All Realignment Talk Here

[Rob Lenhart]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/georgetown-takes-lead-in-preserving-basketball-tradition-of-catholic-7/2013/02/21/40193304-7c2d-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html

The Rev. Donald J. Harrington, president of St. John’s, describes DeGioia as a low key, insightful and pragmatic leader.

“He doesn’t manifest any need to impress people,” said Harrington, who has known DeGioia since 1993. “He listens first, gets a sense of the landscape and then speaks if and when it’s needed. He doesn’t seek to overpower; college presidents can tend not to do that.”

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And from the comments section to the article-

nova9047
2/22/2013 3:11 PM EST
..., shortly before this C7 story broke, JTIII told the Post, "Gtown is exploring what options are best for Gtown." I believe him. What I don't believe is that GTown will actually participate in a league of eatern has beens and mid western never will be's. GTown (and Villanova for that matter), view their peers as ND, BC and each other. Where are their peers going? There's your answer.


2/22/2013 3:13 PM EST
you think they are headed to the ACC?


nova9047
2/22/2013 3:44 PM EST
I know they wold like to, but there's no room at the proverbial inn (for now). Also the football issue is an impediment, but perhaps not the insurmountable problem everyone is assuming it to be. The ACC could live without GT or VU's participation in football.

Honest question

Are you a fan of St. John's?

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Yes but this new league depresses me. I see it as one rung up the ladder from the Atlantic 10.

 

[Moose]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/georgetown-takes-lead-in-preserving-basketball-tradition-of-catholic-7/2013/02/21/40193304-7c2d-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html

The Rev. Donald J. Harrington, president of St. John’s, describes DeGioia as a low key, insightful and pragmatic leader.

“He doesn’t manifest any need to impress people,” said Harrington, who has known DeGioia since 1993. “He listens first, gets a sense of the landscape and then speaks if and when it’s needed. He doesn’t seek to overpower; college presidents can tend not to do that.”

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And from the comments section to the article-

nova9047
2/22/2013 3:11 PM EST
..., shortly before this C7 story broke, JTIII told the Post, "Gtown is exploring what options are best for Gtown." I believe him. What I don't believe is that GTown will actually participate in a league of eatern has beens and mid western never will be's. GTown (and Villanova for that matter), view their peers as ND, BC and each other. Where are their peers going? There's your answer.


2/22/2013 3:13 PM EST
you think they are headed to the ACC?


nova9047
2/22/2013 3:44 PM EST
I know they wold like to, but there's no room at the proverbial inn (for now). Also the football issue is an impediment, but perhaps not the insurmountable problem everyone is assuming it to be. The ACC could live without GT or VU's participation in football.

Honest question

Are you a fan of St. John's?

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Yes but this new league depresses me. I see it as one rung up the ladder from the Atlantic 10.

So what would you have like to have seen happen. And you cannot say adding football schools.

The reason I ask is because it seems like 95% of your posts are just on the re-alignment.

 

[austour]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/georgetown-takes-lead-in-preserving-basketball-tradition-of-catholic-7/2013/02/21/40193304-7c2d-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html

The Rev. Donald J. Harrington, president of St. John’s, describes DeGioia as a low key, insightful and pragmatic leader.

“He doesn’t manifest any need to impress people,” said Harrington, who has known DeGioia since 1993. “He listens first, gets a sense of the landscape and then speaks if and when it’s needed. He doesn’t seek to overpower; college presidents can tend not to do that.”

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And from the comments section to the article-

nova9047
2/22/2013 3:11 PM EST
..., shortly before this C7 story broke, JTIII told the Post, "Gtown is exploring what options are best for Gtown." I believe him. What I don't believe is that GTown will actually participate in a league of eatern has beens and mid western never will be's. GTown (and Villanova for that matter), view their peers as ND, BC and each other. Where are their peers going? There's your answer.


