Anderson - is he really the guy ?

[Section3]

I can’t read this all but I’m sure there’s a ton of good posts. I had the benefit of missing the second half yesterday. Thank god. 

I’ll just point out we basically had this exact same thread last season and we were in a worse spot then. Long way to go. Think it would be silly to call this season over or CMA done with before BE season even starts.

Who would have thought a brand new team looks a lot better on paper than it does on the court? 

Well, its about time you showed up

 

[dee]

The thread from when Anderson was extended - way way back a few months ago - is still available to read. So I read it. The opinions ranged mostly from happiness to ecstasy, with a few wary comments. And all the transfers had already taken place by then. 

Many say here that they use this place to vent, and the posts sure read that way. All emotion, no logic. And if that really does make people feel better, go for it. Whatever gets you through the night. But obviously SJU can’t run the athletic department that way. At least it’s obvious to me. The extension follows a logic that I can support. That is that spinning coaches every few years guarantees failure. The program needs stability. Relationships are part of recruiting. Relationships take time.

Is Anderson the guy? That will resolve itself over time. That time is not today, or even the end of this season. 

Okay, sorry for the interruption. Carry on with the annual tradition of the airing of grievances.

Tis the season afterall.

The reason I think for grievances is because we really havent had a good program for more than 20 years.
 

 

[dee]

The thread from when Anderson was extended - way way back a few months ago - is still available to read. So I read it. The opinions ranged mostly from happiness to ecstasy, with a few wary comments. And all the transfers had already taken place by then. 

Many say here that they use this place to vent, and the posts sure read that way. All emotion, no logic. And if that really does make people feel better, go for it. Whatever gets you through the night. But obviously SJU can’t run the athletic department that way. At least it’s obvious to me. The extension follows a logic that I can support. That is that spinning coaches every few years guarantees failure. The program needs stability. Relationships are part of recruiting. Relationships take time.

Is Anderson the guy? That will resolve itself over time. That time is not today, or even the end of this season. 

Okay, sorry for the interruption. Carry on with the annual tradition of the airing of grievances.

Tis the season afterall.

The reason I think for grievances is because we really havent had a good program for more than 20 years.
 

 

[Las Vegan]

The reason we are even having this discussion this early in the season, I think, is because the last 20 plus years has made many of us to expect to be disappointed. Also, in Louie's day, including Mulzoff's three years, you had a head coach and two assistants, at a cost of under $100 thousand. Now, you have a head coach, three assistants, special advisors, directors, coordinators, etc, with a budget of near $3.5 million. It just seems like a poor return on investment.
I hope things work out with this staff, but if it does not, it will mean the school has had to buy out seven consecutive coaches. That's got to be an NCAA record.

 

[beast of the east]

The reason we are even having this discussion this early in the season, I think, is because the last 20 plus years has made many of us to expect to be disappointed. Also, in Louie's day, including Mulzoff's three years, you had a head coach and two assistants, at a cost of under $100 thousand. Now, you have a head coach, three assistants, special advisors, directors, coordinators, etc, with a budget of near $3.5 million. It just seems like a poor return on investment.
I hope things work out with this staff, but if it does not, it will mean the school has had to buy out seven consecutive coaches. That's got to be an NCAA record.

Actually, you are wrong about 7 consecutive coaches getting bought out.

 

[usguard]

You can not be totally dependent on one player to win games . That’s is why we call them a team
That. Bring  said ,you had to recruit enough high talent to overcome a loss of a player





 

 

[L J S A]

You can not be totally dependent on one player to win games . That’s is why we call them a team
That. Bring  said ,you had to recruit enough high talent to overcome a loss of a player






 

It was pretty weird that apparently every other team would have guys step up to help try to fill the void left by their star, but we score in the 50s when we lose a ~20 ppg guy. 

 

[beast of the east]

You can not be totally dependent on one player to win games . That’s is why we call them a team
That. Bring  said ,you had to recruit enough high talent to overcome a loss of a player






 

So I guess you are saying the Chicago Bulls weren't much of a team because they couldn't overcome the loss of Jordan when he went on hiatus? It's a patently ridiculous assertion you are making.

Facts are without our best player we are much less of a team. For one game at least and likely more, much less than we thought.

