Adonis De La Rosa,

[MJDinkins]

Huge dunk in the game by Travis Alston. Very underrated player.

If he grows a few more inches between now and college, we'll be kicking ourselves for not keeping tabs on him.

Do you really see him growing though? Tough yes. Gritty yes. I don't know where he plays. Maybe if Pecora got off his phone tonight that would be the highest Travis should go.

Just would like the staff to keep better tabs on the local under-the-radar kids and take a leap of faith on one of them every now and then. Especially ones from the top tier programs.

They do keep tabs with "under-the-radar" types. They did that with Thaddeus Hall, and doing it now with De La Rosa. But if you're in position to land a top-tier player on a national level versus the "under-the-radar" local guy, then you go with the former.

Some people wanted to go after Severe and Sina because they were local or they didn't think we could land Jordan. I thought it was laughable at the time, and nothing has changed since.

In some ways, I understand what a handful of y'all are saying, but I believe some of y'all are making bigger deal of this than warranted. I don't care where a player comes from, as long as they are capable of contributing.

Moose once made a good point about going after some of the "diamond in the rough" city kids after they've been gone for a season or two. They've had the chance to better their game and mature.

 

[monte]

Huge dunk in the game by Travis Alston. Very underrated player.

If he grows a few more inches between now and college, we'll be kicking ourselves for not keeping tabs on him.

Do you really see him growing though? Tough yes. Gritty yes. I don't know where he plays. Maybe if Pecora got off his phone tonight that would be the highest Travis should go.

Just would like the staff to keep better tabs on the local under-the-radar kids and take a leap of faith on one of them every now and then. Especially ones from the top tier programs.

They do keep tabs with "under-the-radar" types. They did that with Thaddeus Hall, and doing it now with De La Rosa. But if you're in position to land a top-tier player on a national level versus the "under-the-radar" local guy, then you go with the former.

Some people wanted to go after Severe and Sina because they were local or they didn't think we could land Jordan. I thought it was laughable at the time, and nothing has changed since.

In some ways, I understand what a handful of y'all are saying, but I believe some of y'all are making bigger deal of this than warranted. I don't care where a player comes from, as long as they are capable of contributing.

Moose once made a good point about going after some of the "diamond in the rough" city kids after they've been gone for a season or two. They've had the chance to better their game and mature.

I agree that it doesn't matter where the talent comes from, in spite of the fact that I have a personal preference for seeing at least a few local kids on NY's team. But I also know that Lavin and staff has not exactly ingratiated themselves with the local coaches and programs. Maybe no big deal right now, but possibly a big deal down the road. Regardless, please explain to me the downside of establishing relationships with the local programs? Especially CTK.

 

[Moose]

Huge dunk in the game by Travis Alston. Very underrated player.

If he grows a few more inches between now and college, we'll be kicking ourselves for not keeping tabs on him.

Do you really see him growing though? Tough yes. Gritty yes. I don't know where he plays. Maybe if Pecora got off his phone tonight that would be the highest Travis should go.

Just would like the staff to keep better tabs on the local under-the-radar kids and take a leap of faith on one of them every now and then. Especially ones from the top tier programs.

They do keep tabs with "under-the-radar" types. They did that with Thaddeus Hall, and doing it now with De La Rosa. But if you're in position to land a top-tier player on a national level versus the "under-the-radar" local guy, then you go with the former.

Some people wanted to go after Severe and Sina because they were local or they didn't think we could land Jordan. I thought it was laughable at the time, and nothing has changed since.

In some ways, I understand what a handful of y'all are saying, but I believe some of y'all are making bigger deal of this than warranted. I don't care where a player comes from, as long as they are capable of contributing.

Moose once made a good point about going after some of the "diamond in the rough" city kids after they've been gone for a season or two. They've had the chance to better their game and mature.

I agree that it doesn't matter where the talent comes from, in spite of the fact that I have a personal preference for seeing at least a few local kids on NY's team. But I also know that Lavin and staff has not exactly ingratiated themselves with the local coaches and programs. Maybe no big deal right now, but possibly a big deal down the road. Regardless, please explain to me the downside of establishing relationships with the local programs? Especially CTK.

