All Realignment Talk Here

East
SJU
Gtown
Seton Hall
Providence
Villanova
George Mason

West
Marquette
DePaul
St. Louis
Dayton
Butler
Xavier

16-game conference schedule. You play every one in your division home and home, everyone in the other division one a year with a three home, three away split.
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The BE bb schools are not in agreement to disband the conference. If they were, and they currently have the votes to do it, they could have done so at their last meeting. Instead, with the help of votes from the bb schools, East Carolina and Tulane were added to the conference. $$$.
 
I'm for giving new BE a chance. I hope they get a good tv deal, as the markets they're in are great. The new guys might be geared up and devoted to having top notch programs. If the basketball schools feel they're getting humped, that would be a time to think about making other arrangements.
 
East
SJU
Gtown
Seton Hall
Providence
Villanova
George Mason

West
Marquette
DePaul
St. Louis
Dayton
Butler
Xavier

16-game conference schedule. You play every one in your division home and home, everyone in the other division one a year with a three home, three away split.
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The BE bb schools are not in agreement to disband the conference. If they were, and they currently have the votes to do it, they could have done so at their last meeting. Instead, with the help of votes from the bb schools, East Carolina and Tulane were added to the conference. $$$.
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They have the votes until 7-1-13.
Why not wait and try to collect some more early exit fees?
 
East
SJU
Gtown
Seton Hall
Providence
Villanova
George Mason

West
Marquette
DePaul
St. Louis
Dayton
Butler
Xavier

16-game conference schedule. You play every one in your division home and home, everyone in the other division one a year with a three home, three away split.
Click to expand...

____________

The BE bb schools are not in agreement to disband the conference. If they were, and they currently have the votes to do it, they could have done so at their last meeting. Instead, with the help of votes from the bb schools, East Carolina and Tulane were added to the conference. $$$.
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They have the votes until 7-1-13.
Why not wait and try to collect some more early exit fees?
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That is correct Tom! By attrition alone, the remaining schools will collect more in exit fees than a 5 year TV deal! This is easy money over the short term. Once the dust settles and the scumbags from Uconn, Louisveille, Cincy are gone, the Big East may become the Big Easy but they will still get 5 to 7 NCAA BB bids per year and play in the Garden. Yes, smaller TV revenue but the low life's that were destroying the Big East from within....Pitt, ND, Syracuse and Uconn will be gone and hopefully rotting in the ACC. The ACC, even with Uconn or whomever, hopefully suffers bad Karma and loses (1) their lawsuit against Maryland, who voted against the $50 million exit, (2) then loses Fla State and Clemson, and (3) loses Jim Boeheim, coach Ratface, and Slick Rick to Heart Attacks.
 
That is correct Tom! By attrition alone, the remaining schools will collect more in exit fees than a 5 year TV deal! This is easy money over the short term. Once the dust settles and the scumbags from Uconn, Louisveille, Cincy are gone, the Big East may become the Big Easy but they will still get 5 to 7 NCAA BB bids per year and play in the Garden. Yes, smaller TV revenue but the low life's that were destroying the Big East from within....Pitt, ND, Syracuse and Uconn will be gone and hopefully rotting in the ACC. The ACC, even with Uconn or whomever, hopefully suffers bad Karma and loses (1) their lawsuit against Maryland, who voted against the $50 million exit, (2) then loses Fla State and Clemson, and (3) loses Jim Boeheim, coach Ratface, and Slick Rick to Heart Attacks

Kind of harsh, but I agree with some of the sentiment. However, these schools are trying to protect their football in which they have millions invested. Remember St. John's dismantled their meager football team for lack of funds, while these schools budgets are astronomical. St. John's , if offered, and in the same predicament, may do the same thing. The guilty parties here are the ACC and Boston College. They started this mess, as far as the Big East is concerned..
 
