All Realignment Talk Here

[bk8664]

Also - if a Big 12 head of conference comes over to you and says:
"Hello Mr. Head AD at Virginia or Clemson, We're putting together a 16 team super football and basketball conference. And fyi, the heads of all these network television channels all know that content is king. There will end up being four super conferences in this country. Those four super conferences will provide hours and hours of content that tv stations will pay premium dollars for, because people like to watch their sports live, and not on tape-delay. We're going to be able to charge and arm and leg for this premium content - because basically it's coming down to an oligopoly of four power conferences. You see it with the Big X and SEC already. We, the Big 12 are moving right along, and the Pac 12 is not far behind.... If you don't join, how are you going to generated the revenue dollars to maintain Title IX quotas? How are you going to pay for women's soccer and women's softball? Are you in, for $10mm more a year than you would otherwise get, or are you out?"

I would guess for that most schools - the answer would be. "I'm in." Because I have an athletics program that I must protect.

 

[bk8664]

When the head of the new Big 12 or SEC TV network committee comes calling UNC, UVA, Clemson or Florida St and says: “Content is king. An oligopoly is forming in college football of four super conferences. We will generate hundreds of hours of premium content for our brand new shiny network. TV sports fans love to watch their in real-time, not on tape-delay. We will be able to charge and arm and a leg for in our upcoming TV deal. Let me ask you this Mr. Commissioner of UVA or UNC or Clemson: How are you going to maintain your title IX quotas? How are you going to pay for women’s soccer or softball? How are you going to keep your facilities state of the art? How? How? How? Listen, if you stick with us you’ll you are pretty much guaranteed to get $10mm more per year vs. if you stick around in your current conference. Are you in or are you out?”
And the answer we all know is, “I’m in.” – and the reason is because these ADs have protect the interests of their programs long term.

It seems like to me because all the brown stuff seems to hitting the rotating metal object all at once - it's good for St. John's. We have to hope that this whole process accelerates and not slows down. I think that if it slows down, it can hurt us recruiting wise. I would rather the band-aid be 'pulled off' all that once. We almost all think that St. John's will be fine because we have MSG and NYC in our back-pocket. Whether in a Big East conference as is, a hybrid mash-up with the ACC - or some kind of basketball-only super conference as some here have proposed. I just hope it doesn't take three years to get there because it might sting a little be in the interim.

Sorry for the above. I know a lot of this has already been said already. I get pretty fired up over this stuff. It's interesting and intriguing - and makes for good fodder to write about on these boards. Thanks for humoring me.

 

[MCNPA]

Just my $0.02 but I don't think you'll see UNC in the big 10. Nothing is going to happen to Penn State. If all this realignment really happens it'll probably all blow back up within the decade.

You really think UNC cares about Duke? All schools care about their own survival. UNC is a massive state institution while Duke is a smll private school. You can bet that nobody with a massive football ambitions wants to get caught outside the "Big 4". That includes UNC who has a lot to lose if they get caught in a league with just Pitt, Cuse, wake, duke etc. Loyalty has been thrown out the window a long time ago.

LMAO MCNPA!!!
"Massive football ambitions"???
That explains Maryland and Rutgers to the Big where in 2-3 years they will be so far removed from BOWL contention, they may as well as joined the Ivy League. UNC and college football are not to be spoken in the same sentence. Since this is a basketball forum I question how a school like Rutgers will ever be able to recruit basketball studs by saying...hey, we are RU, we finished 14th in the Big, you have a future with us.

When all is said and done there will be 5 big football conferences with 3 of their top teams going to bowl games while the rest watch from their arm chairs.......but their ADwithal have an extra $16 million to pay coaches that cannot win, players they cannot recruit and TV audiences that will lose interest in diluted competition.

It's not the bowls that matter. I don't think you see the big picture. They want the state of New Jersey, possibly NY football market and a large research institution with state dollars. There will not be 5 big conferences. There is only plans for 4. ACC wants to be the 5th but they are starting to get picked off now. Maryland and Rutgers were just the beginning. Big 10 will add 2 more and Big 12 will add at least 2 more. Then we look at the SEC who has eyes on schools like v-tech, FSU, Clemson etc. the writing is on the wall and I think the ACC is likely toast when the next grab happens. It was signaled by the ACC losing a big one in Maryland.

