All Realignment Talk Here

Courtesy of John Feinstein:http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...eaa870-7876-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

There has been a good deal of speculation about who the other schools in the new league might be since the Catholic 7 informed the Big East in December that they were leaving the floundering league. In all likelihood, four schools are virtual locks to be invited: Dayton, Xavier, Saint Louis and Butler. The first three are Catholic schools. DeGioia and friends would probably be willing to make an exception for Butler because the school has become a national basketball power and would make the league’s television package a good deal more lucrative.

The conference leaders want six eastern and six western — really, midwestern — schools. The eastern division of the league will consist of Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence and either Richmond (also a non-Catholic school) or Siena — a late entry but a potentially appealing one because it’s a Catholic school that (more importantly) plays in a 15,500-seat arena in Albany, N.Y.

The western conference would consist of Marquette, DePaul, Saint Louis, Xavier, Dayton and Butler. If Butler decides not to leave the Atlantic 10 — which it joined only this season — or if the presidents decide to go with Catholic schools only, the University of Detroit Mercy would come into the picture. Creighton, another Catholic school considered a potential candidate, is considered too far west (Omaha, Neb.) for teams in non-revenue sports to travel.

Two Atlantic 10 teams that will not be asked to join the new league are Saint Joseph’s and La Salle, because Villanova would block any move to add another team from Philadelphia.
 
Courtesy of John Feinstein:http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...eaa870-7876-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

There has been a good deal of speculation about who the other schools in the new league might be since the Catholic 7 informed the Big East in December that they were leaving the floundering league. In all likelihood, four schools are virtual locks to be invited: Dayton, Xavier, Saint Louis and Butler. The first three are Catholic schools. DeGioia and friends would probably be willing to make an exception for Butler because the school has become a national basketball power and would make the league’s television package a good deal more lucrative.

The conference leaders want six eastern and six western — really, midwestern — schools. The eastern division of the league will consist of Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence and either Richmond (also a non-Catholic school) or Siena — a late entry but a potentially appealing one because it’s a Catholic school that (more importantly) plays in a 15,500-seat arena in Albany, N.Y.

The western conference would consist of Marquette, DePaul, Saint Louis, Xavier, Dayton and Butler. If Butler decides not to leave the Atlantic 10 — which it joined only this season — or if the presidents decide to go with Catholic schools only, the University of Detroit Mercy would come into the picture. Creighton, another Catholic school considered a potential candidate, is considered too far west (Omaha, Neb.) for teams in non-revenue sports to travel.

Two Atlantic 10 teams that will not be asked to join the new league are Saint Joseph’s and La Salle, because Villanova would block any move to add another team from Philadelphia.
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Where does this guy get his material?
If half of it is true, the new C7 is slightly screwed.
The Gtown president is in charge because the other presidents have little interest?
Lose a Syracuse and add a Siena? Well they are both upstate and begin with the letter "S".
Lose a Uconn and add a Northeastern? Well they were both coached by Jim Calhoun.
Lose a Dayton and add Detroit Mercy? Isn't half of Detroit abandoned?
IF Butler opts not to join? Goodbye the Indiana market.
No VCU? How about adding CU? Just leave out the "V". You can't get any more "Catholic" than Catholic University!
 
If the above is true, it means unknowledgeable school officials are more involved than they should be. Please leave selection of schools to the athletic directors and basketball coaches. Thank you.
 
Courtesy of John Feinstein:http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...eaa870-7876-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

There has been a good deal of speculation about who the other schools in the new league might be since the Catholic 7 informed the Big East in December that they were leaving the floundering league. In all likelihood, four schools are virtual locks to be invited: Dayton, Xavier, Saint Louis and Butler. The first three are Catholic schools. DeGioia and friends would probably be willing to make an exception for Butler because the school has become a national basketball power and would make the league’s television package a good deal more lucrative.

The conference leaders want six eastern and six western — really, midwestern — schools. The eastern division of the league will consist of Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence and either Richmond (also a non-Catholic school) or Siena — a late entry but a potentially appealing one because it’s a Catholic school that (more importantly) plays in a 15,500-seat arena in Albany, N.Y.

