As I'm watching today's game, I'm wondering if Gueye had been recruited by us rather than having wheeler or soriano, although Soriano did have some decent moments today. Except for Mathis, who had some success in a big program, the replacement transfers have been underwhelming. That said, the transfers out have largely underperformed in their new, lesser tiered schools.
Anderson - is he really the guy ?
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Of the 4 transfers out who I wished had stayed, Earlington, Dunn and Moore all seem to be having nice years at their new schools. Only Williams seems to be underperforming. Surprised by that as I thought Greg would have taken a nice step forward had he stayed.mm52 post=447621 said:
PharmDJohnnie11
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Again…. Not my problem. The school has plenty of resources to recoup the money but chooses not to use them because of their holier than though attitude.Beast of the East post=447571 said:
How can you be positive when the school and basketball program are a complete dumpster fire?
You and people who think like you are the main problem this school faces.
Booksnball
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I didn't go through the previous 27 pages of comments, just enough to think, "Here we go again." Only a few games into the season, lose at the buzzer without our TOP player in the lineup & the builders of the SJU Life Boat are drawing up their plans for a new coach. Come on folks, we've gone through almost 2 years of Covid19 CRAZINESS with a new coach navigating through this storm and the whispers of "the ship be sinking" can be heard lurking about.
I was at MSG today & saw a team that played extremely hard, had some really good periods of play & moments in the 2nd half where the basket had a lid on it and the Johnnies couldn't buy a basket. I thought the foul shooting attempts differential in favor of Pitt was a factor in determining the outcome more than the coaching. Also, how many of you think if we had the presence of our best player, the outcome of the game would have been completely different? Yeah, I thought so.
People seemed very supportive of our two top assistants in Van Macon & 'Shoes' and you should be. Both guys are rock solid, respected recruiters coast to coast. LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS & hope that a "normal" recruiting environment soon returns. The continuation of the Transfer Portal has been a negative as much as a bonus with uncertainty over should I go for the HS senior or the the guy with a few yrs of experience who May or may NOT be a plus to the important needed chemistry for a team with post season potential. LET coach Anderson & staff do their job & keep the life boat in dry dock. Ya think ?
I was at MSG today & saw a team that played extremely hard, had some really good periods of play & moments in the 2nd half where the basket had a lid on it and the Johnnies couldn't buy a basket. I thought the foul shooting attempts differential in favor of Pitt was a factor in determining the outcome more than the coaching. Also, how many of you think if we had the presence of our best player, the outcome of the game would have been completely different? Yeah, I thought so.
People seemed very supportive of our two top assistants in Van Macon & 'Shoes' and you should be. Both guys are rock solid, respected recruiters coast to coast. LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS & hope that a "normal" recruiting environment soon returns. The continuation of the Transfer Portal has been a negative as much as a bonus with uncertainty over should I go for the HS senior or the the guy with a few yrs of experience who May or may NOT be a plus to the important needed chemistry for a team with post season potential. LET coach Anderson & staff do their job & keep the life boat in dry dock. Ya think ?
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beast of the east
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How can you a pharmacy graduate and be so ignorant about university finances? I honestly cannot believe that you are a donor when we have a 4% donor rate, and no one in his right mind would support something he is so negative about, especially with an attitude of "the have plenty of money". I also don't know why you would bring your father to sit in the bleachers and then complain about the bleachers being uncomfortable.PharmDJohnnie11 post=447631 said:
The red White supports the uni. I know that people like you are critical of that, because, well, it's easier to sit at home throw pot shots than actually trying to help build a better university.
Basketball is just something we follow and cheer about. Yes, it helps with university branding, and winning is an important aspect of that. But really, to get so bent out of shape when we lose a game with our only bonafide NBA talent and by far our best offensive player out, is immature and symptomatic of a society that demands gratification because they deserve that.
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Bottom line, in order to be successful in college, you either need to be a great recruiter and get great talent or you need to be a great coach and maximize talent. Anderson is proving to be neither. The recruiting has been poor and the mass exodus after last season was alarming. Maybe DeMeo was right when he said, “Mr. Anderson lost control of the team and the players nearly revolted against him before the end of the season.” He’s in year 3 and, in my opinion, he has 3 legitimate Big East players on his roster (Champagnie, Posh & Mathis). Now, some are able to overcome lack of talent because they are great coaches. Honestly, that’s what I thought SJU was getting in Anderson. But after watching his teams for 2.5 years, I don’t see it. No half court offense. Defense continues to regress. Lack of toughness getting rebounds. Just overall bad basketball.
Given the recent extension, Anderson is going to be here awhile and I’ll continue to root for him. But my confidence in him making St. John’s a perennial Top 25 team is at an all time low. I just don’t see it.
Given the recent extension, Anderson is going to be here awhile and I’ll continue to root for him. But my confidence in him making St. John’s a perennial Top 25 team is at an all time low. I just don’t see it.
I have been all in on Coach Anderson.
However, at some point results will be the judge. We are in year 3 and so far results have not been there. What’s most disconcerting is the level of play. Thus far, our season has been marked by weak performances against inferior competition. Don’t let the record fool you. If this team was playing a better schedule we would be at or below .500. We can say that we have a bunch of new players but it is fair to point out we have a potential first round pick in Julian and a very good guard in Posh. I don’t want to write off the season but with our weaknesses I just don’t get a feeling that Big East play will be kind for us.
I want Anderson to succeed badly. I think he gets 5 years. However, with Julian leaving will next year be better? I mean expecting the incoming kid (Storr) to hit the ground running will be a tall order and not fair. By the end of next season we could be looking at the end of a season that looks a lot like this season. Floundering without a Tournament bid in sight. There are no clear answers. Even if they look to replace Anderson, why would anyone take this job. We are looking like a career killer.
