No Kevin Loughery on your 60's team?
A likely omission on my part. but, my recollection of Kevin was that he transferred in from BC and, maybe played 2 years in the early 60's? Does that sound right?
I also have the thought that Kevin was a better pro than Collegian and, then did some NBA coaching.
He did play with Tony Jackson and LeRoy Ellis, with Coach Lapchick.
Im 29, hope im not forgetting anyone....
G- Hatten
G- Hardy
G- Bootsy
F- Artest
F- Harkless
Bench- Kennedy, Postell, Glover, Barkley
Question for those who saw him. Was Alagia really good. I saw a couple of games on tv back in the 70's but I was not yet a big college ball fan. Reggie Carter was really the first of our point guard that I admired. Around the time that he transferred in, I became a big SJU fan. Unfortunately back then you didn't get that many games on tv and I didn't attend any games until I became a student there (very few even then).
Frank was a crafty, undersized PG with a very competitive nature. He was also well schooled by Coach Frank Morris at St. Agnes of Rockville Centre.
"The best of the little men ever to play at St. John's, Frank Alagia played from 1972-76, and was Frank Mulzoff and Lou Carnesecca's floor leader. He finished his illustrious St. John's career with 478 assists, which was the most in school history until Mark Jackson (738) and Jason Buchanan (665) surpassed that mark. In addition, Alagia was one of only two players to win the Francis Pomeroy Naismith Award as the National Player of the Year for players 6-0 and under. Alagia led four St. John's teams to a combined 83-30 record and successful postseason accomplishments. In 1974-75, the team lost the consolation game of the NIT Final Four to Oregon in overtime, 80-76. In 1975-76, the team made it to the ECAC Championship before losing a thriller to Rutgers, 70-67, and was then ousted by Indiana in the NCAA Tournament."
I started SJU in 58 so most of my picks have not been seen by many.
Seiden
Mullin
Tony Jackson
Leroy Ellis
Sealy
The stats of Seiden, Jackson and Ellis are not as impressive as some of the more recent players because freshmen were ineligible and colleges played much fewer games. This group played approx. 75 games.
One telling stat is Jackson averaged over 15 rebounds a game in his first year and Ellis averaged 16 as a senior.
I would construct my team by choosing players based on their best season. Mullin, Mark Jackson, Billy Schaeffer and Boo Harvey had phenomenal senior seasons. I'm happy with either Boo or Mark at the point. Mullin is the SG, and Schaeffer at small forward. I would play Sonny Dove over Mel Davis at PF, with Sonny's passing ability giving him the edge. Billy Paultz at center works for me. Perhaps the 2 greatest shooters we ever had starting the game, and one of the two best rebounders off the bench. All smart players, and all clutch players. Shooting and smarts. How refreshing.
Ray, glad you concur about Sonny Dove.. Many posters here, likely never saw Sonny play and that's too bad. Freshman could not play Varsity in those days, so Sonny was a sopf in 1965, NIT Champions and Coach Lapchick's last season.
I think Sonny was a ALL AMERICAN, his senior year and like the 4th player chosen in the NBA draft that senior year. Detroit Pistons maybe? He didn't have the long term success in the pros but, was hampered by drug problems and unfortunately lost his life in a Auto Accident on the Gowanus Bridge, driving a taxi.
He was tall, 6'8" but, maybe 195 lbs. He had a nice , well rounded game. Played at St Francis Prep..
He also was the SJU radio announcer at the time of his death. Went to the ABA for a few seasons, and averaged 14 pts for the Nets. He died at just 37 years of age.
This was the game - ranked 8th greatest moment at the Garden. Ahhh the good old days when we were the Redmen and actually won games we werent suppose to winI would construct my team by choosing players based on their best season. Mullin, Mark Jackson, Billy Schaeffer and Boo Harvey had phenomenal senior seasons. I'm happy with either Boo or Mark at the point. Mullin is the SG, and Schaeffer at small forward. I would play Sonny Dove over Mel Davis at PF, with Sonny's passing ability giving him the edge. Billy Paultz at center works for me. Perhaps the 2 greatest shooters we ever had starting the game, and one of the two best rebounders off the bench. All smart players, and all clutch players. Shooting and smarts. How refreshing.
Ray, glad you concur about Sonny Dove.. Many posters here, likely never saw Sonny play and that's too bad. Freshman could not play Varsity in those days, so Sonny was a sopf in 1965, NIT Champions and Coach Lapchick's last season.
I think Sonny was a ALL AMERICAN, his senior year and like the 4th player chosen in the NBA draft that senior year. Detroit Pistons maybe? He didn't have the long term success in the pros but, was hampered by drug problems and unfortunately lost his life in a Auto Accident on the Gowanus Bridge, driving a taxi.
He was tall, 6'8" but, maybe 195 lbs. He had a nice , well rounded game. Played at St Francis Prep..
He also was the SJU radio announcer at the time of his death. Went to the ABA for a few seasons, and averaged 14 pts for the Nets. He died at just 37 years of age.
Right Sonny Dove was a big name at st johns and was a great player. Dont forget they played more of a control game then and the scores were lower. I think Sonny was a senior when I first started at st johns. He played with the McIntyre brothers. Does anyone remember who defended Cassie Russel at the Garden and essentially shut him down? Wasnt that in the NIT or some other tournatment?
I have been a fan since the late 70's and graduated in '85.
Here's my team:
Starters:
G Mark Jackson
G Chris Mullin
F Ron Artest
F Malik Sealy
C Walter Berry
I have been a fan since the late 70's and graduated in '85.
Here's my team:
Starters:
G Mark Jackson
G Chris Mullin
F Ron Artest
F Malik Sealy
C Walter Berry
This seems to be the most popular group of 5 in this thread. My 5 favs for sure!
Im 29, hope im not forgetting anyone....
G- Hatten
G- Hardy
G- Bootsy
F- Artest
F- Harkless
Bench- Kennedy, Postell, Glover, Barkley
Helluva backcourt you have there. Not sure there are enough basketballs to go around for your team, though. And you don't have enough size up front.
You forgot Tyrone Grant.
FUZZY LEVANE,HY GOTKIN,WAYNE MCKOY,BILLY THE WHOPPER PAULTZ,JOHN WARREN,BOB ZAWOLUK,ROBERT BARKER
FUZZY LEVANE,HY GOTKIN,WAYNE MCKOY,BILLY THE WHOPPER PAULTZ,JOHN WARREN,BOB ZAWOLUK,ROBERT BARKER
Wait a second... how long have you been watching SJU bball? And is that you on the list? Please explain? Thanks!
FUZZY LEVANE,HY GOTKIN,WAYNE MCKOY,BILLY THE WHOPPER PAULTZ,JOHN WARREN,BOB ZAWOLUK,ROBERT BARKER
Wait a second... how long have you been watching SJU bball? And is that you on the list? Please explain? Thanks!
He's definitely been watching since before lower case letters were invented.
I have been a fan since the late 70's and graduated in '85.
Here's my team:
Starters:
G Mark Jackson
G Chris Mullin
F Ron Artest
F Malik Sealy
C Walter Berry
Ditto, that was my team too. Imagine them all playing together.
This seems to be the most popular group of 5 in this thread. My 5 favs for sure!