The western conference would consist of Marquette, DePaul, Saint Louis, Xavier, Dayton and Butler. If Butler decides not to leave the Atlantic 10 — which it joined only this season — or if the presidents decide to go with Catholic schools only, the University of Detroit Mercy would come into the picture. Creighton, another Catholic school considered a potential candidate, is considered too far west (Omaha, Neb.) for teams in non-revenue sports to travel.

Two Atlantic 10 teams that will not be asked to join the new league are Saint Joseph’s and La Salle, because Villanova would block any move to add another team from Philadelphia.
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Where does this guy get his material?
If half of it is true, the new C7 is slightly screwed.
The Gtown president is in charge because the other presidents have little interest?
Lose a Syracuse and add a Siena? Well they are both upstate and begin with the letter "S".
Lose a Uconn and add a Northeastern? Well they were both coached by Jim Calhoun.
Lose a Dayton and add Detroit Mercy? Isn't half of Detroit abandoned?
IF Butler opts not to join? Goodbye the Indiana market.
No VCU? How about adding CU? Just leave out the "V". You can't get any more "Catholic" than Catholic University!
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And hence, this is why I am a proponent of just Xavier & Butler. The more teams you add beyond those 2, the more you waterdown the league and start in essence a 2nd A-10. I don't understand the need or fascination with Dayton or St. Louis? What have they done in basketball (I don't mean a good year here and there, I mean on a consistent basis) that would increase the overall league's strength's when it comes to RPI or SOS?

Over the last 10 years St. Louis has been to one NCAA (last year) & Dayton 3 times (2 of those in 2003 & 2004). Unlike Butler & VCU, even when they made it, they always had quick exits. Creighton is the same story although they have one more appearance than Dayton. So over a combined 30 years, just 8 NCAA trips between these 3 schools. We want them in our league why?
 
I question a lot of what Feinstein cites in that article, not the least of which is:

"The man who has been charged with piecing together the new league is Georgetown President John J. DeGioia, a job handed to him, according to those who know, in large part because of a lack of interest on the part of the presidents of St. John’s, Villanova, Seton Hall, DePaul, Marquette and Providence."

I know DeGioia is a leader for the group, but to say SJU and MU have a "lack of interest" is just ridiculous.
 
I question a lot of what Feinstein cites in that article, not the least of which is:

"The man who has been charged with piecing together the new league is Georgetown President John J. DeGioia, a job handed to him, according to those who know, in large part because of a lack of interest on the part of the presidents of St. John’s, Villanova, Seton Hall, DePaul, Marquette and Providence."

I know DeGioia is a leader for the group, but to say SJU and MU have a "lack of interest" is just ridiculous.
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Good to see you posting. It's been awhile.
 
And hence, this is why I am a proponent of just Xavier & Butler. The more teams you add beyond those 2, the more you waterdown the league and start in essence a 2nd A-10. I don't understand the need or fascination with Dayton or St. Louis? What have they done in basketball (I don't mean a good year here and there, I mean on a consistent basis) that would increase the overall league's strength's when it comes to RPI or SOS?

Over the last 10 years St. Louis has been to one NCAA (last year) & Dayton 3 times (2 of those in 2003 & 2004). Unlike Butler & VCU, even when they made it, they always had quick exits. Creighton is the same story although they have one more appearance than Dayton. So over a combined 30 years, just 8 NCAA trips between these 3 schools. We want them in our league why?
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If this were five years ago, you would laugh at the notion of Butler and VCU. Hell five years ago, I never heard of VCU. But they went on historic runs and are now part of the equation.

St. Louis has great facilities, a good market and they were a decent enough program to get a coach like Rick Majerus to sign.

As far as their lack of recent NCAA tourney success, well, glass houses, stones, etc.

