All Realignment Talk Here

The Big East name means a lot to me but this could be our best option:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ll-schools-creating-21-team-conference-source
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Yech....
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I agree but it might be time to acknowledge that the Big East is officially dead. We (the basketball schools) can't take the Big East brand with us since Temple has a vote as a full member. So do we want to join a quality basketball league with a lot of like-minded programs or stay in the Big East with our 7 schools and half of Conference USA still a slave to football.

Instead of still trying to find ways to hold on to the Big East just because of the name, I think we're far enough in the game now that we have to find our best landing spot for the future. In my opinion it might be the A10.

If we start a new conference there are no guarantees that the A10 teams we want come with us. And new conferences have a probationary period where we'd most likely have no automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament for the first few years.

We'd still have the Garden as a home court and the A10 tournament is at the Barclays so getting to the tournament isn't a problem.

It's not the ideal but I think it's finally where we're at.
 
After Louisville, Rutgers, Notre Dame, along with Pitt and Syracuse announced for ACC/Big these past few months and with Cincy and Uconn courting the ACC, the Emerging Irrelevance of the Big East as a national player in both basketball and football is apparent. Unfortunate that BB alone will not pay the bills or attract the coaches and players needed to avoid the "mid-major" label.
Once Cincy and Uconn depart, I see MSG pulling the plug on the Big East contract after 2014. For heaven sake, even Villanova applied for ACC membership!
Without TV $$ every college football program in America loses money except for a couple of dozen football factories like UT, ND, Alabama, etc. Football not only killed the Big East, it killed most NCAA sports affiliations and the NCAA power to oversee them.
While the NCAA is examining whether Orlando Sanchez took 12 credits of Dominican courses in basket artistry, the Big football schools and ESPN are having an orgy of greed in plain sight.
That some noodle heads here even mention St. Francis and St. Joe's in the regurgitation of the mini-Big East shows how removed they are from the cliff that is the Big East's seemingly uncontrolable decline. That after the ESPN negotiations ended and no takers lined up for a TV deal says mountains about the instability. That Cincy and Uconn publicly "mourn" being left in the Big East is shameful. If I werer the remaining BE BB school presidents I would vote for their immediate expulsion and have them BEG other conferences for games. They, along with all the departing schools, will be unloyal partners in the next couple of years and no television organization will offer a decent deal now that they have all departed and have gone public with their betrayal. It has become a Big East PR nightmare!
What is needed is a long, bitter court battle to bleed these programs and publicly humiliate them at every opportunity.
Sadly, we have learned that college football and to a lesser extent, basketball, is focused on exploiting young athletes for college profits that the college presidents have no intention in sharing with the athletes. All these kids are semi-pros, regardless of their talent, playing for minimum wage. That they are provided with a free education is just an inexpensive ancillary benefit the colleges absorb.
Shame on this sham of American college sports. Shame on the NCAA. Shame on the "Catholic" schools for allowing the rape of their conference while staying silent as long as they got their "cut".
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Noodle head ? Is that necessary? Nice way to make your argument IAM not to blame for this mess take your Anger out on the right people ! the catholic schools would be more loyal was my point its not hard for a midmajor to elevate its BB program in these times Holy Cross is boston StF is Brooklyn St.Joes philly. the citys & arenas with a top coach could help them climb up the ladder to replace a weak Rutgers , & boondocks Scuse whos losing Boheim
You have a happy holiday class of 72
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Your vision of the future is truly scary! St. Francis is Brooklyn? LIU is more Brooklyn with Barclays down the block!
 
Diehard Johnny wrote
! the catholic schools would be more loyal was my point

Not quite. Boston College really started this mess way back when, after their solidarity meeting with the Big East.
Miami and V Tech belonged in the ACC. Not that school. Thankfully they got what they deserved. Empty Conte forum and complete irrelevance.
 
Diehard Johnny wrote
! the catholic schools would be more loyal was my point

Not quite. Boston College really started this mess way back when, after their solidarity meeting with the Big East.
Miami and V Tech belonged in the ACC. Not that school. Thankfully they got what they deserved. Empty Conte forum and complete irrelevance.
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I'd say Cuse started all this. After BC and them left, we were still easily the best conference with tons of storied programs. Cuse was the finger that hit the first domino and sent the rest falling.
 