2/22/2013 3:13 PM EST
you think they are headed to the ACC?


nova9047
2/22/2013 3:44 PM EST
I know they wold like to, but there's no room at the proverbial inn (for now). Also the football issue is an impediment, but perhaps not the insurmountable problem everyone is assuming it to be. The ACC could live without GT or VU's participation in football.

All the comments tell me is that GTown has some equally delusional fans who don't understand that there's no place for basketball only schools in the BCS conferences anymore.

 

[mjmaherjr]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/georgetown-takes-lead-in-preserving-basketball-tradition-of-catholic-7/2013/02/21/40193304-7c2d-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html

The Rev. Donald J. Harrington, president of St. John’s, describes DeGioia as a low key, insightful and pragmatic leader.

“He doesn’t manifest any need to impress people,” said Harrington, who has known DeGioia since 1993. “He listens first, gets a sense of the landscape and then speaks if and when it’s needed. He doesn’t seek to overpower; college presidents can tend not to do that.”

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And from the comments section to the article-

nova9047
2/22/2013 3:11 PM EST
..., shortly before this C7 story broke, JTIII told the Post, "Gtown is exploring what options are best for Gtown." I believe him. What I don't believe is that GTown will actually participate in a league of eatern has beens and mid western never will be's. GTown (and Villanova for that matter), view their peers as ND, BC and each other. Where are their peers going? There's your answer.


2/22/2013 3:13 PM EST
you think they are headed to the ACC?


nova9047
2/22/2013 3:44 PM EST
I know they wold like to, but there's no room at the proverbial inn (for now). Also the football issue is an impediment, but perhaps not the insurmountable problem everyone is assuming it to be. The ACC could live without GT or VU's participation in football.

Honest question

Are you a fan of St. John's?

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Yes but this new league depresses me. I see it as one rung up the ladder from the Atlantic 10.

So what would you have like to have seen happen. And you cannot say adding football schools.

The reason I ask is because it seems like 95% of your posts are just on the re-alignment.

Maybe he's Mike Aresco

 

[bk8664]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/georgetown-takes-lead-in-preserving-basketball-tradition-of-catholic-7/2013/02/21/40193304-7c2d-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html

The Rev. Donald J. Harrington, president of St. John’s, describes DeGioia as a low key, insightful and pragmatic leader.

“He doesn’t manifest any need to impress people,” said Harrington, who has known DeGioia since 1993. “He listens first, gets a sense of the landscape and then speaks if and when it’s needed. He doesn’t seek to overpower; college presidents can tend not to do that.”

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And from the comments section to the article-

nova9047
2/22/2013 3:11 PM EST
..., shortly before this C7 story broke, JTIII told the Post, "Gtown is exploring what options are best for Gtown." I believe him. What I don't believe is that GTown will actually participate in a league of eatern has beens and mid western never will be's. GTown (and Villanova for that matter), view their peers as ND, BC and each other. Where are their peers going? There's your answer.


2/22/2013 3:13 PM EST
you think they are headed to the ACC?


nova9047
2/22/2013 3:44 PM EST
I know they wold like to, but there's no room at the proverbial inn (for now). Also the football issue is an impediment, but perhaps not the insurmountable problem everyone is assuming it to be. The ACC could live without GT or VU's participation in football.

Honest question

Are you a fan of St. John's?

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Yes but this new league depresses me. I see it as one rung up the ladder from the Atlantic 10.

Fear not Rob,

Because of MSG, St. John's should be able to schedule pretty tough non-conference opponents. Georgetown, Nova, Marquette, Butler provide enough intra-confernce big time-opponents. Our combined inter and intra conference opponents will keep our overall schedule very exciting. Lavin is a marketing machine. The agreement with Syracuse is proof of that.

On top of that, St. John's is supposed to get pretty good coin from the new network deal. Once we get out on the other side of this whole conference re-alignment mess, it seems like we are going to get out this pretty unscathed. It could have been much worse.