East
SJU
Gtown
Seton Hall
Providence
Villanova
George Mason

West
Marquette
DePaul
St. Louis
Dayton
Butler
Xavier

16-game conference schedule. You play every one in your division home and home, everyone in the other division one a year with a three home, three away split.
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I like your list Della. However, there is really no money without football money of some kind. Once the dust settles look for the BE to add Xavier that will offset the loss of Cincy. They may add Butler to offset Louisvile for the Indianapolis market and a slight chance they add UMass to offset Uconn.
On the basketball side of the equation, schools like St. John's, Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, Memphis and Temple will be perrenial NCAA teams.
On the football side, if Florida St and one other ACC school leaves, they will be just as strong, TV wise, than the ACC, with Boise, Navy, Tulane, SMU, SDST, Houston, UCF, USF, ECU, Temple.
I have officially given the ACC "le corne" and their demise is a special prayer by me at Sunday Mass.
 
whats less expensive.....starting a successful football program again? UCONN did it, or starting a BB only league. we should of invested in the football program and not disbanded it, now maybe we could of been one of the ones accepting a lucrative deal.
 
let's try a little logic most of us can agree on.

1. coaches are your most important asset. it begins and ends with them.

2. college sport ratings have NOTHING to do with major markets. it's about fan base. notre dame is in south bend and they write their own ticket. they'll have two shots at a bcs bowl down the road where the major conferences will have one. can you find south bend on a map? bloomington? ann arbor? tuscaloosa? the big ten has it's own network. forget major markets. it's the biggest myth on this board. ESPN/NBC aren't salivating over whether it has the nyc/washington dc/chicago markets locked up when it comes to football or hoops. get it out of your mind!

3. football money enables schools to pay top dollar for coaches. successful coaches usually move on to the top conferences that can afford them. no one is inventing the wheel here. when it comes to coaches, you get what you pay for.

4. a "catholic" conference without football looks good TODAY. talking about going back to our roots sounds good TODAY. seven teams could go to the dance TODAY. however, many, if not most, of those coaches will move on to the big boys who'll offer mega contracts the "catholic" conference can't afford...not without football. that leads to the slippery slope that brings you to mid major land. more and more "catholic" schools will take norm robertesque chances on their new coaches. you're hoping pitino, boeheim, etc will leave someday? believe me, they'll be replaced with the highest caliber, most expensive coaches out there. lavin leaves and we're hoping for a diamond in the rough. father harrington will be too busy getting fitted for suits in hong kong to care...and mr. repole isn't a bottomless pit.

5. the big east is in a bad spot footballwise and always has been. east coast football is garbage. acc football is garbage. adding a perennial loser like syracuse isn't going to help that conference. granted, a team or two will crack the top 20. no one ever talked about big east or acc football in the same breath as the pac 10...the big 10...the southeast conference...the big 12. that puts the conference in a tough spot where it HAS to bring in teams from other parts of the country.

6. big east basketball has to do the same if it's to survive at a top level. that's why you need a mega conference with creative ways to make it work. a mega conference that includes schools that play football could bring in the bucks to make it survive at a top level. remember, ccny and nyu were number one in the country at various points. where are they today? san francisco won two national championships. maybe they'll come back. maybe. gonzaga? what happens when their coach leaves? you think they'll scare anyone?

please, no more of this "catholic" league crap. it won't be long before the big boys will "buy" wins against former name teams like st john's. sure it's late...the time to be aggressive is now. if the current commissioner is sitting in a corner sucking his thumb, find a new one. i'd also sue the bcs for a billion for downgrading the conference and the acc for its predatory destruction of the big east. i'll leave that partto the lawyers.
 
Interesting rant

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/st...re-in-danger-of-being-run-over-by-realignment
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"Meanwhile, the Atlantic 10 is firming up its basketball. The A-10 has added VCU and Butler to the likes of Xavier, Richmond and Saint Joseph's. The A-10 knows what it is, and is trying to get stronger."

the A10 looks like a great place for St Johns, Georgetown and Uconn right now, the money might now be there yet but looking at the future, it will be with the right players. Contracts can always be renegotiated after major changes.
 
let's try a little logic most of us can agree on.

1. coaches are your most important asset. it begins and ends with them.

2. college sport ratings have NOTHING to do with major markets. it's about fan base. notre dame is in south bend and they write their own ticket. they'll have two shots at a bcs bowl down the road where the major conferences will have one. can you find south bend on a map? bloomington? ann arbor? tuscaloosa? the big ten has it's own network. forget major markets. it's the biggest myth on this board. ESPN/NBC aren't salivating over whether it has the nyc/washington dc/chicago markets locked up when it comes to football or hoops. get it out of your mind!