St. Lou:
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And hence, this is why I am a proponent of just Xavier & Butler. The more teams you add beyond those 2, the more you waterdown the league and start in essence a 2nd A-10. I don't understand the need or fascination with Dayton or St. Louis? What have they done in basketball (I don't mean a good year here and there, I mean on a consistent basis) that would increase the overall league's strength's when it comes to RPI or SOS?

Over the last 10 years St. Louis has been to one NCAA (last year) & Dayton 3 times (2 of those in 2003 & 2004). Unlike Butler & VCU, even when they made it, they always had quick exits. Creighton is the same story although they have one more appearance than Dayton. So over a combined 30 years, just 8 NCAA trips between these 3 schools. We want them in our league why?
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If this were five years ago, you would laugh at the notion of Butler and VCU. Hell five years ago, I never heard of VCU. But they went on historic runs and are now part of the equation.

St. Louis has great facilities, a good market and they were a decent enough program to get a coach like Rick Majerus to sign.

As far as their lack of recent NCAA tourney success, well, glass houses, stones, etc.

St. Lou:
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I understand but whether you heard of a school or not is an individual thing. I've known about VCU for years but that's only b/c I am a college sports fan, others I'm sure only heard of them as a result of their recent run. I agree that St. Louis is in a nice market with great facilities, but having those don't equal success. In fact most of the best programs today are not from big market cities (Lexington, Durham, Lawrence, East Lansing, Bloomington, Gainsvillle, to name a few). As for the "glass houses" comment, seriously, we at least have a rich history over 100 years, are you really comparing our program with St. Louis just b/c of a bad stretch? Hey, if people want St. Louis, Dayton, Creighton, etc on our schedule every year, instead of possible non-conference matches with schools like UNC, UCLA, Kansas, Florida, Michigan St, even Syracuse and UConn, then so be it. Just remember, be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.
 
Concerning Tom O'Connor George Mason AD as new league Comm. I live 1/4 mile from Mason and have observed that he has done a fantastic job with its basketball program. Before Tom, the team would play before less than 1K. I attended the opening game against Virginia and was very surprised. It was like a festival. They had about 20 large tents with food, games, promotional items, a large screen for overflow viewers and many give aways. The 10k Patriot arena was full (mostly GMU fans) and security was letting overflow students in as no show seats were counted. Inside they had a small GMU blimp circling the area more give aways and entertainment.
The team is not very good this year but they have very good fan support from a school that has more non resident students than those that live on campus.
Tom was very proactive promoting GMU during its final four run. He kept coach Jim Larranaga at the school longer than most expected. Jim is an avid golfer who had aspired to coach in the ACC and Miami provided those, plus a very big pay increase. Tom would have met the pay but could not provide the ACC spot or Miami golf weather (I think USC could steal Jim from Miami with their better golf weather, TV market, recruiting machine. Jim has won at highest level with few top level recruits. He was available when Jarvis, Fran and Norm selected at SJU but the search team overlooked him for some reason. He had attended and played for Providence and would have jumped at a chance to coach in the Big East.

Concerning additional conference teams, if Butler, Creighton and Gonzaga are not heavily recruited, it will be a big mistake. They are three top 25 teams with a long history of having good basketball teams. St. Mary's could be added out west with St. Louis and Xavier to fill TV market cities. Davidson and Charleston have good basketball histories and could also enhance the TV marketplace.
Joining the teams in the new conference should enhance recruiting and income for the new teams and add value to the TV contract. The league could lease a few NetJets to move efficiently teams, in style, at a reasonable cost by providing promotional considerations.

Just a few observations.
 
The reason I don't think adding schools from the west coast will happen is b/c it will take a financial toll on the other sports. I don't think schools with budgets like St. John's, Seton Hall, PC, etc will be able to regularly finance trips to California for women's softball, tennis or golf teams. I could be wrong but I have read in the past that travel expenses for the non revenue sports has always been a concern for small private schools, especially those that don't have a lot of alumni support.
 