You think are you depressed? How do you think the fans of UCONN, Cincinnati and South Florida feel? Cinci and Uconn were looking at the pay-day of $13 to $15mm/year from the Big East or hoping to get invited to the ACC to make even more money - and now they are looking at payday of $2mm a year for both football and basketball. You think those fans aren't freaking out? This could be the death knell of them if the ACC somehow isn't raided and stands pat with its current members. In fact, this whole conference re-alignment thing could be great for St. John's because if UCONN takes a big step backwards with recruiting because of their new lousy conference (which is very, very possible) then all the NYC kids that were headed up 95 to Storrs might be headed down the Grand Central Parkway instead. Think of all the NYC kids that we lost to UCONN, that could in play for us going forward? We could easily net, net, benefit from this. As long the school administration sees to it that we have a good coach and good coaching staff, we should be just fine. We just had such a lousy 15 to 20 years that this has all been hard to take. Hopefully the light is in fact at the end of the tunnel.

Feel better?
Does any one else need a pep talk?

 

[redken]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/georgetown-takes-lead-in-preserving-basketball-tradition-of-catholic-7/2013/02/21/40193304-7c2d-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html

The Rev. Donald J. Harrington, president of St. John’s, describes DeGioia as a low key, insightful and pragmatic leader.

“He doesn’t manifest any need to impress people,” said Harrington, who has known DeGioia since 1993. “He listens first, gets a sense of the landscape and then speaks if and when it’s needed. He doesn’t seek to overpower; college presidents can tend not to do that.”

------

And from the comments section to the article-

nova9047
2/22/2013 3:11 PM EST
..., shortly before this C7 story broke, JTIII told the Post, "Gtown is exploring what options are best for Gtown." I believe him. What I don't believe is that GTown will actually participate in a league of eatern has beens and mid western never will be's. GTown (and Villanova for that matter), view their peers as ND, BC and each other. Where are their peers going? There's your answer.


2/22/2013 3:13 PM EST
you think they are headed to the ACC?


nova9047
2/22/2013 3:44 PM EST
I know they wold like to, but there's no room at the proverbial inn (for now). Also the football issue is an impediment, but perhaps not the insurmountable problem everyone is assuming it to be. The ACC could live without GT or VU's participation in football.

Honest question

Are you a fan of St. John's?

-----

Yes but this new league depresses me. I see it as one rung up the ladder from the Atlantic 10.

Fear not Rob,

Because of MSG, St. John's should be able to schedule pretty tough non-conference opponents. Georgetown, Nova, Marquette, Butler provide enough intra-confernce big time-opponents. Our combined inter and intra conference opponents will keep our overall schedule very exciting. Lavin is a marketing machine. The agreement with Syracuse is proof of that.

On top of that, St. John's is supposed to get pretty good coin from the new network deal. Once we get out on the other side of this whole conference re-alignment mess, it seems like we are going to get out this pretty unscathed. It could have been much worse.

You think are you depressed? How do you think the fans of UCONN, Cincinnati and South Florida feel? Cinci and Uconn were looking at the pay-day of $13 to $15mm/year from the Big East or hoping to get invited to the ACC to make even more money - and now they are looking at payday of $2mm a year for both football and basketball. You think those fans aren't freaking out? This could be the death knell of them if the ACC somehow isn't raided and stands pat with its current members. In fact, this whole conference re-alignment thing could be great for St. John's because if UCONN takes a big step backwards with recruiting because of their new lousy conference (which is very, very possible) then all the NYC kids that were headed up 95 to Storrs might be headed down the Grand Central Parkway instead. Think of all the NYC kids that we lost to UCONN, that could in play for us going forward? We could easily net, net, benefit from this. As long the school administration sees to it that we have a good coach and good coaching staff, we should be just fine. We just had such a lousy 15 to 20 years that this has all been hard to take. Hopefully the light is in fact at the end of the tunnel.

Feel better?
Does any one else need a pep talk?