3. football money enables schools to pay top dollar for coaches. successful coaches usually move on to the top conferences that can afford them. no one is inventing the wheel here. when it comes to coaches, you get what you pay for.

4. a "catholic" conference without football looks good TODAY. talking about going back to our roots sounds good TODAY. seven teams could go to the dance TODAY. however, many, if not most, of those coaches will move on to the big boys who'll offer mega contracts the "catholic" conference can't afford...not without football. that leads to the slippery slope that brings you to mid major land. more and more "catholic" schools will take norm robertesque chances on their new coaches. you're hoping pitino, boeheim, etc will leave someday? believe me, they'll be replaced with the highest caliber, most expensive coaches out there. lavin leaves and we're hoping for a diamond in the rough. father harrington will be too busy getting fitted for suits in hong kong to care...and mr. repole isn't a bottomless pit.

5. the big east is in a bad spot footballwise and always has been. east coast football is garbage. acc football is garbage. adding a perennial loser like syracuse isn't going to help that conference. granted, a team or two will crack the top 20. no one ever talked about big east or acc football in the same breath as the pac 10...the big 10...the southeast conference...the big 12. that puts the conference in a tough spot where it HAS to bring in teams from other parts of the country.

6. big east basketball has to do the same if it's to survive at a top level. that's why you need a mega conference with creative ways to make it work. a mega conference that includes schools that play football could bring in the bucks to make it survive at a top level. remember, ccny and nyu were number one in the country at various points. where are they today? san francisco won two national championships. maybe they'll come back. maybe. gonzaga? what happens when their coach leaves? you think they'll scare anyone?

please, no more of this "catholic" league crap. it won't be long before the big boys will "buy" wins against former name teams like st john's. sure it's late...the time to be aggressive is now. if the current commissioner is sitting in a corner sucking his thumb, find a new one. i'd also sue the bcs for a billion for downgrading the conference and the acc for its predatory destruction of the big east. i'll leave that partto the lawyers.
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Who are the 32 teams in your mega conference?
 
honestly, this whole thing has gotten me sick. I really dont see SJU ending up in a better situation than it had in the old Big East. Coach Lavin would be huge if he stayed throughout. I dont see that happening. I can envision him heading back out to UCLA sometime. I thonk everyone is talking about this Catholic league stuff because of the security it will hold. There wont be defections, there will be solidarity and stability. The key to that league will be strong coaches which we will have. Plus, Coach Lav, JTIII, Buzz Williams, Cooley, and Jay Wright are all young coaches with years of coaching ahead of them. Boeheim will be gone soon and Calhoun is already gone. I truly think it can work. Finances are something that none of us are too schooled on here, so im not familiar with all the logistics. I can speak for most of the fans, and we want the old league back. Well, here is our chance! BTW, ESPN had good article on the Ivy league, what college sports is REALLY about.
 
let's try a little logic most of us can agree on.

2. college sport ratings have NOTHING to do with major markets. it's about fan base. notre dame is in south bend and they write their own ticket. they'll have two shots at a bcs bowl down the road where the major conferences will have one. can you find south bend on a map? bloomington? ann arbor? tuscaloosa? the big ten has it's own network. forget major markets. it's the biggest myth on this board. ESPN/NBC aren't salivating over whether it has the nyc/washington dc/chicago markets locked up when it comes to football or hoops. get it out of your mind!
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Did you think through this comment at all before you typed it?
The Big10 just added Rutgers (and Maryland) do you think they did that because of the size of Rutgers' alumni base??
Hell no, it's because those teams reside in NY and DC.
The PAC12 last year added Colorado and Utah, and openly admitted at the time they were doing so because it added the Denver and Salt Lake tv markets to their bargaining power.

4. a "catholic" conference without football looks good TODAY. talking about going back to our roots sounds good TODAY. seven teams could go to the dance TODAY. however, many, if not most, of those coaches will move on to the big boys who'll offer mega contracts the "catholic" conference can't afford...not without football. that leads to the slippery slope that brings you to mid major land. more and more "catholic" schools will take norm robertesque chances on their new coaches.
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You do know that we don't get any of the football money right? Zero. Not even a cent.
We get 1 share of the basketball portion of the media contracts. That's it.



