Mullins Revenge
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Notice that St Johns isnt giving the networks the Mike Anderson "above .500" stat anymore? At least they see the writing on the wall.
Anderson - is he really the guy ?
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Dan V
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Our very own Eugene Lawrence, Russ Smith, Desi Rodriguez, Eric Paschall, Jamine Peterson and thats off the top of my head. Dont sleep on the city kids they can ball, not all them get the same opportunity for exposure for reasons outside of basketball but thats a convo for another time.Andrew post=453514 said:
Call me the eternal optimist but the longer our season goes the more comfortable I feel about next year. For starters Soriano, Mathis, Wheeler and Stanley have all improved and will contribute more next season. Hopefully Pinzon will be healthy and will also contribute. At the rate Champ is playing he will not get drafted. Could he be signed after the draft yes but his last few games he has clearly played himself out of the draft. Posh and Wusu had bad games yesterday but both still have a bright future to varying degrees. Nyiewe will also contribute in his limited but growing role. I like the 3 players who will be freshmen next year. Of course all this is predicated on no one leaving. If we start from zero again like we did this year just forget my post. But I think CMA is smart and will not allow another mass exodus to occur.MainMan post= said:
Dan V
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Your not the only one I feel the same way. Assuming they come back the three transfers should be better year two. To me Mathis has been consistent all year, he comes out and just plays his role. I don’t think there is that much room for improvement with him but he is solid already. Wheeler’s improvement has been obvious and since he barely played at Purdue I believe he has a decent amount of potential still. Soriano is coming along little by little and im willing to be patient, it took Nate Watson a while to become who he is today, bigs usually take time. SJU doesn’t land very many centers for some reason so lets hold on to him if we can. Stanley looks promising to me, the one play against Creighton or SH I think it was, he took it off the dribble and to my surprise was able to turn the corner and get to the hole. Didn’t think he had that type of flexibility, raised his ceiling a bit in my eyes from an energy big to maybe a legit face up 4 man in the future. I’ve said it before Pinzon has some stuff you can’t teach, there’s a reason Florida, Illinois, Xavier, Georgia Tech wanted him. He wasn’t just some reach by the staff he belongs at this level as a prospect. Not sure about Nyiwe I think he transfers but that’s just me.redmannorth post=453919 said:
Soriano is improving. Still needs lots of work with footwork especially turning to right shoulder. But, what I particularly like is that he seems to be getting a bit nasty (in a good way). Right now, we only see this toughness from our shortest players.redmannorth post=453919 said:
Stanley is going to be something. He already is our best one-on-one defender (outside of Posh for now) and uses his left hand better than anyone on the team.
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I'm a big believer in forward momentum from one season to the next.
Thought we had something great going last year before the rash of transfers. Still thought with Julian and Posh coming back that we'd be a lot better than we are.
I really believe the next month is a huge determination where this program goes under CMA.
Because right now, the results on the court and in recruiting say it's going in the wrong direction.
And diamonds-in-the-rough kind of recruits aren't going to change that.
Thought we had something great going last year before the rash of transfers. Still thought with Julian and Posh coming back that we'd be a lot better than we are.
I really believe the next month is a huge determination where this program goes under CMA.
Because right now, the results on the court and in recruiting say it's going in the wrong direction.
And diamonds-in-the-rough kind of recruits aren't going to change that.
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Paultzman post=453951 said:
I agree with Monte , you can change the trajectory of an entire roster in one offseason with the way the transfer rules are now. I hope CMA and staff just go out and get some shooters. We have Storr coming in so that’s definitely a plus.
I think the reason why Posh’s inability to shoot consistently is such a liability right now is not really his fault. The problem is roster construction. If you put Posh out there with a Two guard and two forwards who are quality shooters and a big man who finish in the paint consistently then Posh would be able to work his magic and the fact that he’s not a consistent shooter wouldn’t matter that much because the other three guys would be and because of that they would draw out the defense and open up driving lanes and create plenty of space for Posh to work. The way the roster is formulated now it just accentuates the one liability he has and doesn’t allow him to maximize his strengths to the greatest extent possible offensively. CMA has to correct this for next season.
Spocky Ramone
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No, but I think with our stagnant offense that maybe we should run the weave.otis post=453898 said:
Losing Champ will be huge. We know what he can do. We have no idea what Storr will do so we can't count on him as any kind of replacement as of yet. Maybe he makes an immediate impact, or maybe he develops over a few years. We'll see who leaves and who comes, but at the very least CMA needs to bring in 1 or 2 pure shooters and serviceable bigs. That would be a good start.Mean Gene post=453966 said:
Monte noted
“Losing Champ will be huge. We know what he can do. We have no idea what Storr will do so we can't count on him as any kind of replacement as of yet. Maybe he makes an immediate impact, or maybe he develops over a few years. We'll see who leaves and who comes, but at the very least CMA needs to bring in 1 or 2 pure shooters and serviceable bigs. That would be a good start. “
I agree on all counts and would add that kids transfer for several reasons like perceived minutes available elsewhere and having a chance to play on a team capable of “Dancing”. Regarding the latter, it is natural to worry about some of our better returnees opting to go in the face of our dismal NCAA T rate of participation and dance prospects next season.