 

[monte]

One only need go back and look at last year's box scores to see that other players picked up the slack when Julian had an off game or DNP. From the very first game of the season, and throughout the season. Cole, Moore, Earl, Dunn, GWill and Posh all had multiple big scoring games.  We won our first 2 games last year with essentially a new team and no Julian. We don't have that kind of balance this year.  At least I haven't seen it yet. Depth(bodies) is not balance. 

 

[SJU85]

Hire Pitino and end the madness. This guy stinks as a coach. His calling card is he’s consistent at being slightly better than mediocre. The talent level on this team sucks, the coaching sucks and his recruiting is awful. 

This Catholic University is not going to do that and you know it so to keep repeating it makes no sense other than sounding like a broken record.

Isn’t Christianity about forgiveness?  Why does our being a catholic university have any relevance?  Do Catholics have a higher sense of morality than others?  



 

I might forgive someone for stealing from me, doesn’t me I am going to give them the opportunity to do it again or trust that they won’t (speaking for this particular person).

I won’t go into whether or not Catholics have a higher sense of morality than others but will point out Pitino was hired by Iona, which is a Catholic College.  

 

[beast of the east]

Hire Pitino and end the madness. This guy stinks as a coach. His calling card is he’s consistent at being slightly better than mediocre. The talent level on this team sucks, the coaching sucks and his recruiting is awful. 

This Catholic University is not going to do that and you know it so to keep repeating it makes no sense other than sounding like a broken record.

Isn’t Christianity about forgiveness?  Why does our being a catholic university have any relevance?  Do Catholics have a higher sense of morality than others?  




 

I might forgive someone for stealing from me, doesn’t me I am going to give them the opportunity to do it again or trust that they won’t (speaking for this particular person).

I won’t go into whether or not Catholics have a higher sense of morality than others but will point out Pitino was hired by Iona, which is a Catholic College.  

With Pitino, ours being a faith based university would weigh somewhat but not the whole story.   Consider that Pitino going to a mid-major is because he was basically not worth the baggage for any major program and no one would touch him.   It was not only the embarrassment of his backroom romp with a waitress, but also his role in players getting paid, as well as interesting recruiting visit agendas.    I'm not against him redeeming himself at Iona, but for a major program there are a bunch of candidates that are safer choices, even if Pitino has had a HOF career.   In light of paying players though, you wonder just how great a recruiter he was and how widespread cheating is at the higher levels if he took part.   

Pitino would never have taken the SJU job at any point in his career except after the fall.   If history is any indication, to assemble a top notch program he had to cheat, under the magnifying glass of NYC and SJU's long standing disdain for sleezy activity, this would never be the place for him.  

I really hope he does well playing by the rules at Iona.   I won't root against him, but I guess anyone who is so enamored with him might be better suited to root for Iona as a team to live and die for.

 

[room112]

Hire Pitino and end the madness. This guy stinks as a coach. His calling card is he’s consistent at being slightly better than mediocre. The talent level on this team sucks, the coaching sucks and his recruiting is awful. 

This Catholic University is not going to do that and you know it so to keep repeating it makes no sense other than sounding like a broken record.

Isn’t Christianity about forgiveness?  Why does our being a catholic university have any relevance?  Do Catholics have a higher sense of morality than others?  





 

I might forgive someone for stealing from me, doesn’t me I am going to give them the opportunity to do it again or trust that they won’t (speaking for this particular person).

I won’t go into whether or not Catholics have a higher sense of morality than others but will point out Pitino was hired by Iona, which is a Catholic College.  

With Pitino, ours being a faith based university would weigh somewhat but not the whole story.   Consider that Pitino going to a mid-major is because he was basically not worth the baggage for any major program and no one would touch him.   It was not only the embarrassment of his backroom romp with a waitress, but also his role in players getting paid, as well as interesting recruiting visit agendas.    I'm not against him redeeming himself at Iona, but for a major program there are a bunch of candidates that are safer choices, even if Pitino has had a HOF career.   In light of paying players though, you wonder just how great a recruiter he was and how widespread cheating is at the higher levels if he took part.   