6. big east basketball has to do the same if it's to survive at a top level. that's why you need a mega conference with creative ways to make it work. a mega conference that includes schools that play football could bring in the bucks to make it survive at a top level. remember, ccny and nyu were number one in the country at various points. where are they today? san francisco won two national championships. maybe they'll come back. maybe. gonzaga? what happens when their coach leaves? you think they'll scare anyone?
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Facts taken completely out of context. CCNY and NYU decided to reign in their sports programs long before television revenue became a driving force in college athletics. And basketball only schools do well from mid major conferences every March. If it's not Gonzaga then it's Butler or Xavier. The idea that you need football to compete with the big conferences is simply a falshehood.

And you have no idea how much revenue a basketball only league would bring in. You cannot compare a catholic basketball league to the A-10; the new league would have much bigger brands and bigger presences in the major markets.

Plus, and people are continually ignoring this point; travel costs are not insignificant.
If you reduce the expenses of traveling to Pepperdine for a Wednesday night game - you enable smaller athletic departments to compete with their limited resources.

Finally, there is a point of diminishing returns. You've advocated 32 teams. You have no idea what kind of contract offer a league like that would get - and neither do I; but it stands to reason that a network is willing to pay just as much for a 24 team league as one with 32 teams. There is only so much inventory they are looking to purchase. How many games can they air per season? Why are you looking to split the pot an inordinate amount of ways?
At some point more teams means less money for everyone individually.


i'd also sue the [..] the acc for its predatory destruction of the big east.
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You're going to sue the ACC because YOUR conference's teams voluntarily left to make more money with them?
Good luck with that.
 
let's try a little logic most of us can agree on.

2. college sport ratings have NOTHING to do with major markets. it's about fan base. notre dame is in south bend and they write their own ticket. they'll have two shots at a bcs bowl down the road where the major conferences will have one. can you find south bend on a map? bloomington? ann arbor? tuscaloosa? the big ten has it's own network. forget major markets. it's the biggest myth on this board. ESPN/NBC aren't salivating over whether it has the nyc/washington dc/chicago markets locked up when it comes to football or hoops. get it out of your mind!
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Did you think through this comment at all before you typed it?
The Big10 just added Rutgers (and Maryland) do you think they did that because of the size of Rutgers' alumni base??
Hell no, it's because those teams reside in NY and DC.
The PAC12 last year added Colorado and Utah, and openly admitted at the time they were doing so because it added the Denver and Salt Lake tv markets to their bargaining power.

4. a "catholic" conference without football looks good TODAY. talking about going back to our roots sounds good TODAY. seven teams could go to the dance TODAY. however, many, if not most, of those coaches will move on to the big boys who'll offer mega contracts the "catholic" conference can't afford...not without football. that leads to the slippery slope that brings you to mid major land. more and more "catholic" schools will take norm robertesque chances on their new coaches.
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You do know that we don't get any of the football money right? Zero. Not even a cent.
We get 1 share of the basketball portion of the media contracts. That's it.



6. big east basketball has to do the same if it's to survive at a top level. that's why you need a mega conference with creative ways to make it work. a mega conference that includes schools that play football could bring in the bucks to make it survive at a top level. remember, ccny and nyu were number one in the country at various points. where are they today? san francisco won two national championships. maybe they'll come back. maybe. gonzaga? what happens when their coach leaves? you think they'll scare anyone?
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Facts taken completely out of context. CCNY and NYU decided to reign in their sports programs long before television revenue became a driving force in college athletics. And basketball only schools do well from mid major conferences every March. If it's not Gonzaga then it's Butler or Xavier. The idea that you need football to compete with the big conferences is simply a falshehood.

And you have no idea how much revenue a basketball only league would bring in. You cannot compare a catholic basketball league to the A-10; the new league would have much bigger brands and bigger presences in the major markets.

Plus, and people are continually ignoring this point; travel costs are not insignificant.
If you reduce the expenses of traveling to Pepperdine for a Wednesday night game - you enable smaller athletic departments to compete with their limited resources.