“Losing Champ will be huge. We know what he can do. We have no idea what Storr will do so we can't count on him as any kind of replacement as of yet. Maybe he makes an immediate impact, or maybe he develops over a few years. We'll see who leaves and who comes, but at the very least CMA needs to bring in 1 or 2 pure shooters and serviceable bigs. That would be a good start. “
I agree on all counts and would add that kids transfer for several reasons like perceived minutes available elsewhere and having a chance to play on a team capable of “Dancing”. Regarding the latter, it is natural to worry about some of our better returnees opting to go in the face of our dismal NCAA T rate of participation and dance prospects next season.
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SJU61982 post=453866 said:
Thus far in terms of record I would have expected to be either one or two games ahead of where we are. I would have expected to win the Pitt game and maybe have a shot at the Indiana game. But realistically we are "the Pitt game" away from where I would have figured we would be. I certainly had little expectation of winning at Providence, at Nova, or at U Conn. I figured we'd split with the Hall (though not quite the way it happened).
It obviously remains to be seen what happens from here on out. We need to split with Marquette (assuming we get two games with them), Butler and Xavier, win the rematches (home games) with Providence, Nova, Creighton and UConn, and complete the sweeps of Georgetown and DePaul. If we pick up an extra game to make up for Pitt loss, that would be awesome. If we lose an extra game, it doesn't put a stake in our heart (depending which game it is).
To me, Coach Anderson comes with some pluses and minuses, as with any coach. When the team wins, you see the pluses and when they lose you see the minuses. The pluses are that his teams are committed to defense, they play hard, they seem to get better as the season goes on, they tend to dictate the pace, and when they get the game on their terms they make it very difficult for most opponents. The minuses are that the crunch-time tactics generally amount to "get the ball to one of these two guys and they'll get a look" and that what he is looking for in player character and commitment may exclude some 4 star or 5 star recruits from consideration.
I remain of the opinion that this skill set can consistently get SJU to the middle of the pack in the Big East, despite the structural disadvantages that the program has. It's an open question what happens from there - if the school can improve its facilities and being consistently competitive (and the playing style) attracts more players, then we could take another step.
To me this is still a work in progress, and I would think our fan base (having lived through Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin) would be smarter than to say "hey let's trade in this totally professional (if not perfect) coach who's done nothing but win for 20 years for this guy who hasn't done anything yet but I hear he's a hot commodity." IMO there is not insignificant value in having stability and professionalism which the program has woefully lacked for 25 years now. It may not be sexy and it may not get you the immediate results you want, but it is a much-needed commodity at St John's.
It obviously remains to be seen what happens from here on out. We need to split with Marquette (assuming we get two games with them), Butler and Xavier, win the rematches (home games) with Providence, Nova, Creighton and UConn, and complete the sweeps of Georgetown and DePaul. If we pick up an extra game to make up for Pitt loss, that would be awesome. If we lose an extra game, it doesn't put a stake in our heart (depending which game it is).
To me, Coach Anderson comes with some pluses and minuses, as with any coach. When the team wins, you see the pluses and when they lose you see the minuses. The pluses are that his teams are committed to defense, they play hard, they seem to get better as the season goes on, they tend to dictate the pace, and when they get the game on their terms they make it very difficult for most opponents. The minuses are that the crunch-time tactics generally amount to "get the ball to one of these two guys and they'll get a look" and that what he is looking for in player character and commitment may exclude some 4 star or 5 star recruits from consideration.
I remain of the opinion that this skill set can consistently get SJU to the middle of the pack in the Big East, despite the structural disadvantages that the program has. It's an open question what happens from there - if the school can improve its facilities and being consistently competitive (and the playing style) attracts more players, then we could take another step.
To me this is still a work in progress, and I would think our fan base (having lived through Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin) would be smarter than to say "hey let's trade in this totally professional (if not perfect) coach who's done nothing but win for 20 years for this guy who hasn't done anything yet but I hear he's a hot commodity." IMO there is not insignificant value in having stability and professionalism which the program has woefully lacked for 25 years now. It may not be sexy and it may not get you the immediate results you want, but it is a much-needed commodity at St John's.
The question is not merely what record would SJU fans reasonably expect at this point? And then simply say the Pitt loss is the only one that can reasonably be said they should have expected to win and didn't. That overlooks Creighton by 23, they were picked higher then Creighton, why should SJU fans not expect to at least be competitive if not win that game. Also it cannot simply be about what can one reasonably expect based on current talent level.
For example if you went thru Norm Roberts last year(or many of his seasons) how many games did Norm Roberts lose where SJU was clearly the BETTER team. Not many. So what? So in some ways he met expectations. I guess that means he should've been kept.
The better question is WHY ISNT SJU BETTER OR AS GOOD AS SOME OF THESE TEAMS WE DON'T EXPECT TO BEAT ANYMORE?
