple of years.
So those who find the frustration level too high or don't have patience may want to find an alternative rooting interest.
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Obviously last year Anderson had the team practice free throws and he hypnotized them into focusing on the free throw, and this year he forgot to do that.MainMan post=454657 said:
Was Covid a problem for Champ when he scored 34 points and had 16 rebounds against DePaul or when he hit the game tying 3 late vs Uconn? Ok we would be dancing if only Champ didn't get Covid. I'm going to drop an email to Cragg right now to add an extension on top of the extension to CMA's contract. In fact how about a roll over type contract to add 5 years to his contract every time he wins a game.richard A Steinfeld post=454661 said:
This idea that the coach is not responsible for missed free throws or this or that. I guess technically that is correct.
I just don't understand the argument.
They are 44-35 with him as HC and 18-28 in conference play so far. Throw in his last year at Arkansas he is 62-51/ 26-38 over almost 4 years. That he does own, 100%. Lock stock and barrel.
With no NCAA restrictions or violations that is not good. Especially for an experienced HC. I am not saying he should be fired and I don't think he will be but I just don't understand why we should not expect more.
The record is actually worse when you look at the lack of quality wins especially in the non-conference. They literally have no quality non-conference wins in 2 years. That's bad.
Then you throw in the high expectations for this year and this is not good at all.
And now we are told, well if you look at Providence it took 10 years to be THIS good. So be patient. LOL!!!!
I just don't understand the argument.
They are 44-35 with him as HC and 18-28 in conference play so far. Throw in his last year at Arkansas he is 62-51/ 26-38 over almost 4 years. That he does own, 100%. Lock stock and barrel.
With no NCAA restrictions or violations that is not good. Especially for an experienced HC. I am not saying he should be fired and I don't think he will be but I just don't understand why we should not expect more.
The record is actually worse when you look at the lack of quality wins especially in the non-conference. They literally have no quality non-conference wins in 2 years. That's bad.
Then you throw in the high expectations for this year and this is not good at all.
And now we are told, well if you look at Providence it took 10 years to be THIS good. So be patient. LOL!!!!
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beast of the east
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Only can report what I hear. I can say I'm closer to the program than most. I didn't hear this from the top, but considering the myriad of post Covid related illnesses, this is certainly plausible.bamafan post=454666 said:
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I don’t know what the problem is w Champ. The fact is lately he has been underproducing, which has cost us games. Posh , however, was an animal last night. Wheeler also a pleasant surprise.
We aren’t getting rid of Anderson and if we did great coaches aren’t banging down the doors for this job, just look at the last coaching search
We aren’t getting rid of Anderson and if we did great coaches aren’t banging down the doors for this job, just look at the last coaching search
we are sju
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Imagine McKillop instead of Norm
Where would program be now?
Would he still be the coach?
Where would program be now?
Would he still be the coach?
beast of the east
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Imagine if we hired Coach K when Looie went to the Nets.we are sju post=454680 said:
Imagine if we hired BIlly Donovan went Looie retired, when Mahoney got fired, when Fran got fired, when Jarvis got fired.
Imagine naming any successful coach and inserting them into your argument.
Imagine if Lincoln didn't get shot.
Imagine if the British had a better strategy in the American revolution.
Imagine if the US didn't get involved in WWII
Imagine if we killed Bin Laden after the first attack on the WTC
Imagine all those people, living life in peace.
we are sju
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Can go further back
If we hadn’t complained about paying taxes to England this would be some soccer site
Norm would have probably been bad at that too though
If we hadn’t complained about paying taxes to England this would be some soccer site
Norm would have probably been bad at that too though
we are sju post=454680 said:
We would have plenty of shooters that’s for sure. Have you seen Davidson play. No great athletes on that team, just good basketball players who shoot the hell out of the ball. Their 6’10 245 lb center shoots 43% from 3. They’re 18-3 and the best team in the A-10. They’re a pleasure to watch.
Mullins Revenge
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Mike Anderson's program is going backwards. That is the main problem.
What would you have said 3 year ago when he was hired if I told you we would still be irrelevant in year 3 and we will finish bottom 3 in the big east?
What would you have said 3 year ago when he was hired if I told you we would still be irrelevant in year 3 and we will finish bottom 3 in the big east?
we are sju
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Only brought up McKillop because they played before us and I still blame Norm for this mess
Mahoney, Fran and Jarvis were understandable hires
Norm was not and have been scrambling ever since
Mahoney, Fran and Jarvis were understandable hires
Norm was not and have been scrambling ever since
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