 

[MCNPA]

When the head of the new Big 12 or SEC TV network committee comes calling UNC, UVA, Clemson or Florida St and says: “Content is king. An oligopoly is forming in college football of four super conferences. We will generate hundreds of hours of premium content for our brand new shiny network. TV sports fans love to watch their in real-time, not on tape-delay. We will be able to charge and arm and a leg for in our upcoming TV deal. Let me ask you this Mr. Commissioner of UVA or UNC or Clemson: How are you going to maintain your title IX quotas? How are you going to pay for women’s soccer or softball? How are you going to keep your facilities state of the art? How? How? How? Listen, if you stick with us you’ll you are pretty much guaranteed to get $10mm more per year vs. if you stick around in your current conference. Are you in or are you out?”
And the answer we all know is, “I’m in.” – and the reason is because these ADs have protect the interests of their programs long term.

It seems like to me because all the brown stuff seems to hitting the rotating metal object all at once - it's good for St. John's. We have to hope that this whole process accelerates and not slows down. I think that if it slows down, it can hurt us recruiting wise. I would rather the band-aid be 'pulled off' all that once. We almost all think that St. John's will be fine because we have MSG and NYC in our back-pocket. Whether in a Big East conference as is, a hybrid mash-up with the ACC - or some kind of basketball-only super conference as some here have proposed. I just hope it doesn't take three years to get there because it might sting a little be in the interim.

Sorry for the above. I know a lot of this has already been said already. I get pretty fired up over this stuff. It's interesting and intriguing - and makes for good fodder to write about on these boards. Thanks for humoring me.

I'm with you. I think it is good to see the 4 super conferences finally get formed and the ACC destroyed the way it is now. Then the schools that are excluded from big time football and the basketball schools can suck it up and get back to concentrating on having mediocre football but excellent basketball. Even schools like Duke aren't in the plans of any of these big confences. The writing is on the wall.

 

[SJU87]

yes , when they form the 4 conferences things will calm down and weaker football conferences will be more stable.

When the 4 conferences max out in teams they'll be no place to go.

Wouldn't ir be something if the Big East Merged with the ACC and UNC and Duke were in the mix ? we'd have an awesome league. But we'd be around 20 teams, would that violate Federal Anti trust or is it only for the football side ? and why is the gov't involved ?

 

[SJU87]

yes , when they form the 4 conferences things will calm down and weaker football conferences will be more stable.

When the 4 conferences max out in teams they'll be no place to go.

Wouldn't ir be something if the Big East Merged with the ACC and UNC and Duke were in the mix ? we'd have an awesome league. But we'd be around 20 teams, would that violate Federal Anti trust or is it only for the football side ? and why is the gov't involved ?

 

[bk8664]

yes , when they form the 4 conferences things will calm down and weaker football conferences will be more stable.

When the 4 conferences max out in teams they'll be no place to go.

Wouldn't ir be something if the Big East Merged with the ACC and UNC and Duke were in the mix ? we'd have an awesome league. But we'd be around 20 teams, would that violate Federal Anti trust or is it only for the football side ? and why is the gov't involved ?

I doubt any Senator or Representative would want to get involved with this right now - wouldn't they get ridiculed if they focused on anything but the fiscal cliff issues? just a thought.

 

[MCNPA]

yes , when they form the 4 conferences things will calm down and weaker football conferences will be more stable.

When the 4 conferences max out in teams they'll be no place to go.

Wouldn't ir be something if the Big East Merged with the ACC and UNC and Duke were in the mix ? we'd have an awesome league. But we'd be around 20 teams, would that violate Federal Anti trust or is it only for the football side ? and why is the gov't involved ?

UNC IMO will get grabbed by a conference like the Big 10. They're a top notch state University and research institution with high profile sports programs. I really feel UVA and UNC are next 2 destined for Big 10, considering their academic profile.

 

[SJU87]

yes , when they form the 4 conferences things will calm down and weaker football conferences will be more stable.

When the 4 conferences max out in teams they'll be no place to go.

Wouldn't ir be something if the Big East Merged with the ACC and UNC and Duke were in the mix ? we'd have an awesome league. But we'd be around 20 teams, would that violate Federal Anti trust or is it only for the football side ? and why is the gov't involved ?

UNC IMO will get grabbed by a conference like the Big 10. They're a top notch state University and research institution with high profile sports programs. I really feel UVA and UNC are next 2 destined for Big 10, considering their academic profile.

Your probably right but UNC playing midwest teams seems odd. Imagine St. John's having to play midwest teams only ? It would bore the heck out of me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Joe]

It wouldn't surprise me if the BE and ACC aren't in some kind of preliminary talks already. A super Basketball conference would be better than 2 watered down football and basketball conferences. The combo of the remaining teams would be a watered down football conference, but the best basketball conference in the country. Just a thought.