I don't know if Rob feels better after reading that, but I do!

 

[LINY89]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/georgetown-takes-lead-in-preserving-basketball-tradition-of-catholic-7/2013/02/21/40193304-7c2d-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html

The Rev. Donald J. Harrington, president of St. John’s, describes DeGioia as a low key, insightful and pragmatic leader.

“He doesn’t manifest any need to impress people,” said Harrington, who has known DeGioia since 1993. “He listens first, gets a sense of the landscape and then speaks if and when it’s needed. He doesn’t seek to overpower; college presidents can tend not to do that.”

------

And from the comments section to the article-

nova9047
2/22/2013 3:11 PM EST
..., shortly before this C7 story broke, JTIII told the Post, "Gtown is exploring what options are best for Gtown." I believe him. What I don't believe is that GTown will actually participate in a league of eatern has beens and mid western never will be's. GTown (and Villanova for that matter), view their peers as ND, BC and each other. Where are their peers going? There's your answer.


2/22/2013 3:13 PM EST
you think they are headed to the ACC?


nova9047
2/22/2013 3:44 PM EST
I know they wold like to, but there's no room at the proverbial inn (for now). Also the football issue is an impediment, but perhaps not the insurmountable problem everyone is assuming it to be. The ACC could live without GT or VU's participation in football.

Honest question

Are you a fan of St. John's?

-----

Yes but this new league depresses me. I see it as one rung up the ladder from the Atlantic 10.

1 rung up the ladder from the A-10? Are you nuts? The A-10 has 2 ranked teams. On a typical year the new conference should get 4-5 on a great year 6+.

 

[tom in salem]

This is from St. Louis Post Dispatch sportswriter Brian Burwell:

It’s hard to tell if the new league would be able to get everything in place as quickly as next season, but if it happens, the new Big East would become an immediate big boy in college hoops. If you look at this week’s polls, the new league has five ranked teams in the latest USA Today coaches poll (No. 8 Georgetown, No. 19 SLU, No. 21 Butler, No. 22 Marquette and No. 25 VCU). That would tie it with the Big Ten (considered universally as this year’s best conference) and give it more ranked teams than the current Big East (four), the A-10 (four), the Big 12 (three), the ACC (two) and the SEC (one).

That would be something. The new league apparently already has almost everything in place. They have a TV deal (most likely Fox and ESPN). They have several potential commissioner candidates. They have Madison Square Garden apparently ready to take them as primary March tournament tenant over the existing Big East, and they have a very good chance of being able to retain the use of the name “Big East.”

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...cle_6d4fe8de-8267-55bc-98bb-0f7f7d7f89a4.html

 

[newsman13]

i get it. having one team at number eight is the same as the conference with the number one team...two in the top four...three in the top ten and five in the top 20.

you just made lenhart and my point.

 

[Funn]

This is from St. Louis Post Dispatch sportswriter Brian Burwell:

It’s hard to tell if the new league would be able to get everything in place as quickly as next season, but if it happens, the new Big East would become an immediate big boy in college hoops. If you look at this week’s polls, the new league has five ranked teams in the latest USA Today coaches poll (No. 8 Georgetown, No. 19 SLU, No. 21 Butler, No. 22 Marquette and No. 25 VCU). That would tie it with the Big Ten (considered universally as this year’s best conference) and give it more ranked teams than the current Big East (four), the A-10 (four), the Big 12 (three), the ACC (two) and the SEC (one).

That would be something. The new league apparently already has almost everything in place. They have a TV deal (most likely Fox and ESPN). They have several potential commissioner candidates. They have Madison Square Garden apparently ready to take them as primary March tournament tenant over the existing Big East, and they have a very good chance of being able to retain the use of the name “Big East.”

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...cle_6d4fe8de-8267-55bc-98bb-0f7f7d7f89a4.html

And that doesn't even count Nova...they will surely be ranked next year IMO. On a great year 6 ranked teams is possible.

