Amar Has Returned

[Section9]

All this stuff about guys being fixated about who "coaches" or draws up plays during time outs as well as what Mullin wears or sits or if he seems disengaged is pretty funny stuff,

I suggest you reread the Newsday interview from a few weeks ago where he addressed the time out/coaching thing. If you still have an issue then it's on you.

But, then again, this is a message board, and particularly during off season we have to discuss something.

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

So, you don't think the staff is capable? God, if only Mullin hadn't worn those shoes and sat on the table.

recruiting I think they are more than capable. Not sure which one you could point to as being a proven x'o experienced guru. Slice ? Don't really recall him having a tremendous influence during games

I totally understand what Mullin is saying about Bird and the model Bird used but it's totally different when you have Harter and Carslisle on your bench and that is in no way meant as disrespect to our staff. Those are 2 very experienced nba guys that Bird deferred to

How much do you think they are going to be able to convey during a 90 or 30 second timeout? It's really interesting when the broadcast do an "in the huddle" during games, For the most part coaches are not drawing up plays but telling the players they need to do general concept things like tighten up on D, box out, move the ball, not rush shots etc. The plays are drawn up infrequently mostly in late half/game situations or with little time left on the shot clock. If the players don't know the plays from hours of practice they're probably not going to get them in a rushed in-game situation.

Now, i think it's time for you to have a lobster roll and a beer while I have a Dalmore 18. Slainte!

 

[we are sju]

All this stuff about guys being fixated about who "coaches" or draws up plays during time outs as well as what Mullin wears or sits or if he seems disengaged is pretty funny stuff,

I suggest you reread the Newsday interview from a few weeks ago where he addressed the time out/coaching thing. If you still have an issue then it's on you.

But, then again, this is a message board, and particularly during off season we have to discuss something.

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

So, you don't think the staff is capable? God, if only Mullin hadn't worn those shoes and sat on the table.

recruiting I think they are more than capable. Not sure which one you could point to as being a proven x'o experienced guru. Slice ? Don't really recall him having a tremendous influence during games

I totally understand what Mullin is saying about Bird and the model Bird used but it's totally different when you have Harter and Carslisle on your bench and that is in no way meant as disrespect to our staff. Those are 2 very experienced nba guys that Bird deferred to

How much do you think they are going to be able to convey during a 90 or 30 second timeout? It's really interesting when the broadcast do an "in the huddle" during games, For the most part coaches are not drawing up plays but telling the players they need to do general concept things like tighten up on D, box out, move the ball, not rush shots etc. The plays are drawn up infrequently mostly in late half/game situations or with little time left on the shot clock. If the players don't know the plays from hours of practice they're probably not going to get them in a rushed in-game situation.

Now, i think it's time for you to have a lobster roll and a beer while I have a Dalmore 18. Slainte!

Then why is a coach there at all?

 

[L J S A]

Was Slice responsible for Ponds, Ellison, LoVett, or Yakwe? I think Sima played here too for at least a year, right?

I love Slice's rep and want him to be successful here, but if we really do focus on juco, transfers, and Europe, is it worth it for a school like St. John's to pay $500,000+ for him when they could maybe get Rasheen Davis for $300,000+?

Also, I'm still not convinced St. Jean is here for the long haul. I think it may be a really highly paid internship for the son of a dear friend, and he'll eventually look for another NBA job.

 

[we are sju]

Was Slice responsible for Ponds, Ellison, LoVett, or Yakwe? I think Sima played here too for at least a year, right?

I love Slice's rep and want him to be successful here, but if we really do focus on juco, transfers, and Europe, is it worth it for a school like St. John's to pay $500,000+ for him when they could maybe get Rasheen Davis for $300,000+?

Also, I'm still not convinced St. Jean is here for the long haul. I think it may be a really highly paid internship for the son of a dear friend, and he'll eventually look for another NBA job.

Then who will run the huddles? Players will sub in and out for themselves, it will be anarchy!

 

[otis]

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=220261

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?[/quote]

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.

 

[we are sju]

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=220261

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.[/quote]



How could you possibly quantify that?
No one was winning more than a game or two more with that team. No one is arguing that.

 

[Class of 72]

Count me among the seeming small number of posters on Redmen.com that believes that Mullin & company did solid job last season with assembling the then best available left overs and mixing them with the 3 left overs from Lavin.