 

[LINY89]

I really think either way SJ is going to be ok. Either the Big East stays and the ACC takes G'Town, Nova, SJ, UConn leaving the rest or the Big East crumbles and the ACC merges with the Big East for basketball. They should just get it all over with now so this mess can get cleaned up and put well behind us. I miss the days of talking about sports assuming the schools would be in the same conferences for years to come. Whenever this gets settled, there better be some regulations that prevent this crap from ever happening again.

 

[MCNPA]

yes , when they form the 4 conferences things will calm down and weaker football conferences will be more stable.

When the 4 conferences max out in teams they'll be no place to go.

Wouldn't ir be something if the Big East Merged with the ACC and UNC and Duke were in the mix ? we'd have an awesome league. But we'd be around 20 teams, would that violate Federal Anti trust or is it only for the football side ? and why is the gov't involved ?

UNC IMO will get grabbed by a conference like the Big 10. They're a top notch state University and research institution with high profile sports programs. I really feel UVA and UNC are next 2 destined for Big 10, considering their academic profile.

Your probably right but UNC playing midwest teams seems odd. Imagine St. John's having to play midwest teams only ? It would bore the heck out of me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They already have Maryland. Add UVA and UNC and they have their Atlantic coast contingent!

 

[ras]

I dont know how the BE could be negotiating a TV contract @ this time?

 

[jc1305us]

This whole thing is like a giant soap opera!! My .02, the BE is in deep doo doo. Obviously football rules the tv Roo$$t, and we (and the other BB only schools are on the outside looking in. Sju and Gtown to the acc would be great, but what about Providence? Where do they go?? They have no NYC, no MSG nothing! Are we all a package deal? Take one, take all? My head hurts.

 

[SJU87]

This whole thing is like a giant soap opera!! My .02, the BE is in deep doo doo. Obviously football rules the tv Roo$$t, and we (and the other BB only schools are on the outside looking in. Sju and Gtown to the acc would be great, but what about Providence? Where do they go?? They have no NYC, no MSG nothing! Are we all a package deal? Take one, take all? My head hurts.

When all the dust settles the teams remaining in the Big East and ACC will merge. Theres alot of good football programs like Pitt, Syracuse ( OK teams ) Louisville, Cincinati, etc. that won't get into a big time football conference and they'll all accept the fact and be more willing to be included in a Big East ACC merger.
Lets hope the super conferences act quickly and take the teams they want , so we can pick up the pieces and create something good out of it.
If theres a merger we'd have the best basketball conference in the land hands down and a respectable football conference.
The ACC and Big East teams that are staying where they are , are figuring out how much money they'll get from exit fees. Syracuse and Pitt might return humiliated but they might return with over 50 million each from exit fees. St. John's is getting nice money too. If we do merge we'd actually have a better league and our schools would have more money, not bad !

 

[FriarJ]

Somebody involved with WVU, who seems to know way too much about all this realignment stuff tweeted this morning that SJU may be the lead school in a vote to dissolve the BE in order to form the NBC subsidized "National Basketball Conference"

I'm torn on this, but let's assume for a minute their is no BE/ACC merger and we lose both UConn/Louisville and maybe Cincinnati; do "we" (basketball schools) really want to be in a conference with a bunch of directional schools from all over the country?

I guess the idea is to do this before these schools get voting rights because once they do then you will see them adding East Carolina and Southern Miss being invited as well possibly.

Thoughts on a Nationwide Basketball Conference vs. staying put?

I could see it as a 3 division league. I'm just purely speculating on the teams but the thought that an exec at NBC has suggested this possibility is apparently real.

East; SJU, PC, Nova, SHU, Georgetown, ?, ?
Midwest; Marquette, Depaul, Xavier, St. Louis, Butler, ?, ?, ?
West; Gonzaga, St. Mary's, San Fran, Portland, Seattle, San Diego, Denver, ?

Is there value to all of us with this. I personally would love some stability.

 

[redman#13]

Somebody involved with WVU, who seems to know way too much about all this realignment stuff tweeted this morning that SJU may be the lead school in a vote to dissolve the BE in order to form the NBC subsidized "National Basketball Conference"

I'm torn on this, but let's assume for a minute their is no BE/ACC merger and we lose both UConn/Louisville and maybe Cincinnati; do "we" (basketball schools) really want to be in a conference with a bunch of directional schools from all over the country?

I guess the idea is to do this before these schools get voting rights because once they do then you will see them adding East Carolina and Southern Miss being invited as well possibly.

Thoughts on a Nationwide Basketball Conference vs. staying put?

I could see it as a 3 division league. I'm just purely speculating on the teams but the thought that an exec at NBC has suggested this possibility is apparently real.

East; SJU, PC, Nova, SHU, Georgetown, ?, ?
Midwest; Marquette, Depaul, Xavier, St. Louis, Butler, ?, ?, ?
West; Gonzaga, St. Mary's, San Fran, Portland, Seattle, San Diego, Denver, ?