 

[austour]

i get it. having one team at number eight is the same as the conference with the number one team...two in the top four...three in the top ten and five in the top 20.

you just made lenhart and my point.

I didn't realize your point was that the Big Smoke would be a stronger basketball conference than the Pac 12, SEC, Big 12, A 10, Big East, and anyone else not named Big 10 and ACC. For so long I thought we didn't agree. Good to see that we do.

If you want to pine away for something that had absolutely no chance of existing once the conference landscape started it's changes 15 years ago, a dominating sports conference that had had both football programs and non football programs, well that's your problem. Anyone who understands how this has all worked and where it was headed from the start will need to be satisfied with playing in the best non football playing hoops conference that the AD's and coaches can put together. Like I said to you earlier, once the football schools walk away from the non football schools entirely then you can probably even get your national hoops mega conference, albeit with no meaningful national championship tourney.

 

[austour]

Here's s run down of the conference affiliation post shake up of the coaches top 25 plus the three teams ranked in the AP but not the USA Today. Please note that the new entrants to the Big Smoke got to this point without the extra money, exposure and prestige that the new conference affiliation will afford them:

Big 10: Ind (1), Mich (4), Mi St (10), Oh St (15), Wisc (16)
WCC: Zags (2), St Marys (24)
ACC: Duke (3), Miami (7), 'Ville (9), Syr (12), UND (20), Pitt (ranked in AP)
Big 12: Kansas (5), K St (13), OK St (18)
SEC: Fla (6)
Big Smoke: G Town (8th), St L (19), Butler (21), Marquette (22), VCU (25)
Pac 12: Az (11) Oregon (ranked in AP)
Mountain West: New Mex (14)
Big East: Memphis (17)
MAC: Akron (24)
WAC: La Tech (ranked in AP)

 

[newsman13]

i get it. having one team at number eight is the same as the conference with the number one team...two in the top four...three in the top ten and five in the top 20.

you just made lenhart and my point.

I didn't realize your point was that the Big Smoke would be a stronger basketball conference than the Pac 12, SEC, Big 12, A 10, Big East, and anyone else not named Big 10 and ACC. For so long I thought we didn't agree. Good to see that we do.

If you want to pine away for something that had absolutely no chance of existing once the conference landscape started it's changes 15 years ago, a dominating sports conference that had had both football programs and non football programs, well that's your problem. Anyone who understands how this has all worked and where it was headed from the start will need to be satisfied with playing in the best non football playing hoops conference that the AD's and coaches can put together. Like I said to you earlier, once the football schools walk away from the non football schools entirely then you can probably even get your national hoops mega conference, albeit with no meaningful national championship tourney.

it is what it is. deja vu. the same people who love norman's mediocrity will love the big smoke. people like me will (have) lost their enthusiasm for college sports...at least i have the baseball and football giants to root for along with other pro sports here in nyc where at least they're trying even if the product sometimes sucks.

 

[austour]

i get it. having one team at number eight is the same as the conference with the number one team...two in the top four...three in the top ten and five in the top 20.

you just made lenhart and my point.

I didn't realize your point was that the Big Smoke would be a stronger basketball conference than the Pac 12, SEC, Big 12, A 10, Big East, and anyone else not named Big 10 and ACC. For so long I thought we didn't agree. Good to see that we do.

If you want to pine away for something that had absolutely no chance of existing once the conference landscape started it's changes 15 years ago, a dominating sports conference that had had both football programs and non football programs, well that's your problem. Anyone who understands how this has all worked and where it was headed from the start will need to be satisfied with playing in the best non football playing hoops conference that the AD's and coaches can put together. Like I said to you earlier, once the football schools walk away from the non football schools entirely then you can probably even get your national hoops mega conference, albeit with no meaningful national championship tourney.

it is what it is. deja vu. the same people who love norman's mediocrity will love the big smoke. people like me will (have) lost their enthusiasm for college sports...at least i have the baseball and football giants to root for along with other pro sports here in nyc where at least they're trying even if the product sometimes sucks.