Q&A with Marquette AD

http://t.co/DSfCDxvV
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The best Q&A has to be:
"On Tulane joining the Big East:

“I was not pleased that we issued an invitation to Tulane without any diligence to what effect that would have on our basketball product, the draw on our RPI and other such things. I was disappointed that I wasn’t able to participate as a member of the conference in the deliberation that went into adding that. There might be well articulated and very deep reasons why you would do it otherwise. But dog-gone-it, I’m not concerned about that. I’m concerned about making sure that Marquette is in a position that it can take advantage of the great investment it’s made in being successful in basketball.”

It shows the basketball schools that made the Big East that they were not part of any of these football discussions. It shows that the football schools are strictly looking out for themselves, even if it means destroying the conference. If shows why Pitt conspired to kill the ESPN offer and then negotiate to leave with the ACC. It shows that we should not have trusted the good father at Notre Dame to head the football reorg planning while THEY were planning to leave the Big East. It shows that John Marinatto was a complete incompetent manager who should have gone after Xavier and Butler in 2009 and poached Maryland before the Big got to them, etc., etc.

Yes, Big East, WHO were the schools that wanted and approved TooLame???????
 
Lets face it the options are all garbage. The conference is subpar and the current members have every right to be angry about Tulane being admitted. The A10 option is garbage too. 21 basketball schools, more than half of whom are not very good. The best option IMO is clear. Drop the big east brand and name. Dissolve the conference by having the 7 non fbs schools leave. We take St. John's, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, DePaul, providence, and seton hall and bail. With those 7 schools we take this pitch to Duke, NC State, and wake Forest... You will never be relavemt in football. Set the precedent to have your football schools as independents and join this exclusive basketball conference. Then we screw the A10 over by sniping Butler and Xavier. There you have it folks, a 12 team basketball super conference.
 
Lets face it the options are all garbage. The conference is subpar and the current members have every right to be angry about Tulane being admitted. The A10 option is garbage too. 21 basketball schools, more than half of whom are not very good. The best option IMO is clear. Drop the big east brand and name. Dissolve the conference by having the 7 non fbs schools leave. We take St. John's, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, DePaul, providence, and seton hall and bail. With those 7 schools we take this pitch to Duke, NC State, and wake Forest... You will never be relavemt in football. Set the precedent to have your football schools as independents and join this exclusive basketball conference. Then we screw the A10 over by sniping Butler and Xavier. There you have it folks, a 12 team basketball super conference.
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LMAO!
You had me for a minute until you mentioned Duke, Wake and NCST! LOL!
BTW, the knuckleheads that think a 21 team mid-major BB conference is feasible are obviously very poor at math!
St. John's would go from earning 1.2 million in a watered down Big East to $250K in the HUGE A10. Goodbye Lavin...Hello Tom Pecora!
 
Lets face it the options are all garbage. The conference is subpar and the current members have every right to be angry about Tulane being admitted. The A10 option is garbage too. 21 basketball schools, more than half of whom are not very good. The best option IMO is clear. Drop the big east brand and name. Dissolve the conference by having the 7 non fbs schools leave. We take St. John's, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, DePaul, providence, and seton hall and bail. With those 7 schools we take this pitch to Duke, NC State, and wake Forest... You will never be relavemt in football. Set the precedent to have your football schools as independents and join this exclusive basketball conference. Then we screw the A10 over by sniping Butler and Xavier. There you have it folks, a 12 team basketball super conference.
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LMAO!
You had me for a minute until you mentioned Duke, Wake and NCST! LOL!
BTW, the knuckleheads that think a 21 team mid-major BB conference is feasible are obviously very poor at math!
St. John's would go from earning 1.2 million in a watered down Big East to $250K in the HUGE A10. Goodbye Lavin...Hello Tom Pecora!
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If BE tv contract talks end up with a 60-80 million a year as some have speculated the bb schools might wind up with 1 million a year, slightly less than the 1.2-1.3 million they now get. One source said Aresco was talking of 100 million a year which would give the bb schools 2 million a year. If they go out on their own they'd be lucky if they got half of what they're now getting. If they go out on their own they'd be lucky to get twice what the A-10 schools are now getting.
 
Q&A with Marquette AD

http://t.co/DSfCDxvV
Click to expand...