Finally, there is a point of diminishing returns. You've advocated 32 teams. You have no idea what kind of contract offer a league like that would get - and neither do I; but it stands to reason that a network is willing to pay just as much for a 24 team league as one with 32 teams. There is only so much inventory they are looking to purchase. How many games can they air per season? Why are you looking to split the pot an inordinate amount of ways?
At some point more teams means less money for everyone individually.


i'd also sue the [..] the acc for its predatory destruction of the big east.
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You're going to sue the ACC because YOUR conference's teams voluntarily left to make more money with them?
Good luck with that.
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Rutgers is not in NY, it's in NJ.
 
let's try a little logic most of us can agree on.

1. coaches are your most important asset. it begins and ends with them.

2. college sport ratings have NOTHING to do with major markets. it's about fan base. notre dame is in south bend and they write their own ticket. they'll have two shots at a bcs bowl down the road where the major conferences will have one. can you find south bend on a map? bloomington? ann arbor? tuscaloosa? the big ten has it's own network. forget major markets. it's the biggest myth on this board. ESPN/NBC aren't salivating over whether it has the nyc/washington dc/chicago markets locked up when it comes to football or hoops. get it out of your mind!

3. football money enables schools to pay top dollar for coaches. successful coaches usually move on to the top conferences that can afford them. no one is inventing the wheel here. when it comes to coaches, you get what you pay for.

4. a "catholic" conference without football looks good TODAY. talking about going back to our roots sounds good TODAY. seven teams could go to the dance TODAY. however, many, if not most, of those coaches will move on to the big boys who'll offer mega contracts the "catholic" conference can't afford...not without football. that leads to the slippery slope that brings you to mid major land. more and more "catholic" schools will take norm robertesque chances on their new coaches. you're hoping pitino, boeheim, etc will leave someday? believe me, they'll be replaced with the highest caliber, most expensive coaches out there. lavin leaves and we're hoping for a diamond in the rough. father harrington will be too busy getting fitted for suits in hong kong to care...and mr. repole isn't a bottomless pit.

5. the big east is in a bad spot footballwise and always has been. east coast football is garbage. acc football is garbage. adding a perennial loser like syracuse isn't going to help that conference. granted, a team or two will crack the top 20. no one ever talked about big east or acc football in the same breath as the pac 10...the big 10...the southeast conference...the big 12. that puts the conference in a tough spot where it HAS to bring in teams from other parts of the country.

6. big east basketball has to do the same if it's to survive at a top level. that's why you need a mega conference with creative ways to make it work. a mega conference that includes schools that play football could bring in the bucks to make it survive at a top level. remember, ccny and nyu were number one in the country at various points. where are they today? san francisco won two national championships. maybe they'll come back. maybe. gonzaga? what happens when their coach leaves? you think they'll scare anyone?

please, no more of this "catholic" league crap. it won't be long before the big boys will "buy" wins against former name teams like st john's. sure it's late...the time to be aggressive is now. if the current commissioner is sitting in a corner sucking his thumb, find a new one. i'd also sue the bcs for a billion for downgrading the conference and the acc for its predatory destruction of the big east. i'll leave that partto the lawyers.
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very accurate assessment.
 
That would be a pretty good group, although the west division might wish to include Creighton, and Duquesne might be a better choice that G. Mason. The post-season tourney could alternate between MSG and a midwest site.
Question - Does anyone have an educated guess as to what our share of the exit penalty fee is so far. From memory, the fees are :TCU- 5 mill, WVU- 20m, Syracuse and Pit- 7.5m each, ND-?, Rutgers and Louisville - 10m each. Should be a nice parting gift.
 
I'm for giving new BE a chance. I hope they get a good tv deal, as the markets they're in are great. The new guys might be geared up and devoted to having top notch programs. If the basketball schools feel they're getting humped, that would be a time to think about making other arrangements.
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why not include Memphis, Temple , ? they aren't going anywhere with their football teams. who'd take Memphis or Temple anyway ? You'd rather have those 2 nd rate A!10 Conference USA teams then established basketball powers ? I know football screwed us but we'd screw ourselves even more merging with those other teams. Disband the Big East and have SJU, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Villanova, UConn, Marquete, Providence, Depaul, and invite Memphis, Temple , USF , Butler and Xavier . We can let in the football schools but only for their basketball and other sports. Everyone will agree to join the new BE because where else can they go ?
 