SO if you're team is not in the best conference in the country then there's no point? Says far more about you than about the new conference dude. Shame now that you've got so much time on your hands you'll have nothing to do from January through March. Would have been real nice if you were a Duke fan I guess.

 

[austour]

PS, yes, it sucks. But like you said. It is what is is. If you're a college basketball fan you'll get over it. If you're a St. Johns fan you can see that even in a lesser conference the program is healthier than its been since the late 90's at least. If that can't get you through the malaise that is big time football money ruling the roost there's always fine wine.

 

[Marillac]

Miami is a joke. I don't know how they are doing it...smoke and mirrors. They are not a top ten caliber team...I really think we could beat them if we were matched up in the NCAAs. Of course, we have to get there first. Miami will never be a great basketball school. NOBODY goes to their games...it's horrible.

 

[austour]

Miami is a joke. I don't know how they are doing it...smoke and mirrors. They are not a top ten caliber team...I really think we could beat them if we were matched up in the NCAAs. Of course, we have to get there first. Miami will never be a great basketball school. NOBODY goes to their games...it's horrible.

I don't disagree. Khadji (sp?) and Larkin are real good players but the overall roster is hardly stellar. Larranaga has done more with less in the past though. Good coach. Master motivator.

Oh and Durand is real good as well of course.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Miami is a joke. I don't know how they are doing it...smoke and mirrors. They are not a top ten caliber team...I really think we could beat them if we were matched up in the NCAAs. Of course, we have to get there first. Miami will never be a great basketball school. NOBODY goes to their games...it's horrible.

I agree I would be surprised if they had much of a future, but this years team is reaaal good. Two great guards and two really good big men. And a good coach to boot.

 

[tom in salem]

The two sides are holding meetings on a regular basis and the word used among Big East officials is “close, very close” to having some sort of announcement.

Aresco wants to move forward with his new look league, presumably with the Big East name. It will be a trimmed down, more cohesive group. consisting of 10 teams in football for next season and either 11 or 12 teams in football and basketball by the start of the 2014 season.

The Catholic 7 plan will be to announce a departure date and then immediately add at least three teams to the conference–with Xavier, Butler and either Richmond, Dayton, Saint Louis or Creighton as the 10th team, with the eventual possibility that five of the six eventually being part of the group.

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5326#more-5326

 

[newsman13]

i get it. having one team at number eight is the same as the conference with the number one team...two in the top four...three in the top ten and five in the top 20.

you just made lenhart and my point.

I didn't realize your point was that the Big Smoke would be a stronger basketball conference than the Pac 12, SEC, Big 12, A 10, Big East, and anyone else not named Big 10 and ACC. For so long I thought we didn't agree. Good to see that we do.

If you want to pine away for something that had absolutely no chance of existing once the conference landscape started it's changes 15 years ago, a dominating sports conference that had had both football programs and non football programs, well that's your problem. Anyone who understands how this has all worked and where it was headed from the start will need to be satisfied with playing in the best non football playing hoops conference that the AD's and coaches can put together. Like I said to you earlier, once the football schools walk away from the non football schools entirely then you can probably even get your national hoops mega conference, albeit with no meaningful national championship tourney.

it is what it is. deja vu. the same people who love norman's mediocrity will love the big smoke. people like me will (have) lost their enthusiasm for college sports...at least i have the baseball and football giants to root for along with other pro sports here in nyc where at least they're trying even if the product sometimes sucks.

SO if you're team is not in the best conference in the country then there's no point? Says far more about you than about the new conference dude. Shame now that you've got so much time on your hands you'll have nothing to do from January through March. Would have been real nice if you were a Duke fan I guess.

what it says about me, yankcranker, is i get enthusiastic about excellence...and bored with mediocrity.