The reason I don't think adding schools from the west coast will happen is b/c it will take a financial toll on the other sports. I don't think schools with budgets like St. John's, Seton Hall, PC, etc will be able to regularly finance trips to California for women's softball, tennis or golf teams. I could be wrong but I have read in the past that travel expenses for the non revenue sports has always been a concern for small private schools, especially those that don't have a lot of alumni support.
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But its more on the West Coast school that would be coming East more often. An east school would have to travel just once if there is a West Coast team or two. However a West Coast team would need to make multiple trips east.
 
The reason I don't think adding schools from the west coast will happen is b/c it will take a financial toll on the other sports. I don't think schools with budgets like St. John's, Seton Hall, PC, etc will be able to regularly finance trips to California for women's softball, tennis or golf teams. I could be wrong but I have read in the past that travel expenses for the non revenue sports has always been a concern for small private schools, especially those that don't have a lot of alumni support.
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But its more on the West Coast school that would be coming East more often. An east school would have to travel just once if there is a West Coast team or two. However a West Coast team would need to make multiple trips east.
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Very good point, I guess the question then becomes if its financially feasible for the St Mary's and Gonzagas of the world to join a conference with mostly eastern based teams.
 
The reason I don't think adding schools from the west coast will happen is b/c it will take a financial toll on the other sports. I don't think schools with budgets like St. John's, Seton Hall, PC, etc will be able to regularly finance trips to California for women's softball, tennis or golf teams. I could be wrong but I have read in the past that travel expenses for the non revenue sports has always been a concern for small private schools, especially those that don't have a lot of alumni support.
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But its more on the West Coast school that would be coming East more often. An east school would have to travel just once if there is a West Coast team or two. However a West Coast team would need to make multiple trips east.
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Very good point, I guess the question then becomes if its financially feasible for the St Mary's and Gonzagas of the world to join a conference with mostly eastern based teams.
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the bigger point is whether the fan base will travel east for basketball...especially for the big east tournament. it might happen for the first couple of years...but after that, i think not.
 
Courtesy of John Feinstein:http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...eaa870-7876-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

There has been a good deal of speculation about who the other schools in the new league might be since the Catholic 7 informed the Big East in December that they were leaving the floundering league. In all likelihood, four schools are virtual locks to be invited: Dayton, Xavier, Saint Louis and Butler. The first three are Catholic schools. DeGioia and friends would probably be willing to make an exception for Butler because the school has become a national basketball power and would make the league’s television package a good deal more lucrative.

The conference leaders want six eastern and six western — really, midwestern — schools. The eastern division of the league will consist of Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence and either Richmond (also a non-Catholic school) or Siena — a late entry but a potentially appealing one because it’s a Catholic school that (more importantly) plays in a 15,500-seat arena in Albany, N.Y.

The western conference would consist of Marquette, DePaul, Saint Louis, Xavier, Dayton and Butler. If Butler decides not to leave the Atlantic 10 — which it joined only this season — or if the presidents decide to go with Catholic schools only, the University of Detroit Mercy would come into the picture. Creighton, another Catholic school considered a potential candidate, is considered too far west (Omaha, Neb.) for teams in non-revenue sports to travel.

Two Atlantic 10 teams that will not be asked to join the new league are Saint Joseph’s and La Salle, because Villanova would block any move to add another team from Philadelphia.
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Where does this guy get his material?
If half of it is true, the new C7 is slightly screwed.
The Gtown president is in charge because the other presidents have little interest?
Lose a Syracuse and add a Siena? Well they are both upstate and begin with the letter "S".
Lose a Uconn and add a Northeastern? Well they were both coached by Jim Calhoun.
Lose a Dayton and add Detroit Mercy? Isn't half of Detroit abandoned?
IF Butler opts not to join? Goodbye the Indiana market.
No VCU? How about adding CU? Just leave out the "V". You can't get any more "Catholic" than Catholic University!
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how anyone can find something good in all this is beyond me. it's the usual mishandling of sports "franchises" by college presidents who think you bounce the ball with both hands.
 
Maybe the new conference could absorb some travel costs if Gonzaga and St. Mary's comes
on board. Gonzaga is a big time program and would really enhance the new conference !!
 