However, at some point results will be the judge. We are in year 3 and so far results have not been there. What’s most disconcerting is the level of play. Thus far, our season has been marked by weak performances against inferior competition. Don’t let the record fool you. If this team was playing a better schedule we would be at or below .500. We can say that we have a bunch of new players but it is fair to point out we have a potential first round pick in Julian and a very good guard in Posh. I don’t want to write off the season but with our weaknesses I just don’t get a feeling that Big East play will be kind for us.
I want Anderson to succeed badly. I think he gets 5 years. However, with Julian leaving will next year be better? I mean expecting the incoming kid (Storr) to hit the ground running will be a tall order and not fair. By the end of next season we could be looking at the end of a season that looks a lot like this season. Floundering without a Tournament bid in sight. There are no clear answers. Even if they look to replace Anderson, why would anyone take this job. We are looking like a career killer.
Like others have said, Why we extended him is beyond me, It’s not like we made the sweet 16 last year. I’m not saying to get rid of Anderson. I don’t know of any high major program who extends their coach w zero tourney appearances. The extension ties us to him for a longer time.
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Panther had mentioned Speedy Claxton in a prior post while congratulating him on Hofstra’s win over the 24 th Ranked Arkansas at Arkansas. Speedy was a fun player to watch back in the day . If I remember correctly , he and Barkley played during the same time frame . I’m not advocating anything but , he might be a up and comer in the Coaching ranks . Along with King Rice at Monmouth and Shaheen Holloway at St Peters . After all , CMA is what ? 62 -63 ? Or , Close to it …
The thread from when Anderson was extended - way way back a few months ago - is still available to read. So I read it. The opinions ranged mostly from happiness to ecstasy, with a few wary comments. And all the transfers had already taken place by then.
Many say here that they use this place to vent, and the posts sure read that way. All emotion, no logic. And if that really does make people feel better, go for it. Whatever gets you through the night. But obviously SJU can’t run the athletic department that way. At least it’s obvious to me. The extension follows a logic that I can support. That is that spinning coaches every few years guarantees failure. The program needs stability. Relationships are part of recruiting. Relationships take time.
Is Anderson the guy? That will resolve itself over time. That time is not today, or even the end of this season.
Okay, sorry for the interruption. Carry on with the annual tradition of the airing of grievances.
Tis the season afterall.
Many say here that they use this place to vent, and the posts sure read that way. All emotion, no logic. And if that really does make people feel better, go for it. Whatever gets you through the night. But obviously SJU can’t run the athletic department that way. At least it’s obvious to me. The extension follows a logic that I can support. That is that spinning coaches every few years guarantees failure. The program needs stability. Relationships are part of recruiting. Relationships take time.
Is Anderson the guy? That will resolve itself over time. That time is not today, or even the end of this season.
Okay, sorry for the interruption. Carry on with the annual tradition of the airing of grievances.
Tis the season afterall.
After 3 years of watching every game, the answer to the titled question is no. MA is a one trick pony - 40 minutes of hell, except it's 40 minutes of hell watching this team. Fundamental basketball concepts are foreign to them and things haven't changed since MA has been here. MA also seems incapable of recruiting more talented players. Developing less talented players that match his system (not many other schools seem to think it's good enough to use) does not seem to be working as one would expect on a consistent basis. Don't believe there will be a happy ending this year or for however long MA coaches this team.
The state of this basketball program is truly depressing.
The state of this basketball program is truly depressing.
Good post IDRAFT. Just keep in mind that reasonable people, even while being emotional, can vent about the staff and also not call for their heads. They don't go hand in hand. I have always had my doubts about CMA, but liked what i saw the last 2 seasons which gave me hope. I'm back to having my doubts, not just because of this year, but because of what I see on the horizon, and other factors. As for recruiting, I have to disagree with you. For someone as experienced as CMA, recruiting good talent should not take 5 years minimum. And based on what we've seen so far, we're looking at year 5 before we see a possible real recruiting improvement. That is just way too long.IDRAFT post=447661 said:
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richard A Steinfeld post=447654 said:
It all depends on what's guaranteed. I have no knowledge but it's not unusual at all for the university to have a reasonable buyout at any point. To comment negatively on extension without this knowledge is wrong. Suffice to say, a guaranteed extension raises concerns
Ray Morgan
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The real question to ask is why is it so hard to recruit high level talent to St. John's? What can be done to make St. John's a more attractive destination? Why has every coach since Looie ended up at the announcer's table instead of the sidelines? Or the trash heap of coaching. Or the elephant in the room. Can a commuter school with a home arena and facilities that are on the lesser end of the conference compete for top level recruits on the square? Especially these days.
The past 25 years tells us that it may be more the school than the choice of coaches. Although some of the choices were certainly questionable. The transfer rules also are a major kick in the groin for a school like St. John's, who has to rely on coaching up 3 star recruits and maintaining continuity as a formula for success. Constantly re-loading is not the program's strength.
The past 25 years tells us that it may be more the school than the choice of coaches. Although some of the choices were certainly questionable. The transfer rules also are a major kick in the groin for a school like St. John's, who has to rely on coaching up 3 star recruits and maintaining continuity as a formula for success. Constantly re-loading is not the program's strength.
I can’t read this all but I’m sure there’s a ton of good posts. I had the benefit of missing the second half yesterday. Thank god.
I’ll just point out we basically had this exact same thread last season and we were in a worse spot then. Long way to go. Think it would be silly to call this season over or CMA done with before BE season even starts.
Who would have thought a brand new team looks a lot better on paper than it does on the court?
I’ll just point out we basically had this exact same thread last season and we were in a worse spot then. Long way to go. Think it would be silly to call this season over or CMA done with before BE season even starts.
Who would have thought a brand new team looks a lot better on paper than it does on the court?
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