Also interesting: Williams College (16%), Marist (29%), Vassar (22%), etc. probably have lower acceptance rates than most of the ACC schools. I know selectivity doesn't always tell the whole story i.e the populations applying to Harvard are not the same as those applying to Vassar, but it still shows they are very good schools too. The only difference is the research capability, bigger sports, and name brands. The students are no better.
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Also interesting: Williams College (16%), Marist (29%), Vassar (22%), etc. probably have lower acceptance rates than most of the ACC schools. I know selectivity doesn't always tell the whole story i.e the populations applying to Harvard are not the same as those applying to Vassar, but it still shows they are very good schools too. The only difference is the research capability, bigger sports, and name brands. The students are no better.
Class of 72
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They took Notre Dame without a football commitment other than 5 games per year and no share of ND's football profits. They took Louisville that has a less than stellar academic profile......so, as the ACC goes, $$$ talks. NONE.....let me repeat, NONE of these moves are about academics and ALL are about TV revenue, wherever that may come from. If it means the DC, NYC, New England Market, the ACC would add SJ, Gtown and Uconn in a heartbeat if they lose Fla St, Virginia, Miami or any other schools.
They'd be foolish not to add SJU, Goergetown, Villanova and UCONN, the football schools would still control the league and they'd be that much better in basketball with bigger markets.
Even though SJU doesn't have a football team, If I see a Big East football game on I watch it for a while and I can't stand football ! I just watch because it's Big East and the same wiould apply to viewers watching ACC games in NY if NY had ACC teams. You know Rutgers and the Big 10 having a presence here is a concern to the ACC.
But they'd only take the BE schools when 6 ACC teams leave.
Della9250
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The ACC took in Notre Dame because when the Irish eventually need a conference for football, the ACC hopes they stay with the ACC. Nothing more, nothing less. It's the reason the Big East took in Notre Dame.
And the gamble is worth it because Notre Dame is Notre Dame.
And the ACC isn't taking Georgetown without a football program. There is a reason that Louisville, Cincy and Uconn were the three finalists. It has nothing to do with basketball.
And the gamble is worth it because Notre Dame is Notre Dame.
And the ACC isn't taking Georgetown without a football program. There is a reason that Louisville, Cincy and Uconn were the three finalists. It has nothing to do with basketball.
The rankings are just dumb. Basically if you are in the top 150 or so, you are already in the top what 5% nationally? There are lots of good schools out there. Stony Brook is a better academic school than some ACC schools or at worst just as good. So is Binghamton and Geneseo. They just don't have huge athletics programs and they aren't as big or as well-known.
jerseyshorejohnny
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Fair enough. His 1996 letter took exception to the methodology, which is a legitimate point of view.
There was no mention of bribery as Joe3 explicitly stated in his original post as far as I can tell.
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/pres-provost/president/speeches/961206gcfallow.html
My entire point was that rankings are elitist and involves connections between administrations and the people who make the rankings. Geneseo, Stony Brook, Marist, Williams College, Vassar, Binghamton, etc. are all very good academic schools full of students just as smart as students at most ACC schools (save for Duke, UNC, etc.). Just because a school is not in the ACC or not well-known doesn't mean its academics aren't top notch. As for SJ, even at 154 or whatever we are ranked, that's out of how many thousands of schools nationally? IMO to even be in those books of the top 350 colleges is an accomplishment in itself. No one will mistake SJ for Harvard, but it's a solid school.
Class of 72
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ND's move to the ACC is baffling. The ACC is still in a state of flux, even with the $50 million exit fee. If they lose Florida State and Clemson to the best football conference in America, the SEC, ND will be left in a very weak football conference....are you sitting James? Yes, even weaker than the Big East! Especially in the money media markets.
ND, has BILLIONS to buy out of the ACC at any time but moving to the ACC is a head-scratcher because the ACC will NOT be one of the 4 football super-conferences that control BCS.
That said, ND's media appeal will do zero for ACC football since they will not be ACC football members and can move their football to the BIG at any time and ND screwed all the NY area alums by abandoning the Big East.
F*ck the Irish!
FKASJU
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Ga Tech approved by Big Ten: http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...tech-approved-by-big-ten-conference-expansion
If G-Tech heads to Big Ten that could open the door for ACC disbanding and the BE basketball schools joining forces with the remaining ex-ACC schoools.
If G-Tech heads to Big Ten that could open the door for ACC disbanding and the BE basketball schools joining forces with the remaining ex-ACC schoools.
tom in salem
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means yukon to ACC
Actually they can't move to the BIG at anytime. It was a shrewd move by the ACC.
By signing Notre Dame to play 5 ACC teams every year they essentially guaranteed that ND won't join any of the rival conferences. Not enough room on the schedule.
Couple that with the 5 games, which will bolster ACC football appeal, and it makes sense to me.
Plus, you have a large chunk of the ND alumni base which lives on the eastern seaboard. (Including Florida, don't kid yourself - plenty of ND snowbirds). ND has been playing "neutral" site games in NY and DC for years... they wouldn't have done that if they didn't have fans in those cities. ACC move makes a lot of sense.
jerseyshorejohnny
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Think you are grossly UNDER rating Williams which is the #1 ranked liberal arts school in the country..
In NO WAY should it be mentionedin the same sentence as Stony Brook, Marist, or Geneseo.
The AVERAGE SAT scores for the entering class is 1410 (math and reading) and an acceptance rate of 17%.
Williams IS on a par with Duke.
For those with half a brain, Williams is a very well known school (nation wide), as I hope you would agree.
The Gumbinator
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I haven't read all of the prior posts, so I may be essentially repeating someone. I'd love to join the ACC, but I don't think that is likely. I think the next best option is to have the remaining 7 BE schools with no D1 football join with 7 of the A-10 schools to form what seems like a pretty decent basketball league.
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St. John’s
Georgetown
Villanova
Marquette
Seton Hall
Providence
Depaul
Xavier
VCU
UMass
Butler
Dayton
St. Joseph’s
Richmond
Rob Lenhart
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If true it just means the BE says goodbye to UCONN sooner rather than later.