Pitino would never have taken the SJU job at any point in his career except after the fall.   If history is any indication, to assemble a top notch program he had to cheat, under the magnifying glass of NYC and SJU's long standing disdain for sleezy activity, this would never be the place for him.  

I really hope he does well playing by the rules at Iona.   I won't root against him, but I guess anyone who is so enamored with him might be better suited to root for Iona as a team to live and die for.

Here's the problem with Pitino. Yes, everyone deserves a second chance, and people do deserve to be forgiven. The issue is I don't believe he's every truly shown remorse, owned up to his mistakes, or shown any willingness to admit any of what he did was wrong. I can be mistaken on that, but I don't believe his ego would allow him to accept wrongdoing. Had he shown remorse and taken accountability for his actions, I believe he may have been a candidate here.

 

[SJU85]

"I'm not against him redeeming himself at Iona, but for a major program there are a bunch of candidates that are safer choices."  Beast, I agree.

 

[Ray Morgan]

Hire Pitino and end the madness. This guy stinks as a coach. His calling card is he’s consistent at being slightly better than mediocre. The talent level on this team sucks, the coaching sucks and his recruiting is awful. 

This Catholic University is not going to do that and you know it so to keep repeating it makes no sense other than sounding like a broken record.

Isn’t Christianity about forgiveness?  Why does our being a catholic university have any relevance?  Do Catholics have a higher sense of morality than others?  






 

I might forgive someone for stealing from me, doesn’t me I am going to give them the opportunity to do it again or trust that they won’t (speaking for this particular person).

I won’t go into whether or not Catholics have a higher sense of morality than others but will point out Pitino was hired by Iona, which is a Catholic College.  

With Pitino, ours being a faith based university would weigh somewhat but not the whole story.   Consider that Pitino going to a mid-major is because he was basically not worth the baggage for any major program and no one would touch him.   It was not only the embarrassment of his backroom romp with a waitress, but also his role in players getting paid, as well as interesting recruiting visit agendas.    I'm not against him redeeming himself at Iona, but for a major program there are a bunch of candidates that are safer choices, even if Pitino has had a HOF career.   In light of paying players though, you wonder just how great a recruiter he was and how widespread cheating is at the higher levels if he took part.   

Pitino would never have taken the SJU job at any point in his career except after the fall.   If history is any indication, to assemble a top notch program he had to cheat, under the magnifying glass of NYC and SJU's long standing disdain for sleezy activity, this would never be the place for him.  

I really hope he does well playing by the rules at Iona.   I won't root against him, but I guess anyone who is so enamored with him might be better suited to root for Iona as a team to live and die for.



You don't have to wonder how widespread cheating is at the higher levels. College basketball is big money. That's all one needs to know. Success is based on the number of special players you can recruit out of high school.  A lot of  schools, through various means, are willing to pay the recruits that are for sale.  By all accounts, CMA and staff  is doing the traditional recruiting things correctly. Hard work, being on players early on, building relationships. In 1 partial and 3 full classes, CMA has landed just one 4 star recruit, and that's for next season.  I mentioned a while back that a good test of what a coach could do on the level would be Pitino at Iona. Cheat or not, he can coach the game. How is he doing with 4 star recruits?  I don't think any better than CMA.

I go back to what Fran Fraschilla said  during a game about 4 or 5 years ago.   When discussing all of the transfers St. John's had, he mentioned that go after transfers was a good strategy, because you were getting good players that were already bought and paid for. You can't get more obvious than that.

 

 

[we are sju]

If ST John’s coach finishes over 500 and team does not wind up on front page of any newspaper coach will be here Min 5 years
Anderson gonna be here as long as he wants

 

[GardenCity62]

Maybe one of the problems is that Anderson knows his job is safe for the next five years.

 

[lawmanfan]

There are so few things you can count on in the world.  But at least one of them is knowing that the St. John's fan base is consistently the most short-term thinking, recency-bias affected, widest range of overreactions bunch in all of sports. 

You would think from reading this thread (or at least the little bit of it I could be bothered to read) that St John's is the first team in the history of collegiate sports to have a bad loss.