We really need to disband the BE...with all the garbage coming in (Tulane/SMU/UCF/ECU) we become a joke in basketball. IMO if we got the basketball schools all together to start our own conference and name it the Big East (current big east would have to be renamed), we could remain a major conference. Xavier, SJ, SH, Prov, G'Town, Nova, Temple, Memphis, Butler, VCU, etc. is a very strong conference and I think most of us would be very satisfied with that. At the very least we get 4 bids per year and some years as many as 5 might be ranked. Really not that drastically different than the old Big East in terms of NCAA bids and ranked teams. What we lose are the top 10 types of teams, but we can still have the 17-25's in that conference. Why is this not being done? I know we have no leverage in this, but if I were SJ I would go to the ACC, say "Look, I know you are busy with all these football schools, but are you willing to take us or not?" if they say no then we go and start that basketball conference and if they say yes hopefully we get an invite. It's time to do something instead of just sitting there thrown around by currents like seaweed. If we make this hypothetical conference for basketball, I know it sounds nuts, but it might end up being almost as successful as the old Big East.
 
We really need to disband the BE...with all the garbage coming in (Tulane/SMU/UCF/ECU) we become a joke in basketball. IMO if we got the basketball schools all together to start our own conference and name it the Big East (current big east would have to be renamed), we could remain a major conference. Xavier, SJ, SH, Prov, G'Town, Nova, Temple, Memphis, Butler, VCU, etc. is a very strong conference and I think most of us would be very satisfied with that. At the very least we get 4 bids per year and some years as many as 5 might be ranked. Really not that drastically different than the old Big East in terms of NCAA bids and ranked teams. What we lose are the top 10 types of teams, but we can still have the 17-25's in that conference. Why is this not being done? I know we have no leverage in this, but if I were SJ I would go to the ACC, say "Look, I know you are busy with all these football schools, but are you willing to take us or not?" if they say no then we go and start that basketball conference and if they say yes hopefully we get an invite. It's time to do something instead of just sitting there thrown around by currents like seaweed. If we make this hypothetical conference for basketball, I know it sounds nuts, but it might end up being almost as successful as the old Big East.
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+1
Great post Joe.
 
We really need to disband the BE...with all the garbage coming in (Tulane/SMU/UCF/ECU) we become a joke in basketball. IMO if we got the basketball schools all together to start our own conference and name it the Big East (current big east would have to be renamed), we could remain a major conference. Xavier, SJ, SH, Prov, G'Town, Nova, Temple, Memphis, Butler, VCU, etc. is a very strong conference and I think most of us would be very satisfied with that. At the very least we get 4 bids per year and some years as many as 5 might be ranked. Really not that drastically different than the old Big East in terms of NCAA bids and ranked teams. What we lose are the top 10 types of teams, but we can still have the 17-25's in that conference. Why is this not being done? I know we have no leverage in this, but if I were SJ I would go to the ACC, say "Look, I know you are busy with all these football schools, but are you willing to take us or not?" if they say no then we go and start that basketball conference and if they say yes hopefully we get an invite. It's time to do something instead of just sitting there thrown around by currents like seaweed. If we make this hypothetical conference for basketball, I know it sounds nuts, but it might end up being almost as successful as the old Big East.
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I wouldn't exactly call Tulane and SMU garbage . Tulane was 12-0 one year in the late 1990's and went to a bowl. But I hate football teams . I wouldn't mind Memphis or Temple for a while till we get back on our feet. Xaviier and Butler are a must and we'd have a fine league.
The ACC just got Loiusiville and their already upset with Louisvilles academics . I visited Clemsons football forum and Louisville fans were coming on thanking Clemson and Florida for helping them get into the ACC and in the same discussion the Clemson fans were ripping Louisvilles academics, so you know what we'd face if St. John's joined the ACC.
I just hope the ACC blows up and they all go scrambling around for a spot. Wouldn't it be funny if the ACC lost 6 teams just like that and it was Duke, Louisville, Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse and Pitt all by themselves ?

The ACC won't be a major football conference, that should make us all happy.
 
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