All Time Starting 5
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beast of the east
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How can it? When the posters follow the instructions on the initial post in the thread. IT said to only list players you have seen.
SJU, obekpa over Moe?
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Very easy to overlook some gems:
Walter Berry - F
George Johnson - F
Jayson WIlliams - C
Chris Mullin SG
Mark Jackson - PG
Bench:
Ron Artest - F - better all around than Berry or Johnson, but Berry is a better scorer, and Johnson a strong rebounder
Frank Alagia - PG - so overlooked in our history.
David Russell - F - soft jumper, could fly, something special out on the break
Glen Williams - SG - solid scorer, feathery shooter
Bill Wennington - C - there's a reason that team go to the final four. Our best collection of players. Riding the pines for multiple Bulls championships says enough.
Malik Sealy - F not much more to say - he could play.
Reggie Carter - PG - A steady hand at PG, could score, and play defense.
Walter Berry - F
George Johnson - F
Jayson WIlliams - C
Chris Mullin SG
Mark Jackson - PG
Bench:
Ron Artest - F - better all around than Berry or Johnson, but Berry is a better scorer, and Johnson a strong rebounder
Frank Alagia - PG - so overlooked in our history.
David Russell - F - soft jumper, could fly, something special out on the break
Glen Williams - SG - solid scorer, feathery shooter
Bill Wennington - C - there's a reason that team go to the final four. Our best collection of players. Riding the pines for multiple Bulls championships says enough.
Malik Sealy - F not much more to say - he could play.
Reggie Carter - PG - A steady hand at PG, could score, and play defense.
I loved Felipe but I always felt like he was on the wrong team. Wrong coaches and wrong supporting cast. A lot like our current squad, the offensive strategy was totally wrong for his game and if we had some quality shooters his game would have been a lot stronger. Instead he mostly played in stagnant halfcourt sets with a slow down point guard where the d got packed in or Felipe was double teamed and forced into the role of a jumpshooter instead of the full court gazelle he was meant to be. He also had a ridiculous level of scrutiny to deal with and got hammered mercilessly as a bust even though he put up good numbers.
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I remember speaking to a Catholic high school coach who coached against Lopez and saw him play many times. Before he stepped foot on the court at St. John's, this guy told me that Lopez was in no way the best high school player in the country, and not even in the city. He basically outlined all of the flaws that prevented Lopez from becoming the superstar we thought we were getting. He did say he was an incredibly quick jumper, who could go up a second time after going up for a rebound, or driving to the hoop, faster than anyone he saw. But in terms of being a prolific scorer, a great outside shooter, an unstoppable force to the basket, he simply wasn't ever going to be that. So while he was plenty good - enough to get drafted and hang on an NBA roster for 4-5 years - he just wasn't the tremendous impact player that was going to lift us into the top 10 or shudder at the thought, a national championship.
westchesterjoe
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Probably a team by decade would do more justice to some of the greats that have worn the red and white..Many posters here, due to their younger ages, might not realize how rich and gloried this program once was. We had risen to a high of having the 4th winningest program in NCAA history. Maybe Louie would do credit to naming his decades teams.
We've fallen badly in the last 15 years and it's a darn shame. I, personally believe Harrington, a inept leader with little recognition of the BB brand has to receive responsibility for much of the team and school's decline..
Current dissatisfaction with the Lavin era teams is made more disappointing for those of us who have seen the better days and there were many. A bad season was a NIT bid.
For many of us the standard was 20 wins nearly every year, pretty much without fail.
So, when us old timers vent about the current Program, understand where we are coming from.
We've fallen badly in the last 15 years and it's a darn shame. I, personally believe Harrington, a inept leader with little recognition of the BB brand has to receive responsibility for much of the team and school's decline..
Current dissatisfaction with the Lavin era teams is made more disappointing for those of us who have seen the better days and there were many. A bad season was a NIT bid.
For many of us the standard was 20 wins nearly every year, pretty much without fail.
So, when us old timers vent about the current Program, understand where we are coming from.