Forget about Detroit Mercy, Northeastern, St. Joseph's, Temple, Dayton.
Bring in serious programs only. Butler, Gonzaga, Xavier, St. Louis.
There will still be some movement in conference realignment the next three
years, so be patient and maybe we'll grab someone great !!
 
Courtesy of John Feinstein:http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...eaa870-7876-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

There has been a good deal of speculation about who the other schools in the new league might be since the Catholic 7 informed the Big East in December that they were leaving the floundering league. In all likelihood, four schools are virtual locks to be invited: Dayton, Xavier, Saint Louis and Butler. The first three are Catholic schools. DeGioia and friends would probably be willing to make an exception for Butler because the school has become a national basketball power and would make the league’s television package a good deal more lucrative.

The conference leaders want six eastern and six western — really, midwestern — schools. The eastern division of the league will consist of Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence and either Richmond (also a non-Catholic school) or Siena — a late entry but a potentially appealing one because it’s a Catholic school that (more importantly) plays in a 15,500-seat arena in Albany, N.Y.

The western conference would consist of Marquette, DePaul, Saint Louis, Xavier, Dayton and Butler. If Butler decides not to leave the Atlantic 10 — which it joined only this season — or if the presidents decide to go with Catholic schools only, the University of Detroit Mercy would come into the picture. Creighton, another Catholic school considered a potential candidate, is considered too far west (Omaha, Neb.) for teams in non-revenue sports to travel.

Two Atlantic 10 teams that will not be asked to join the new league are Saint Joseph’s and La Salle, because Villanova would block any move to add another team from Philadelphia.
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Where does this guy get his material?
If half of it is true, the new C7 is slightly screwed.
The Gtown president is in charge because the other presidents have little interest?
Lose a Syracuse and add a Siena? Well they are both upstate and begin with the letter "S".
Lose a Uconn and add a Northeastern? Well they were both coached by Jim Calhoun.
Lose a Dayton and add Detroit Mercy? Isn't half of Detroit abandoned?
IF Butler opts not to join? Goodbye the Indiana market.
No VCU? How about adding CU? Just leave out the "V". You can't get any more "Catholic" than Catholic University!
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how anyone can find something good in all this is beyond me. it's the usual mishandling of sports "franchises" by college presidents who think you bounce the ball with both hands.
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Would love to see Gonzaga join the conference, if only for basketball. (Didn't Boise State initially join the BE for football only?) Games with teams on the East Coast -- which would be the tough part of travel -- could be scheduled so that more than one game would be played a single trip. Adding the Zags would be a huge boost to the conference, and I hope the "C7" schools (how I hate to use that term!) explore every scenario in order to bring them on.
 
Would love to see Gonzaga join the conference, if only for basketball. (Didn't Boise State initially join the BE for football only?) Games with teams on the East Coast -- which would be the tough part of travel -- could be scheduled so that more than one game would be played a single trip. Adding the Zags would be a huge boost to the conference, and I hope the "C7" schools (how I hate to use that term!) explore every scenario in order to bring them on.[/quote]
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SDSU also joined for football only. Both Boise State and SDSU didn't want their other sports in the conference for the same reason many think Gonzaga and St Mary's won't work --- travel costs for their non-football sports would cost too much to be worthwhile. Maybe the Big Whatever Conf would agree to subsidize some of the cost.

We'd best hope the powers that be decide to include non-Catholic schools. If not the A-10 will be breathing one big sigh of relief. The Big Whatever Conference will be adding teams and won't be interested in the two best A-10 teams, Butler and VCU.

I can't believe the president of Georgetown is in charge of this. As I written many times Georgetown is not to be trusted. They'd be out the door in a micro-second if the ACC came calling. I don't think that have any great interest in this league.
 
I find it hard to believe what Feinstein is babbling for a couple reasons. Primarily the Siena garbage he's spewing. 2nd is Gtown was supposedly the last school to sign on. Now all of a sudden they are leading the charge and the other President's are not enthusiastic? Please. I know for a fact STJ and Marquette are heavily involved. Feinstein should go move to Tobacco Road.
 
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