The only issue I have on the recruiting front so far is that I would have thought that Slice would have made more headway by now in reeling in some big fish. After all, that is what he was brought here to do. Hopefully he will in the near future.

Truthfully going forward I have two fears
1. Will our staff improve, and not criticizing, but just hoping they do. Must be a much greater commitment to defense.
2. Slice's role going forward. If we are really going to play the junior college, European and transfer game as we have done to date, and I am not saying we should not continue that route going forward, it really minimizes or does not play to his strengths, but rather those of Matt.

Have to disagree with you North. Lovett, Ponds, Yawke, Ellison all played ball in this country. All the staff need to identify recruits and go after them. We need to quit thinking that each coach only recruits a certain kind of kid. Ahmed is a JUCO transfer who was pursued by a lot of schools. The two transfers should help us the following year.
Personally, I am very happy with our present situation. We have at least ten kids in our program who were recruited by other high major programs. As far as coaching, let's be realistic, The Wizard himself could not have won with last year's team. I expect to see improvement since both coaches and players have had time to grow and mature.

Since this thread has veered off course to the staff competence issue, I'll chime in here to say North has, as I do, legitimate questions and next season will more surely answer question #1. Regardless of talent, last year our team played little cohesive defense and I doubt any type of zone defense was practiced which hurt tremendously since individually our kids were terrible one on one against most opposing players. There is little defensive coaching in the NBA as most players are offensive stars and fans don't focus on how well Golden State or San Antonio are playing defense. They come to see players score 30 or 40 points. Our staff really looked clueless with defensive sets.
North also is pretty much on target with Barry. That high level salary "must" pay dividends down the road with top 50 talent because unless the coaching catches up to the talent Mullin, Mitch and Greg will not beat the Jimmy B's or Jay Wrights of the basketball world. With Kentucky level recruits this staff would be perfect because of their NBA focus and experience but it is a legitimate concern about player development when your players are 3 and 4 star talent. At Villanova and under Jay that would be great development material. It remains to be seen if we can replicate that at St. John's. Everyone here needs to remain positive that we can and next season will be a good indicator. As others have correctly stated here, the presence of Lovett and Ponds will radically change our offensive capacity and provide players like Amhed and Yakwe many different scoring options. Not having slow-footed Durand Johnson and Mvouika and fast-footed but low scoring Felix Balamou will be a huge advantage for both the coaches and players. They are the epitomy of addition by subtraction. As for Amar, he's going to be a good 9th or 10th man. Maybe one of the best in the Big East. B)

 

[mjmaherjr]

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=220261

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.[/quote]




Happy Hour start early ?


Let me ask you a question. If you are a judge in a murder trial. The high paid defense attorney sits on the defense table and makes no legal arguments in the trial when things were already stacked against his clientl. He leaves the arguing to his NYU law school grad. They lose the trial. How much of the loss is attributable to him ?

 

[mjmaherjr]

I guess this off season we'll have "stuff" to talk about.

losing Taser took a jolt of energy out of topics to talk about

Paul, he's doing it again. Don't you find these post reVOLTing, the whole circuit board is hAMPEREd by WATTever he writes.

great job with that one

 

[mjmaherjr]

All this stuff about guys being fixated about who "coaches" or draws up plays during time outs as well as what Mullin wears or sits or if he seems disengaged is pretty funny stuff,

I suggest you reread the Newsday interview from a few weeks ago where he addressed the time out/coaching thing. If you still have an issue then it's on you.

But, then again, this is a message board, and particularly during off season we have to discuss something.

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

So, you don't think the staff is capable? God, if only Mullin hadn't worn those shoes and sat on the table.

recruiting I think they are more than capable. Not sure which one you could point to as being a proven x'o experienced guru. Slice ? Don't really recall him having a tremendous influence during games

I totally understand what Mullin is saying about Bird and the model Bird used but it's totally different when you have Harter and Carslisle on your bench and that is in no way meant as disrespect to our staff. Those are 2 very experienced nba guys that Bird deferred to

How much do you think they are going to be able to convey during a 90 or 30 second timeout? It's really interesting when the broadcast do an "in the huddle" during games, For the most part coaches are not drawing up plays but telling the players they need to do general concept things like tighten up on D, box out, move the ball, not rush shots etc. The plays are drawn up infrequently mostly in late half/game situations or with little time left on the shot clock. If the players don't know the plays from hours of practice they're probably not going to get them in a rushed in-game situation.