70s
G: Frank Alagia
G: Billy Schaeffer
C: George Johnson
F: Mel Davis
F: Glen Williams
6: Reggie Carter
80s
G: Mark Jackson
G: Chris Mullin
C: Wennington
F: Walter Berry
F: Jayson Williams
6: Billy Goodwin
90s
G: Erick Barkley
G: Felipe
C: Rob Werdann
F: Malik Sealy
F: Ron Artest
6: Boo
00s
(I don't care)
L J S A
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Well, Iverson was definitely better, but he was excluded from most rankings. And Felipe was the best player in the McDonald's game that year. And for all his flaws, I can't think of more than one CHSAA player that year who I would say was better than him. Reid definitely had more basketball skills as opposed to physical gifts, but in the end Lopez was state champ. I guess you could argue Shammgod Wells, but he got knocked out in the CHSAA semifinals. PSAL, you could definitely say Marbury had more talent. But he didn't even make the fed that year. I can't remember who else would have been around at that time.
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Billy Goodwin would be on my team - nice job to remember him. I loved him as a player, and had him on my bench, but forgot about him as I wrote it.
I also liked Bernard Rencher a lot. And Boo Harvey.
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I had Artest on the bench but said ALL-AROUND was better than Berry, meaning Artest was the equivalent of a 5 tool player in baseball. He could do it all - pass, rebound, shoot, handle the ball, play defense. Berry was a dominant scorer and starts over Artest, despite not being the defender Artest was.
Some random thoughts on the above posts:
Ron Artest was a fantastic college player (and a darn good pro), but Walter Berry was The Truth. If you're going to put them at the same position, then Berry is your starter.
If your timeline starts in the 80s (as mine does), and if you're putting Berry at PF, then Jayson Williams is probably your only option at center. I can see honorable mention for Wennington or maybe even Shawnelle Scott, though my second choice would be Ty Grant. Beyond that we have had some really disappointing centers (Werdann, in my book), guys with huge hearts but no size (Glover, Minlend), and Zendon Hamilton.
I have to believe that the people who are picking Erick Barkley as their PG did not see Boo Harvey play. Personally I'd take him over Mark Jackson and anyone else you put up there.
I hated to leave Hatten off of my squad, but it ended up happening for the same reason he didn't make it in the NBA. You can't put him at PG because he was a scorer first, and you can't put him at SG because he needed the ball in his hands. He was a one-man team, and at this point it's hard to figure how he would fit in if he didn't have to do it all himself.
I found SG the toughest spot to fill after Mullin. There are a lot of options, but most did not produce for extended periods. Bootsy, Hatten and Hardy were all Jucos. Felipe Lopez has to get consideration, though he wasn't the best shooter. Showtime would have been a strong candidate if not for injury.
Ron Artest was a fantastic college player (and a darn good pro), but Walter Berry was The Truth. If you're going to put them at the same position, then Berry is your starter.
If your timeline starts in the 80s (as mine does), and if you're putting Berry at PF, then Jayson Williams is probably your only option at center. I can see honorable mention for Wennington or maybe even Shawnelle Scott, though my second choice would be Ty Grant. Beyond that we have had some really disappointing centers (Werdann, in my book), guys with huge hearts but no size (Glover, Minlend), and Zendon Hamilton.
I have to believe that the people who are picking Erick Barkley as their PG did not see Boo Harvey play. Personally I'd take him over Mark Jackson and anyone else you put up there.
I hated to leave Hatten off of my squad, but it ended up happening for the same reason he didn't make it in the NBA. You can't put him at PG because he was a scorer first, and you can't put him at SG because he needed the ball in his hands. He was a one-man team, and at this point it's hard to figure how he would fit in if he didn't have to do it all himself.
I found SG the toughest spot to fill after Mullin. There are a lot of options, but most did not produce for extended periods. Bootsy, Hatten and Hardy were all Jucos. Felipe Lopez has to get consideration, though he wasn't the best shooter. Showtime would have been a strong candidate if not for injury.
westchesterjoe
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60's:
Sonny Dove
Leroy Ellis
Tony Jackson
Bob McIntyre
Ken McINTYRE