CTK is tough example. I'm skeptical of some of the things that come out of their mouths there about the lack of SJU presence at games etc. I think they have a little bit of a holier than thou attitude. But I watched first hand how many people came up to Chiles last night and he was the first person they talked to. Then how they all went to Lavin too. I wish the CHSAA was stronger like 10 yrs ago. We probably wouldnt be having this debate.

 

[MJDinkins]

Huge dunk in the game by Travis Alston. Very underrated player.

If he grows a few more inches between now and college, we'll be kicking ourselves for not keeping tabs on him.

Do you really see him growing though? Tough yes. Gritty yes. I don't know where he plays. Maybe if Pecora got off his phone tonight that would be the highest Travis should go.

Just would like the staff to keep better tabs on the local under-the-radar kids and take a leap of faith on one of them every now and then. Especially ones from the top tier programs.

They do keep tabs with "under-the-radar" types. They did that with Thaddeus Hall, and doing it now with De La Rosa. But if you're in position to land a top-tier player on a national level versus the "under-the-radar" local guy, then you go with the former.

Some people wanted to go after Severe and Sina because they were local or they didn't think we could land Jordan. I thought it was laughable at the time, and nothing has changed since.

In some ways, I understand what a handful of y'all are saying, but I believe some of y'all are making bigger deal of this than warranted. I don't care where a player comes from, as long as they are capable of contributing.

Moose once made a good point about going after some of the "diamond in the rough" city kids after they've been gone for a season or two. They've had the chance to better their game and mature.

I agree that it doesn't matter where the talent comes from, in spite of the fact that I have a personal preference for seeing at least a few local kids on NY's team. But I also know that Lavin and staff has not exactly ingratiated themselves with the local coaches and programs. Maybe no big deal right now, but possibly a big deal down the road. Regardless, please explain to me the downside of establishing relationships with the local programs? Especially CTK.

CTK is tough example. I'm skeptical of some of the things that come out of their mouths there about the lack of SJU presence at games etc. I think they have a little bit of a holier than thou attitude. But I watched first hand how many people came up to Chiles last night and he was the first person they talked to. Then how they all went to Lavin too.

Moose answered everything for me. I'm also skeptical about some of the things being said about the presence of our staff.

I wish the CHSAA was stronger like 10 yrs ago. We probably wouldnt be having this debate.

This isn't nearly the same CHSAA that Fraschilla was able to cultivate in his minimal time at St. John's. Not even close. It's not even the same, as Moose stated, from 10 years ago.

Lavin would clean up like Fraschilla (Jarvis also did well with the 2000 class with NYC kids), if things were still similar.

 

[monte]

Huge dunk in the game by Travis Alston. Very underrated player.

If he grows a few more inches between now and college, we'll be kicking ourselves for not keeping tabs on him.

Do you really see him growing though? Tough yes. Gritty yes. I don't know where he plays. Maybe if Pecora got off his phone tonight that would be the highest Travis should go.

Just would like the staff to keep better tabs on the local under-the-radar kids and take a leap of faith on one of them every now and then. Especially ones from the top tier programs.

They do keep tabs with "under-the-radar" types. They did that with Thaddeus Hall, and doing it now with De La Rosa. But if you're in position to land a top-tier player on a national level versus the "under-the-radar" local guy, then you go with the former.

Some people wanted to go after Severe and Sina because they were local or they didn't think we could land Jordan. I thought it was laughable at the time, and nothing has changed since.

In some ways, I understand what a handful of y'all are saying, but I believe some of y'all are making bigger deal of this than warranted. I don't care where a player comes from, as long as they are capable of contributing.

Moose once made a good point about going after some of the "diamond in the rough" city kids after they've been gone for a season or two. They've had the chance to better their game and mature.

I agree that it doesn't matter where the talent comes from, in spite of the fact that I have a personal preference for seeing at least a few local kids on NY's team. But I also know that Lavin and staff has not exactly ingratiated themselves with the local coaches and programs. Maybe no big deal right now, but possibly a big deal down the road. Regardless, please explain to me the downside of establishing relationships with the local programs? Especially CTK.

