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Blah, blah, blah. Excellence, schmeculence. There is very little excellence if any in college hoops so I'm not sure why you were ever watching in the first place. It's a bunch of kids playing a game that you either love or you don't, sometimes for a school that you either love or you don't. Falling back on some stupid cliche doesn't change that.
 
Blah, blah, blah. Excellence, schmeculence. There is very little excellence if any in college hoops so I'm not sure why you were ever watching in the first place. It's a bunch of kids playing a game that you either love or you don't, sometimes for a school that you either love or you don't. Falling back on some stupid cliche doesn't change that.

You are on the money Aussie! It is just a "game" and if you are a basketball junkie like many here, the name of the conference and the color of the unis will not matter. As for the lack of excellence, no college sport is "less excellent" than college football. Take away the 4 major conferences and the other couple of hundred colleges, at all levels, are just pissing money down the drain. That 80 scholarships get wasted at mid-major schools playing in front of 8,000 fans outside of BCS is incredible. Football is just a sport too but the costs to support it dwarf that of college basketball.
 
i get it. having one team at number eight is the same as the conference with the number one team...two in the top four...three in the top ten and five in the top 20.

you just made lenhart and my point.

I didn't realize your point was that the Big Smoke would be a stronger basketball conference than the Pac 12, SEC, Big 12, A 10, Big East, and anyone else not named Big 10 and ACC. For so long I thought we didn't agree. Good to see that we do.

If you want to pine away for something that had absolutely no chance of existing once the conference landscape started it's changes 15 years ago, a dominating sports conference that had had both football programs and non football programs, well that's your problem. Anyone who understands how this has all worked and where it was headed from the start will need to be satisfied with playing in the best non football playing hoops conference that the AD's and coaches can put together. Like I said to you earlier, once the football schools walk away from the non football schools entirely then you can probably even get your national hoops mega conference, albeit with no meaningful national championship tourney.

it is what it is. deja vu. the same people who love norman's mediocrity will love the big smoke. people like me will (have) lost their enthusiasm for college sports...at least i have the baseball and football giants to root for along with other pro sports here in nyc where at least they're trying even if the product sometimes sucks.

SO if you're team is not in the best conference in the country then there's no point? Says far more about you than about the new conference dude. Shame now that you've got so much time on your hands you'll have nothing to do from January through March. Would have been real nice if you were a Duke fan I guess.

what it says about me, yankcranker, is i get enthusiastic about excellence...and bored with mediocrity.

You are a SF Giants fan. Before your recent 2 out of 3 WS, your last one was 1954. How did you handle the boredom for all that time? You could have just rooted for the Yankees.

And aren't you also NY Rangers fan? From 1940 to 1994 no Stanley Cups. Now you have 1 cup in 72 years. You must have a really fun social life to keep from having boredom set in.

Isn't sports the one place where we keep our allegiances through all the dark times? SJU may never win a title in my lifetime, but I won't be bored watching and hoping.
 
i get it. having one team at number eight is the same as the conference with the number one team...two in the top four...three in the top ten and five in the top 20.

you just made lenhart and my point.

I didn't realize your point was that the Big Smoke would be a stronger basketball conference than the Pac 12, SEC, Big 12, A 10, Big East, and anyone else not named Big 10 and ACC. For so long I thought we didn't agree. Good to see that we do.

If you want to pine away for something that had absolutely no chance of existing once the conference landscape started it's changes 15 years ago, a dominating sports conference that had had both football programs and non football programs, well that's your problem. Anyone who understands how this has all worked and where it was headed from the start will need to be satisfied with playing in the best non football playing hoops conference that the AD's and coaches can put together. Like I said to you earlier, once the football schools walk away from the non football schools entirely then you can probably even get your national hoops mega conference, albeit with no meaningful national championship tourney.

it is what it is. deja vu. the same people who love norman's mediocrity will love the big smoke. people like me will (have) lost their enthusiasm for college sports...at least i have the baseball and football giants to root for along with other pro sports here in nyc where at least they're trying even if the product sometimes sucks.

SO if you're team is not in the best conference in the country then there's no point? Says far more about you than about the new conference dude. Shame now that you've got so much time on your hands you'll have nothing to do from January through March. Would have been real nice if you were a Duke fan I guess.

what it says about me, yankcranker, is i get enthusiastic about excellence...and bored with mediocrity.

You are a SF Giants fan. Before your recent 2 out of 3 WS, your last one was 1954. How did you handle the boredom for all that time? You could have just rooted for the Yankees.