Now, i think it's time for you to have a lobster roll and a beer while I have a Dalmore 18. Slainte!

Too cold today for a lobster roll but will take the beer advice in a few minutes when we head down to the village for dinner L)

 

[austour]

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=220261

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.

Happy Hour start early ?


Let me ask you a question. If you are a judge in a murder trial. The high paid defense attprney sits on the defense table and makes no legal arguments in the tria when things were already stacked against his clientl. He leaves the arguing to his NYU law school grad. They lose the trial. How much of the loss is attributable to him ?[/quote]

Hey kid, get off his lawn.

 

[Section9]

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=220261

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.

Happy Hour start early ?


Let me ask you a question. If you are a judge in a murder trial. The high paid defense attprney sits on the defense table and makes no legal arguments in the tria when things were already stacked against his clientl. He leaves the arguing to his NYU law school grad. They lose the trial. How much of the loss is attributable to him ?[/quote]

To paraphrase the great Allen Iverson, "It's basketball, it's basketball, it ain't a murder trial"

Enjoy your beer, but you really should try a good single malt.

 

[mjmaherjr]

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=220261

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.

Happy Hour start early ?


Let me ask you a question. If you are a judge in a murder trial. The high paid defense attprney sits on the defense table and makes no legal arguments in the tria when things were already stacked against his clientl. He leaves the arguing to his NYU law school grad. They lose the trial. How much of the loss is attributable to him ?

To paraphrase the great Allen Iverson, "It's basketball, it's basketball, it ain't a murder trial"

Enjoy your beer, but you really should try a good single malt. [/quote]


Some day I will. Wine I will try anything and now beer anything craft I will try but other than that I don't try to much other than pisco sours which is preuvian. Tonight had few from Montauk,Sand City and that barrier place in oceanside. All excellent with the 3 pounds of freaking food I ate

 

[Class of 72]

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=220261

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.

Happy Hour start early ?


Let me ask you a question. If you are a judge in a murder trial. The high paid defense attprney sits on the defense table and makes no legal arguments in the tria when things were already stacked against his clientl. He leaves the arguing to his NYU law school grad. They lose the trial. How much of the loss is attributable to him ?

To paraphrase the great Allen Iverson, "It's basketball, it's basketball, it ain't a murder trial"

Enjoy your beer, but you really should try a good single malt.

Some day I will. Wine I will try anything and now beer anything craft I will try but other than that I don't try to much other than pisco sours which is preuvian. Tonight had few from Montauk,Sand City and that barrier place in oceanside. All excellent with the 3 pounds of freaking food I ate [/quote]

Mike, Having a few beers and posting on redmen.com is risky business!

http://gizmodo.com/warning-dont-drink-and-internet-508240224

 

[logen]

[quote="mjmaherjr" post=220261

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.[/quote]

There is nothing substantive in all the staff criticism other than an "expansion" team roster thrown together at the very last moment with no off-season practice didn't play cohesively, especially on the defensive end. Never mind the lack of on the ball quickness, lack of interior bulk and strength, and that these players had never played together one minute previously; obviously 90% of the board could have coached rings around this amateur staff. I mean, how could Mullin not have conjured up memories of Auerbach and Wooden with the talent he had to work with and the time he had to work with them? Not to mention that Rohressen should have recruited a Kentucky like roster already, the man is just stealing money!! Disgraceful,,,
At the risk of just being arrogant, again, REALLY?? This staff doesn't even get a YEAR to prove themselves, ONE off-season to upgrade the roster, work with a the players and mold a team?? For all the HOF arm chair coaches out there look up how long it took K and Jay Wright, two pretty good coaches, to turn around programs in infinetly better shape when they took over than SJU was. Not to mention that, oh, maybe Mullin, for all his BB credentials, realistically, has a learning curve to get comfortable doing something he has NEVER done before. I have NO IDEA if this staff will be successful but I do know the turning over of the talent on the roster is almost unprecedented at this level and that is where it all starts. And I am sure as hell willing to give Chris Mullin the same amount of time I gave Norm Roberts and Steve Lavin to see if he and co. can turn this around before I start criticizing.

 

[beast of the east]

All i know is that whoever drew up the play to go to Sima at the end of the Seton Hall game should be shot. I hope Mullin wasnt in the huddle for that one.