CTK is tough example. I'm skeptical of some of the things that come out of their mouths there about the lack of SJU presence at games etc. I think they have a little bit of a holier than thou attitude. But I watched first hand how many people came up to Chiles last night and he was the first person they talked to. Then how they all went to Lavin too. I wish the CHSAA was stronger like 10 yrs ago. We probably wouldnt be having this debate.

The only reason I use CTK is because they are the preeminent program in the city. Don't disagree about their holier than thou attitude, but that's what college coaches have to deal with. Lavin's a charmer, he should have had no problem establishing a close relationship with Arbitello + co. Just get the sense that there's no love lost there.

 

[tom in salem]

http://newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/03/round-three-for-royals-and-lions-to.html

Christ the King 49 Cardinal Hayes 47 Hayes had posted a convincing season opening win against the Royals in December and in more ways than just the final score this game was the polar opposite of the first between the two teams. Hayes not only encountered a better team in Christ the King but a better player in Adonis Delarosa, who ultimately provided the margin for the Royals. W hen Shavar Newkirk scored on a difficult drive and converted the free throw with 1:07 left to give Hayes a 47-44 lead it appeared that Hayes had done just enough to overcome what I suspect they'd admit was a sloppy effort offensively. The Royals and Delarosa had other ideas. First Delarosa drew a foul on a post up and made one of two free throws to bring CK to within 47-45. On Hayes' next possession Delarosa drew an offensive foul on Ekwu that would be his 5th. As the Royals got ready to inbound the ball you could see Adonis talking and pointing to his teammates. He knew where he wanted to go, to the low block. And he wanted to make sure his teammates got the ball to him there. And when they did Delarosa executed perfectly using a drop step move that likely wasn't in his repertoire when he faced Ekwu and Hayes in December. he powered the ball through contact scored the goal and made the free through with 14.3 seconds left to give the Royals. Travis Atson then took down a Hayes air ball and made one of two free throws to provide the final margin. Atson finished with 7 points 9 rebounds and a momentum changing dunk over Ekwu that helped the Royals bounce back from an early 4th quarter deficit. Rawlie Alkins led the scoring with 18 points and had a terrific all around game while Andre Walker continued what was been a great playoff run for him with 11 points and 5 rebounds .
Delarosa's numbers may look modest to those who did not see the game but his 12 points and 9 boards may seem modest to those who did not see the game or follow the league. But the numbers and his success against Ekwu, who outplayed him in December are indicative of a player who's improved his game by adding a hook shot and doing his work early in establishing post position. This game may not have been an artistic success but it was a great slugfest between two very good teams. The Royals, earned a great win and a chance to defend their title Sunday.

 

[fuchsia]

Huge dunk in the game by Travis Alston. Very underrated player.

If he grows a few more inches between now and college, we'll be kicking ourselves for not keeping tabs on him.

Do you really see him growing though? Tough yes. Gritty yes. I don't know where he plays. Maybe if Pecora got off his phone tonight that would be the highest Travis should go.

Just would like the staff to keep better tabs on the local under-the-radar kids and take a leap of faith on one of them every now and then. Especially ones from the top tier programs.

They do keep tabs with "under-the-radar" types. They did that with Thaddeus Hall, and doing it now with De La Rosa. But if you're in position to land a top-tier player on a national level versus the "under-the-radar" local guy, then you go with the former.

Some people wanted to go after Severe and Sina because they were local or they didn't think we could land Jordan. I thought it was laughable at the time, and nothing has changed since.

In some ways, I understand what a handful of y'all are saying, but I believe some of y'all are making bigger deal of this than warranted. I don't care where a player comes from, as long as they are capable of contributing.

Moose once made a good point about going after some of the "diamond in the rough" city kids after they've been gone for a season or two. They've had the chance to better their game and mature.

I agree that it doesn't matter where the talent comes from, in spite of the fact that I have a personal preference for seeing at least a few local kids on NY's team. But I also know that Lavin and staff has not exactly ingratiated themselves with the local coaches and programs. Maybe no big deal right now, but possibly a big deal down the road. Regardless, please explain to me the downside of establishing relationships with the local programs? Especially CTK.

CTK is tough example. I'm skeptical of some of the things that come out of their mouths there about the lack of SJU presence at games etc. I think they have a little bit of a holier than thou attitude. But I watched first hand how many people came up to Chiles last night and he was the first person they talked to. Then how they all went to Lavin too.