Is there value to all of us with this. I personally would love some stability.

Could you provide the person mentioned above twitter handle? Would like to read the posts.

thanks

 

[1and1sju]

Somebody involved with WVU, who seems to know way too much about all this realignment stuff tweeted this morning that SJU may be the lead school in a vote to dissolve the BE in order to form the NBC subsidized "National Basketball Conference"

I'm torn on this, but let's assume for a minute their is no BE/ACC merger and we lose both UConn/Louisville and maybe Cincinnati; do "we" (basketball schools) really want to be in a conference with a bunch of directional schools from all over the country?

I guess the idea is to do this before these schools get voting rights because once they do then you will see them adding East Carolina and Southern Miss being invited as well possibly.

Thoughts on a Nationwide Basketball Conference vs. staying put?

I could see it as a 3 division league. I'm just purely speculating on the teams but the thought that an exec at NBC has suggested this possibility is apparently real.

East; SJU, PC, Nova, SHU, Georgetown, ?, ?
Midwest; Marquette, Depaul, Xavier, St. Louis, Butler, ?, ?, ?
West; Gonzaga, St. Mary's, San Fran, Portland, Seattle, San Diego, Denver, ?

Is there value to all of us with this. I personally would love some stability.

I don't think there's a choice really, staying put shouldn't be an option.
Because you are right, if the basketball schools stay put, the new football schools are going to want to replace UCONN and Lousiville (and probably Cinn) with the likes of ECU and Southern Miss.
That's not a conference that any of the basketball schools probably want to be a part of.
And there will be a huge difference in priorities between us (the basketball schools) and the new football schools like SDSU, SMU, UCF, Boise etc

Maybe by chance there is something to the rumors about invites to the ACC, but I doubt that.
That's why the basketball only conference makes sense.

 

[FriarJ]

Somebody involved with WVU, who seems to know way too much about all this realignment stuff tweeted this morning that SJU may be the lead school in a vote to dissolve the BE in order to form the NBC subsidized "National Basketball Conference"

I'm torn on this, but let's assume for a minute their is no BE/ACC merger and we lose both UConn/Louisville and maybe Cincinnati; do "we" (basketball schools) really want to be in a conference with a bunch of directional schools from all over the country?

I guess the idea is to do this before these schools get voting rights because once they do then you will see them adding East Carolina and Southern Miss being invited as well possibly.

Thoughts on a Nationwide Basketball Conference vs. staying put?

I could see it as a 3 division league. I'm just purely speculating on the teams but the thought that an exec at NBC has suggested this possibility is apparently real.

East; SJU, PC, Nova, SHU, Georgetown, ?, ?
Midwest; Marquette, Depaul, Xavier, St. Louis, Butler, ?, ?, ?
West; Gonzaga, St. Mary's, San Fran, Portland, Seattle, San Diego, Denver, ?

Is there value to all of us with this. I personally would love some stability.

Could you provide the person mentioned above twitter handle? Would like to read the posts.

thanks

MHver3 ‏@MHver3
There is chatter that St Johns will ask for a vote to dissolve the conference.

 

[1and1sju]

Somebody involved with WVU, who seems to know way too much about all this realignment stuff tweeted this morning that SJU may be the lead school in a vote to dissolve the BE in order to form the NBC subsidized "National Basketball Conference"

I'm torn on this, but let's assume for a minute their is no BE/ACC merger and we lose both UConn/Louisville and maybe Cincinnati; do "we" (basketball schools) really want to be in a conference with a bunch of directional schools from all over the country?

I guess the idea is to do this before these schools get voting rights because once they do then you will see them adding East Carolina and Southern Miss being invited as well possibly.

Thoughts on a Nationwide Basketball Conference vs. staying put?

I could see it as a 3 division league. I'm just purely speculating on the teams but the thought that an exec at NBC has suggested this possibility is apparently real.

East; SJU, PC, Nova, SHU, Georgetown, ?, ?
Midwest; Marquette, Depaul, Xavier, St. Louis, Butler, ?, ?, ?
West; Gonzaga, St. Mary's, San Fran, Portland, Seattle, San Diego, Denver, ?

Is there value to all of us with this. I personally would love some stability.

Could you provide the person mentioned above twitter handle? Would like to read the posts.

thanks

MHver3 ‏@MHver3
There is chatter that St Johns will ask for a vote to dissolve the conference.

If true, do you think it's because SJU has an invite to the ACC? (I can't imagine they do)
Or because SJU is ready to start a basketball only conference?

I think it's the latter. And maybe it's about to happen a lot sooner than we thought.