And aren't you also NY Rangers fan? From 1940 to 1994 no Stanley Cups. Now you have 1 cup in 72 years. You must have a really fun social life to keep from having boredom set in.

Isn't sports the one place where we keep our allegiances through all the dark times? SJU may never win a title in my lifetime, but I won't be bored watching and hoping.

Don't start peppering him with logic. Sometimes Newsie's nuts just get a little crusty and acts like a RIchard for a little while. Either that or he never really liked St Johns very much but apparently no other BE team would have him.
 
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-74601068/



By Brian Hamilton, Tribune reporter
4:00 pm, February 27, 2013
The so-called Catholic 7 basketball schools departing the Big East may have their separation agreement with the football schools in place by the league's men's basketball tournament in two weeks.

And the idea of revving up their new league for the 2013-14 season is not entirely out of question.

It may require an overflow of optimism to believe both of those possible -- especially the part about kickstarting the new venture in a matter of months -- but the athletic directors at DePaul and Marquette are comfortable enough to think positive.

"I'm hoping in a couple weeks we'll have that (separation) piece done," DePaul athletic director Jean Lenti Ponsetto told the Tribune. "And then once that piece gets done, the next step is to determine the (start) date, and that would be part of the negotiation of whether it's 2014, or if it's 2015 or if there's a possibility if it could be 2013."

Of the separation agreement, Ponsetto noted that was more her hope than any firm timetable provided her. But Marquette athletic director Larry Williams characterized her view as a little more than idle chatter.

"It's a fairly educated optimism," Williams told the Tribune.

Marquette, St. John's, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Providence, Villanova and DePaul had agreed to separate from the Big East and form the new league.

The football schools recently finalizing a media rights deal with ESPN more or less allowed attention to be spent on negotiating the circumstances under which the basketball schools would move on. Separation is the first step, after which comes establishing the start date and adding new schools to the new league.

Ponsetto has told her coaches to plan as if DePaul will be in the Big East one more year, but neither she nor Williams outright rejected the notion of beginning in 2013-14.

"Every school is committed to making it happen, whether that's on a super-compressed timeline or a little bit less compressed timeline," Williams said. "Even if it starts next summer, there's still a lot of work to do. If it's going to happen this summer? There are going to be some real, real long days. But I think everybody is committed to doing it.

"It could still get done. We could still build it in that timeframe. It's going to put some people in pretty uncomfortable positions. Markus Roeders, our (women's) soccer coach, is going to have to go out and find a couple of other non-conference games – well, that's going to be kind of hard to do at this late date. It's going to get really uncomfortable in that really tight timeline, but I still think we can get it done."

It's generally accepted that a 2014-15 start date is more likely, given the need to add more programs toward a goal of 12, total. (The media rights deal for the new league is expected to fall in place more or less simultaneously with the separation agreement.) But there's a bit of a chicken-or-the-egg scenario with new membership, too -- do you need the start date or new programs first?

"From my perspective, I don't think you want to create a lot of consternation or upheaval in another conference until you're absolutely certain that it's fairly imminent," Ponsetto said. "It is disruptive. College athletics has gone through a lot of transition the last couple years, and all of us want to be more on the side of creating more stability."
 
i get it. having one team at number eight is the same as the conference with the number one team...two in the top four...three in the top ten and five in the top 20.

you just made lenhart and my point.

I didn't realize your point was that the Big Smoke would be a stronger basketball conference than the Pac 12, SEC, Big 12, A 10, Big East, and anyone else not named Big 10 and ACC. For so long I thought we didn't agree. Good to see that we do.

If you want to pine away for something that had absolutely no chance of existing once the conference landscape started it's changes 15 years ago, a dominating sports conference that had had both football programs and non football programs, well that's your problem. Anyone who understands how this has all worked and where it was headed from the start will need to be satisfied with playing in the best non football playing hoops conference that the AD's and coaches can put together. Like I said to you earlier, once the football schools walk away from the non football schools entirely then you can probably even get your national hoops mega conference, albeit with no meaningful national championship tourney.

it is what it is. deja vu. the same people who love norman's mediocrity will love the big smoke. people like me will (have) lost their enthusiasm for college sports...at least i have the baseball and football giants to root for along with other pro sports here in nyc where at least they're trying even if the product sometimes sucks.