Moose answered everything for me. I'm also skeptical about some of the things being said about the presence of our staff.

I wish the CHSAA was stronger like 10 yrs ago. We probably wouldnt be having this debate.

This isn't nearly the same CHSAA that Fraschilla was able to cultivate in his minimal time at St. John's. Not even close. It's not even the same, as Moose stated, from 10 years ago.

Lavin would clean up like Fraschilla (Jarvis also did well with the 2000 class with NYC kids), if things were still similar.

How much pain would have been avoided if UNC had kept the scholarship for Omar Cook and Jarvis' first class after Fran's recruits left had no capacity at all to play offense, revealing for all to see his true coaching weaknesses?

 

[Moose]

Huge dunk in the game by Travis Alston. Very underrated player.

If he grows a few more inches between now and college, we'll be kicking ourselves for not keeping tabs on him.

Do you really see him growing though? Tough yes. Gritty yes. I don't know where he plays. Maybe if Pecora got off his phone tonight that would be the highest Travis should go.

Just would like the staff to keep better tabs on the local under-the-radar kids and take a leap of faith on one of them every now and then. Especially ones from the top tier programs.

They do keep tabs with "under-the-radar" types. They did that with Thaddeus Hall, and doing it now with De La Rosa. But if you're in position to land a top-tier player on a national level versus the "under-the-radar" local guy, then you go with the former.

Some people wanted to go after Severe and Sina because they were local or they didn't think we could land Jordan. I thought it was laughable at the time, and nothing has changed since.

In some ways, I understand what a handful of y'all are saying, but I believe some of y'all are making bigger deal of this than warranted. I don't care where a player comes from, as long as they are capable of contributing.

Moose once made a good point about going after some of the "diamond in the rough" city kids after they've been gone for a season or two. They've had the chance to better their game and mature.

I agree that it doesn't matter where the talent comes from, in spite of the fact that I have a personal preference for seeing at least a few local kids on NY's team. But I also know that Lavin and staff has not exactly ingratiated themselves with the local coaches and programs. Maybe no big deal right now, but possibly a big deal down the road. Regardless, please explain to me the downside of establishing relationships with the local programs? Especially CTK.

CTK is tough example. I'm skeptical of some of the things that come out of their mouths there about the lack of SJU presence at games etc. I think they have a little bit of a holier than thou attitude. But I watched first hand how many people came up to Chiles last night and he was the first person they talked to. Then how they all went to Lavin too. I wish the CHSAA was stronger like 10 yrs ago. We probably wouldnt be having this debate.

The only reason I use CTK is because they are the preeminent program in the city. Don't disagree about their holier than thou attitude, but that's what college coaches have to deal with. Lavin's a charmer, he should have had no problem establishing a close relationship with Arbitello + co. Just get the sense that there's no love lost there.

One thing about Lavin I've noticed. I think he prefers to avoid schools and deal with the families/handlers more directly. That has positives and it has negatives.

 

[monte]

http://newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/03/round-three-for-royals-and-lions-to.html

Christ the King 49 Cardinal Hayes 47 Hayes had posted a convincing season opening win against the Royals in December and in more ways than just the final score this game was the polar opposite of the first between the two teams. Hayes not only encountered a better team in Christ the King but a better player in Adonis Delarosa, who ultimately provided the margin for the Royals. W hen Shavar Newkirk scored on a difficult drive and converted the free throw with 1:07 left to give Hayes a 47-44 lead it appeared that Hayes had done just enough to overcome what I suspect they'd admit was a sloppy effort offensively. The Royals and Delarosa had other ideas. First Delarosa drew a foul on a post up and made one of two free throws to bring CK to within 47-45. On Hayes' next possession Delarosa drew an offensive foul on Ekwu that would be his 5th. As the Royals got ready to inbound the ball you could see Adonis talking and pointing to his teammates. He knew where he wanted to go, to the low block. And he wanted to make sure his teammates got the ball to him there. And when they did Delarosa executed perfectly using a drop step move that likely wasn't in his repertoire when he faced Ekwu and Hayes in December. he powered the ball through contact scored the goal and made the free through with 14.3 seconds left to give the Royals. Travis Atson then took down a Hayes air ball and made one of two free throws to provide the final margin. Atson finished with 7 points 9 rebounds and a momentum changing dunk over Ekwu that helped the Royals bounce back from an early 4th quarter deficit. Rawlie Alkins led the scoring with 18 points and had a terrific all around game while Andre Walker continued what was been a great playoff run for him with 11 points and 5 rebounds .
Delarosa's numbers may look modest to those who did not see the game but his 12 points and 9 boards may seem modest to those who did not see the game or follow the league. But the numbers and his success against Ekwu, who outplayed him in December are indicative of a player who's improved his game by adding a hook shot and doing his work early in establishing post position. This game may not have been an artistic success but it was a great slugfest between two very good teams. The Royals, earned a great win and a chance to defend their title Sunday.