By the way for those of you who haven't been paying attention, here are a few nuggets for you to consider:

Navy 66, Virginia 58
Furman 80, Louisville 72
Oakland 56, Oklahoma State 55
Dartmouth 69, Georgetown 60
Northern Illinois 71, Washington 64
Princeton 66, S. Carolina 62
Hofstra 89, Arkansas 81

I guess if athletic directors listened to fans there would be a lot of great coaches available since they would have been fired immediately after those bad losses. 

It's one game people.  Without the likely Big East Player of the Year.  Against a Power 5 conference team, albeit a terrible one.

Your coach was the freakin' Big East Coach of the Year last year, people.  He recruited two of the best players in the conference and there are more of them in the house and on the way.  There are 8 new players on this roster to integrate, not all of them are doing so at the same pace, and that's just the way it is.  You came into the week ranked in the top 10 in the country in offense and it's obvious that the team is not ready to play the trademark Anderson pressure D yet because it hasn't been seen for more than a few minutes in one game.

Did the game suck?  Yes.  Did some players have bad games?  Yes.  Was it frustrating and annoying?  Hell yes.  Does it damage our tourney aspirations?  Yeah, some, but not in any meaningful way if - BIG IF - the team takes care of business in conference play.

We have 19 league games to play.  Let's see how it goes before we advance to defenstration.

Yeesh.

 

[Eric]

There are so few things you can count on in the world.  But at least one of them is knowing that the St. John's fan base is consistently the most short-term thinking, recency-bias affected, widest range of overreactions bunch in all of sports. 

You would think from reading this thread (or at least the little bit of it I could be bothered to read) that St John's is the first team in the history of collegiate sports to have a bad loss.

By the way for those of you who haven't been paying attention, here are a few nuggets for you to consider:

Navy 66, Virginia 58
Furman 80, Louisville 72
Oakland 56, Oklahoma State 55
Dartmouth 69, Georgetown 60
Northern Illinois 71, Washington 64
Princeton 66, S. Carolina 62
Hofstra 89, Arkansas 81

I guess if athletic directors listened to fans there would be a lot of great coaches available since they would have been fired immediately after those bad losses. 

It's one game people.  Without the likely Big East Player of the Year.  Against a Power 5 conference team, albeit a terrible one.

Your coach was the freakin' Big East Coach of the Year last year, people.  He recruited two of the best players in the conference and there are more of them in the house and on the way.  There are 8 new players on this roster to integrate, not all of them are doing so at the same pace, and that's just the way it is.  You came into the week ranked in the top 10 in the country in offense and it's obvious that the team is not ready to play the trademark Anderson pressure D yet because it hasn't been seen for more than a few minutes in one game.

Did the game suck?  Yes.  Did some players have bad games?  Yes.  Was it frustrating and annoying?  Hell yes.  Does it damage our tourney aspirations?  Yeah, some, but not in any meaningful way if - BIG IF - the team takes care of business in conference play.

We have 19 league games to play.  Let's see how it goes before we advance to defenstration.

Yeesh.

Ditto
can add some more   i know rutgers with a big win but they also lost to lafayette at home

and florida losing to texas southern at home


 

 

[paultzman]

I am not getting into this fire Mike nonsense, but do  wonder if Mike is wedded to the press no matter the constitution of the roster. It is good to get a team rattled and garner some easy baskets obviously, but I see too many transitional open three opportunities for opponents with our guys scrambling to recover.

It goes without saying that MA knows hoops more than I ever will, but sometimes the personnel just does not fit the press game and perhaps it is better to apply it situationally as one tool, not a constant. Trying to wear down teams is nice, but going too deep in roster with guys who have trouble with this approach. Just my two cents, but shortening rotation may also help.

 

[Eric]

I am not getting into this fire Mike nonsense, but do  wonder if Mike is wedded to the press no matter the constitution of the roster. It is good to get a team rattled and garner some easy baskets obviously, but I see too many transitional open three opportunities for opponents with our guys scrambling to recover.

It goes without saying that MA knows hoops more than I ever will, but sometimes the personnel just does not fit the press game and perhaps it is better to apply it situationally as one tool, not a constant. Trying to wear down teams is nice, but going too deep in roster with guys who have trouble with this approach. Just my two cents, but shortening rotation may also help.

agree there should be some ability to adapt if needed