The best Q&A has to be:
"On Tulane joining the Big East:

“I was not pleased that we issued an invitation to Tulane without any diligence to what effect that would have on our basketball product, the draw on our RPI and other such things. I was disappointed that I wasn’t able to participate as a member of the conference in the deliberation that went into adding that. There might be well articulated and very deep reasons why you would do it otherwise. But dog-gone-it, I’m not concerned about that. I’m concerned about making sure that Marquette is in a position that it can take advantage of the great investment it’s made in being successful in basketball.”

It shows the basketball schools that made the Big East that they were not part of any of these football discussions. It shows that the football schools are strictly looking out for themselves, even if it means destroying the conference. If shows why Pitt conspired to kill the ESPN offer and then negotiate to leave with the ACC. It shows that we should not have trusted the good father at Notre Dame to head the football reorg planning while THEY were planning to leave the Big East. It shows that John Marinatto was a complete incompetent manager who should have gone after Xavier and Butler in 2009 and poached Maryland before the Big got to them, etc., etc.

Yes, Big East, WHO were the schools that wanted and approved TooLame???????
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As I understand it in order to be admitted as member a school needs 75% of the vote from member schools.

Since there are only 4 schools with fb who can vote (UCONN, Temple, USF, CINCY) and at least 8 votes would be needed to be accepted that would mean at least 4 or the 7 bb schools have to vote for Tulane.
 
The memory of road trips to early February games played at Tulane should not be discounted. Not a great sports school but that city does indeed know how to party.
 
http://zagsblog.com/temple/temple-can-stop-catholic-dissolution-of-big-east/

The latest is that apparently Temple has not voting rights yet.

This is my favorite line:
"They have a couple of good schools and they have some nice quality across the board, but I certainly, and I know I’m being sort of a homer here, but I certainly think the Big East basketball schools present a profile that is superior to what the depth of the A-10 is.”

In a perfect world, we will dissolve the big east, keep the brand and

St. Johns
Marquette
DePaul
Georgetonw
Providence
Seton Hall
Villanova

Invite:
Butler
Xavier
Dayton
Creighton
Temple (Basketball only)

nice and even 12
 
This is great news. Temple apparently can't stop us from dissolving the Big East.

http://zagsblog.com/temple/temple-can-stop-catholic-dissolution-of-big-east/
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Well I certainly like the Marquette AD's quotes

"When you think about the A-10, I don’t even really view the remnants of the Big East in the same light as I do the A-10,” he said.

“There’s no Georgetown in the A-10. Georgetown has won a national championship. There’s no Marquette in the A-10. They’ve not won a national championship in their history. They have a couple of good schools and they have some nice quality across the board, but I certainly, and I know I’m being sort of a homer here, but I certainly think the Big East basketball schools present a profile that is superior to what the depth of the A-10 is.”
 
This is great news. Temple apparently can't stop us from dissolving the Big East.

http://zagsblog.com/temple/temple-can-stop-catholic-dissolution-of-big-east/
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Well I certainly like the Marquette AD's quotes

"When you think about the A-10, I don’t even really view the remnants of the Big East in the same light as I do the A-10,” he said.

“There’s no Georgetown in the A-10. Georgetown has won a national championship. There’s no Marquette in the A-10. They’ve not won a national championship in their history. They have a couple of good schools and they have some nice quality across the board, but I certainly, and I know I’m being sort of a homer here, but I certainly think the Big East basketball schools present a profile that is superior to what the depth of the A-10 is.”
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I whole-heartedly agree.

Dissolving the Big East and starting this thing over again is the most appealing option to me (whether we keep the Big East name or not). Not paying exit fees, getting our share of the NCAA Tournament pot and being able to kind of control the destiny of what conference we want to be in instead of latching on to the A10 or being in a sad, desperate Big East that doesn't even come close to resembling the Big East that we all loved.
 
This is great news. Temple apparently can't stop us from dissolving the Big East.

http://zagsblog.com/temple/temple-can-stop-catholic-dissolution-of-big-east/
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Well I certainly like the Marquette AD's quotes

"When you think about the A-10, I don’t even really view the remnants of the Big East in the same light as I do the A-10,” he said.

“There’s no Georgetown in the A-10. Georgetown has won a national championship. There’s no Marquette in the A-10. They’ve not won a national championship in their history. They have a couple of good schools and they have some nice quality across the board, but I certainly, and I know I’m being sort of a homer here, but I certainly think the Big East basketball schools present a profile that is superior to what the depth of the A-10 is.”
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He should be in charge of whatever it is the basketball schools are trying to do.
 
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