 

[fuchsia]

I apologize in advance for getting back on topic but I have been thinking about the possibility (since before he decided to transfer) of Amar as bulked up and playing the high post in those situations where Ponds, Lovett, Yakwe, and Ahmed can run the other team off the floor but Sima down low would just clog the middle. One option next year for a much more flexible offense and Amar with muscles has already demonstrated the heart to box out.

 

[Section9]

All i know is that whoever drew up the play to go to Sima at the end of the Seton Hall game should be shot. I hope Mullin wasnt in the huddle for that one.

I thought you sat behind the bench at MSG.

 

[austour]

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.

There is nothing substantive in all the staff criticism other than an "expansion" team roster thrown together at the very last moment with no off-season practice didn't play cohesively, especially on the defensive end. Never mind the lack of on the ball quickness, lack of interior bulk and strength, and that these players had never played together one minute previously; obviously 90% of the board could have coached rings around this amateur staff. I mean, how could Mullin not have conjured up memories of Auerbach and Wooden with the talent he had to work with and the time he had to work with them? Not to mention that Rohressen should have recruited a Kentucky like roster already, the man is just stealing money!! Disgraceful,,,
At the risk of just being arrogant, again, REALLY?? This staff doesn't even get a YEAR to prove themselves, ONE off-season to upgrade the roster, work with a the players and mold a team?? For all the HOF arm chair coaches out there look up how long it took K and Jay Wright, two pretty good coaches, to turn around programs in infinetly better shape when they took over than SJU was. Not to mention that, oh, maybe Mullin, for all his BB credentials, realistically, has a learning curve to get comfortable doing something he has NEVER done before. I have NO IDEA if this staff will be successful but I do know the turning over of the talent on the roster is almost unprecedented at this level and that is where it all starts. And I am sure as hell willing to give Chris Mullin the same amount of time I gave Norm Roberts and Steve Lavin to see if he and co. can turn this around before I start criticizing.

See some folks are giving them time to prove they might be as good as they expected, the same group who thinks that the hire of Mullin combined with a staff devoid of coaching experience was a good idea.

Others are giving the staff time to prove they're not as bad as should be expected given the hire of Mullin combined with a staff devoid of coaching experience which seemed like a not so good idea.

I agree that they deserve more time, whichever side of the fence your're sitting on but it doesn't mean they should be free from any constructive criticism.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[monte]

Granted I haven't paid attention too much lately but did we hire Dick Harter or Rick Carslisle on the bench ?

Hey MJ,

Rather than merely repeating your observations regarding where Mullin may sit, how he dresses, and who speaks during timeouts, please provide some substantive comment regarding how your observations hurt the performance of last years team. Thanks.

There is nothing substantive in all the staff criticism other than an "expansion" team roster thrown together at the very last moment with no off-season practice didn't play cohesively, especially on the defensive end. Never mind the lack of on the ball quickness, lack of interior bulk and strength, and that these players had never played together one minute previously; obviously 90% of the board could have coached rings around this amateur staff. I mean, how could Mullin not have conjured up memories of Auerbach and Wooden with the talent he had to work with and the time he had to work with them? Not to mention that Rohressen should have recruited a Kentucky like roster already, the man is just stealing money!! Disgraceful,,,
At the risk of just being arrogant, again, REALLY?? This staff doesn't even get a YEAR to prove themselves, ONE off-season to upgrade the roster, work with a the players and mold a team?? For all the HOF arm chair coaches out there look up how long it took K and Jay Wright, two pretty good coaches, to turn around programs in infinetly better shape when they took over than SJU was. Not to mention that, oh, maybe Mullin, for all his BB credentials, realistically, has a learning curve to get comfortable doing something he has NEVER done before. I have NO IDEA if this staff will be successful but I do know the turning over of the talent on the roster is almost unprecedented at this level and that is where it all starts. And I am sure as hell willing to give Chris Mullin the same amount of time I gave Norm Roberts and Steve Lavin to see if he and co. can turn this around before I start criticizing.

See some folks are giving them time to prove they might be as good as they expected, the same group who thinks that the hire of Mullin combined with a staff devoid of coaching experience was a good idea.

Others are giving the staff time to prove they're not as bad as should be expected given the hire of Mullin combined with a staff devoid of coaching experience which seemed like a not so good idea.

I agree that they deserve more time, whichever side of the fence your're sitting on but it doesn't mean they should be free from any constructive criticism.

Different strokes for different folks.

Way to early to pass judgment, never to early to critique....even Chris Mullin. It comes with the territory.