Not much size in the CHSAA this year. Most of the kids that DLR went against were no more than 6'5". Ekwu probably the tallest at 6'7". Not doubt he's improved his game as the season has progressed, and hopefully he commits to us, but I would temper expectations.

 

[L J S A]

Not much size in the CHSAA this year. Most of the kids that DLR went against were no more than 6'5". Ekwu probably the tallest at 6'7". Not doubt he's improved his game as the season has progressed, and hopefully he commits to us, but I would temper expectations.

I'm definitely tempering expectations, but I would add that there are a lot of 6'11" kids who never face similar height during high school ball. Some are busts in college, but certainly others end up putting up nice numbers. Zendon never played anyone within 5 inches of him, yet put up great college numbers.

De la Rosa started making progress this past summer, and he probably played some big guys in AAU.

 

[paultzman]

@DelarosaJoey: I'm so proud of my little brother @adelarosa0920 .....chip game on Sunday

 

[paultzman]

JPM14 blog with comments on DelaRosa improvement. His word and Konchalski's are good enough for me.

http://newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/03/round-three-for-royals-and-lions-to.html

 

[redmannorth]

Paultzman unless I am reading incorrectly I don't see any rave review written about Adonis but rather an article that says he continues to improve.
Do I hope we get him, absolutely but there is nothing I have read about him which states that he is ready to contribute immediately in the Big East. If anything everything written points to the opposite.
I am fully aware that you can't teach size but we have a lengthy recent history of big men who never developed. At this stage in Lavins tenure and with playing time immediately available at the 5 I thought we could do much better than a project whom it is unanimously agreed needs to be in much better shape. I would think that if Adonis did not play at the local Catholic school there would be very little interest on anyone's part.

 

[MainMan]

Pretty impressive that the kid basically won the game for CTK in the last minute - two offensive possessions, and drawing a offensive foul on d. He called for the ball in crunch time. Don't know if Ed Brown, Tom Bayne, Cujo or anyone of similar STJ girth had the cajones for that in high school.

 

[paultzman]

Paultzman unless I am reading incorrectly I don't see any rave review written about Adonis but rather an article that says he continues to improve.
Do I hope we get him, absolutely but there is nothing I have read about him which states that he is ready to contribute immediately in the Big East. If anything everything written points to the opposite.
I am fully aware that you can't teach size but we have a lengthy recent history of big men who never developed. At this stage in Lavins tenure and with playing time immediately available at the 5 I thought we could do much better than a project whom it is unanimously agreed needs to be in much better shape. I would think that if Adonis did not play at the local Catholic school there would be very little interest on anyone's part.

Never raved about him. Tom Konchalski and JPM both think he can be a good college big if he works hard and gets in shape. To me that is a big "if", but I am willing to give it a try. Who else are we going to get in 14? Of course some of the other bigs in 14 class are better than him, but we failed to get them. I am also basing my opinion on having seen him improve over the last three years. Again, I don't see him as an instant impact player, but someone worth investing in.

 

[redmannorth]

Paultzman unless I am reading incorrectly I don't see any rave review written about Adonis but rather an article that says he continues to improve.
Do I hope we get him, absolutely but there is nothing I have read about him which states that he is ready to contribute immediately in the Big East. If anything everything written points to the opposite.
I am fully aware that you can't teach size but we have a lengthy recent history of big men who never developed. At this stage in Lavins tenure and with playing time immediately available at the 5 I thought we could do much better than a project whom it is unanimously agreed needs to be in much better shape. I would think that if Adonis did not play at the local Catholic school there would be very little interest on anyone's part.