SO if you're team is not in the best conference in the country then there's no point? Says far more about you than about the new conference dude. Shame now that you've got so much time on your hands you'll have nothing to do from January through March. Would have been real nice if you were a Duke fan I guess.

what it says about me, yankcranker, is i get enthusiastic about excellence...and bored with mediocrity.

You are a SF Giants fan. Before your recent 2 out of 3 WS, your last one was 1954. How did you handle the boredom for all that time? You could have just rooted for the Yankees.

And aren't you also NY Rangers fan? From 1940 to 1994 no Stanley Cups. Now you have 1 cup in 72 years. You must have a really fun social life to keep from having boredom set in.

Isn't sports the one place where we keep our allegiances through all the dark times? SJU may never win a title in my lifetime, but I won't be bored watching and hoping.

sports...even minor league sports...are far from boring. there's always a bright side and players you can root for. juan marichal never won a world series. neither did "kong" kingman. they were fun players to watch. that doesn't mean i wasn't PO'd when they gave away players like gaylord perry, orlando cepeda or george foster...or even zach wheeler for a beltran rental. i taped game six of the 2002 world series when the giants were finally on the brink with a 5-0 lead late in the "deciding" game. i still haven't been able to watch it.

it's the same with the rangers. i loved jacques plante...rod gilbert...jean ratelle. this year's team as well. hey, they even have a player whose father played for st john's. they did their best. no one wins every year.

i'm old enough to remember... i didn't believe the dodgers or giants would leave new york. no way. i would still rather they be here. i stayed with the giants because you don't give up old friends. bad things happen in sports. not boring things..bad things. we'll be more like hartford whaler fans. their beloved team is in carolina...and they have a minor league team in their place. i've been to minor league games. minor league baseball and hockey are fun to watch. now i'm watching junior college basketball. the games are exciting. it's just not the same as the big time. that's what i'm complaining about. the big east doesn't have to slip to atlantic 10 quality...but all signs point in that direction.

as far as austour yanking my crank...he's a laid back california guy who spent a little time in westchester. you get the picture.
 
I know some people have commented that they don't care if we keep the name Big East but I am still hoping that we retain it. Given everything that the basketball schools have had to put up with over the years, it would be fitting it we at least keep the name. Schools like Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, East Carolina, etc playing in the "Big East" is just plain wrong. Come Mike Aresco, do the right thing, sell the name.
 
I know some people have commented that they don't care if we keep the name Big East but I am still hoping that we retain it. Given everything that the basketball schools have had to put up with over the years, it would be fitting it we at least keep the name. Schools like Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, East Carolina, etc playing in the "Big East" is just plain wrong. Come Mike Aresco, do the right thing, sell the name.

Agree
 
Would like to keep it but would consider Highrise or Skyscraper Conference as alternatives that capture we are the big city hoops first schools.
 
I know some people have commented that they don't care if we keep the name Big East but I am still hoping that we retain it. Given everything that the basketball schools have had to put up with over the years, it would be fitting it we at least keep the name. Schools like Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, East Carolina, etc playing in the "Big East" is just plain wrong. Come Mike Aresco, do the right thing, sell the name.

Agree

I feel the same, I really want to keep it also.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/sports/ncaabasketball/big-east-considers-selling-its-name-to-departing-members.html?_r=1&

The conference is negotiating to sell its 34-year-old name to the seven defecting Catholic universities — St. John’s, Seton Hall, Marquette, DePaul, Georgetown, Villanova and Providence — that are creating their own basketball conference.

Good article, I think the final line says it best, which is good news for us wanting to keep the Big East name:

Those colleges will almost certainly play for a conference that is not called the Big East.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/sports/ncaabasketball/big-east-considers-selling-its-name-to-departing-members.html?_r=1&

The conference is negotiating to sell its 34-year-old name to the seven defecting Catholic universities — St. John’s, Seton Hall, Marquette, DePaul, Georgetown, Villanova and Providence — that are creating their own basketball conference.

Good article, I think the final line says it best, which is good news for us wanting to keep the Big East name:

Those colleges will almost certainly play for a conference that is not called the Big East.

Seeing the C-7 are all Catholic, it's too bad the Church doesn't sell indulgences any more. IT could make for a nice swap.

Come to think of it, we may be able to throw in a few custom made suits, a Rolex or two, and some petty cash earmarked for charity.
 
as far as austour yanking my crank...he's a laid back california guy who spent a little time in westchester. you get the picture.

Knew I had that one coming. :lol:

It's all good dude!
 
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