Why isn't he recruiting better? At what point can we expect to beat some of these teams on the road? Why wasn't the schedule more challenging and if so that 12-8 record would probably look even worse. Yes they basically beat, except for Pitt, the teams they were supposed to beat but most of them were awful and some of the wins were way too close, why? Marquette swept Seton Hall, why couldn't SJU? Why couldn't they split with Creighton and PC?
These are all fair questions that don't get answered simply by saying, "Well we're basically winning the games that most expected and losing the games that most expect."
lawmanfan post=454014
Thus far in terms of record I would have expected to be either one or two games ahead of where we are. I would have expected to win the Pitt game and maybe have a shot at the Indiana game. But realistically we are "the Pitt game" away from where I would have figured we would be. I certainly had little expectation of winning at Providence, at Nova, or at U Conn. I figured we'd split with the Hall (though not quite the way it happened).
It obviously remains to be seen what happens from here on out. We need to split with Marquette (assuming we get two games with them), Butler and Xavier, win the rematches (home games) with Providence, Nova, Creighton and UConn, and complete the sweeps of Georgetown and DePaul. If we pick up an extra game to make up for Pitt loss, that would be awesome. If we lose an extra game, it doesn't put a stake in our heart (depending which game it is).
To me, Coach Anderson comes with some pluses and minuses, as with any coach. When the team wins, you see the pluses and when they lose you see the minuses. The pluses are that his teams are committed to defense, they play hard, they seem to get better as the season goes on, they tend to dictate the pace, and when they get the game on their terms they make it very difficult for most opponents. The minuses are that the crunch-time tactics generally amount to "get the ball to one of these two guys and they'll get a look" and that what he is looking for in player character and commitment may exclude some 4 star or 5 star recruits from consideration.
I remain of the opinion that this skill set can consistently get SJU to the middle of the pack in the Big East, despite the structural disadvantages that the program has. It's an open question what happens from there - if the school can improve its facilities and being consistently competitive (and the playing style) attracts more players, then we could take another step.
To me this is still a work in progress, and I would think our fan base (having lived through Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin) would be smarter than to say "hey let's trade in this totally professional (if not perfect) coach who's done nothing but win for 20 years for this guy who hasn't done anything yet but I hear he's a hot commodity." IMO there is not insignificant value in having stability and professionalism which the program has woefully lacked for 25 years now. It may not be sexy and it may not get you the immediate results you want, but it is a much-needed commodity at St John's.
For example if you went thru Norm Roberts last year(or many of his seasons) how many games did Norm Roberts lose where SJU was clearly the BETTER team. Not many. So what? So in some ways he met expectations. I guess that means he should've been kept.
The better question is WHY ISNT SJU BETTER OR AS GOOD AS SOME OF THESE TEAMS WE DON'T EXPECT TO BEAT ANYMORE?
Why isn't he recruiting better? At what point can we expect to beat some of these teams on the road? Why wasn't the schedule more challenging and if so that 12-8 record would probably look even worse. Yes they basically beat, except for Pitt, the teams they were supposed to beat but most of them were awful and some of the wins were way too close, why? Marquette swept Seton Hall, why couldn't SJU? Why couldn't they split with Creighton and PC?
These are all fair questions that don't get answered simply by saying, "Well we're basically winning the games that most expected and losing the games that most expect."
lawmanfan post=454014
Thus far in terms of record I would have expected to be either one or two games ahead of where we are. I would have expected to win the Pitt game and maybe have a shot at the Indiana game. But realistically we are "the Pitt game" away from where I would have figured we would be. I certainly had little expectation of winning at Providence, at Nova, or at U Conn. I figured we'd split with the Hall (though not quite the way it happened).
It obviously remains to be seen what happens from here on out. We need to split with Marquette (assuming we get two games with them), Butler and Xavier, win the rematches (home games) with Providence, Nova, Creighton and UConn, and complete the sweeps of Georgetown and DePaul. If we pick up an extra game to make up for Pitt loss, that would be awesome. If we lose an extra game, it doesn't put a stake in our heart (depending which game it is).
To me, Coach Anderson comes with some pluses and minuses, as with any coach. When the team wins, you see the pluses and when they lose you see the minuses. The pluses are that his teams are committed to defense, they play hard, they seem to get better as the season goes on, they tend to dictate the pace, and when they get the game on their terms they make it very difficult for most opponents. The minuses are that the crunch-time tactics generally amount to "get the ball to one of these two guys and they'll get a look" and that what he is looking for in player character and commitment may exclude some 4 star or 5 star recruits from consideration.
I remain of the opinion that this skill set can consistently get SJU to the middle of the pack in the Big East, despite the structural disadvantages that the program has. It's an open question what happens from there - if the school can improve its facilities and being consistently competitive (and the playing style) attracts more players, then we could take another step.
To me this is still a work in progress, and I would think our fan base (having lived through Norm Roberts and Chris Mullin) would be smarter than to say "hey let's trade in this totally professional (if not perfect) coach who's done nothing but win for 20 years for this guy who hasn't done anything yet but I hear he's a hot commodity." IMO there is not insignificant value in having stability and professionalism which the program has woefully lacked for 25 years now. It may not be sexy and it may not get you the immediate results you want, but it is a much-needed commodity at St John's.