Never raved about him. Tom Konchalski and JPM both think he can be a good college big if he works hard and gets in shape. To me that is a big "if", but I am willing to give it a try. Who else are we going to get in 14? Of course some of the other bigs in 14 class are better than him, but we failed to get them. I am also basing my opinion on having seen him improve over the last three years. Again, I don't see him as an instant impact player, but someone worth investing in.

So we are saying the same thing then.
He may help down the road. A big if as you put it.
Once again, I thought we could do better from our position today, meaning bring in a player that could contribute immediately.

 

[Andrew]

Paultzman unless I am reading incorrectly I don't see any rave review written about Adonis but rather an article that says he continues to improve.
Do I hope we get him, absolutely but there is nothing I have read about him which states that he is ready to contribute immediately in the Big East. If anything everything written points to the opposite.
I am fully aware that you can't teach size but we have a lengthy recent history of big men who never developed. At this stage in Lavins tenure and with playing time immediately available at the 5 I thought we could do much better than a project whom it is unanimously agreed needs to be in much better shape. I would think that if Adonis did not play at the local Catholic school there would be very little interest on anyone's part.

Never raved about him. Tom Konchalski and JPM both think he can be a good college big if he works hard and gets in shape. To me that is a big "if", but I am willing to give it a try. Who else are we going to get in 14? Of course some of the other bigs in 14 class are better than him, but we failed to get them. I am also basing my opinion on having seen him improve over the last three years. Again, I don't see him as an instant impact player, but someone worth investing in.

So we are saying the same thing then.
He may help down the road. A big if as you put it.
Once again, I thought we could do better from our position today, meaning bring in a player that could contribute immediately.

Not every player makes an immediate contribution (Jones, Balamou, Hooper). I feel pretty confident that Adonis will have a greater impact than those three during a four year career. Is that a reason to sign him? I think so, given his upside and the fact that we still have two other open scholarships for 14 and no other known targets. The fact that he plays at CTK is a strong positive, as the competition is very good. They were invited to host a national championship type tournament in April(see link below. I also think it will be helpful in attracting other tri state area recruits in the future.

http://www.dicksnationaltournament.com/tickets.php

 

[ras]

We don't need an impact player . We need a backup for CO. If he improves every year he'll be worth the investment. We have just about everyone back. Elite players want to start . That said I thought Lavin would have bagged a 4 star recruit. Not a bad idea to have a scholi open for a transfer. He sits out next year and is ready go for 15.

 

[paultzman]

Paultzman unless I am reading incorrectly I don't see any rave review written about Adonis but rather an article that says he continues to improve.
Do I hope we get him, absolutely but there is nothing I have read about him which states that he is ready to contribute immediately in the Big East. If anything everything written points to the opposite.
I am fully aware that you can't teach size but we have a lengthy recent history of big men who never developed. At this stage in Lavins tenure and with playing time immediately available at the 5 I thought we could do much better than a project whom it is unanimously agreed needs to be in much better shape. I would think that if Adonis did not play at the local Catholic school there would be very little interest on anyone's part.

Never raved about him. Tom Konchalski and JPM both think he can be a good college big if he works hard and gets in shape. To me that is a big "if", but I am willing to give it a try. Who else are we going to get in 14? Of course some of the other bigs in 14 class are better than him, but we failed to get them. I am also basing my opinion on having seen him improve over the last three years. Again, I don't see him as an instant impact player, but someone worth investing in.

So we are saying the same thing then.
He may help down the road. A big if as you put it.
Once again, I thought we could do better from our position today, meaning bring in a player that could contribute immediately.

Yes. I certainly would have preferred power players like Abu, Goodluck, etc who will likely have more impact next year. Frankly, I am pleased to even view Adonis as worth the shot if he works hard. I originally thought getting him was a waste. His improvement this year gives me some some hope.

 

[ras]

At this point we have 3 scolis open, 0 recruits and a desperate need for a backup center. Why not take him. We still have 2 scholis open and that's assuming everyone returns.