A Shot at Mullin
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Okay I'll bite. Why is this post funny it seems pretty on point to me?
I would guess that MJ's main point was that coaching does in fact matter.
Coaching does actually matter. I feel good in saying we'll be better offensively due to having better guards and overall playmakers. Hopefully, better guard play will result into better shots and looks. My concerns lie on the defensive side of the ball. I hope to see much better improvement and detail, defensively.
Per the gif used, it wasn't laughter towards what was said. LOL
Clear as mud.
Moose
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Jim Calhoun won 248 games and coached in the NCAA Tournament 5 times before he ever coached a game for Uconn.
Ratface coached 5 years at Army and was above 500 before becoming Duke coach.
Billy D had two winning seasons at Marshall and 5 years as an assistant at Kentucky.
These guys all had experience coaching prior to those jobs you referenced. Mullin had zero experience coaching. Top 50 player Olympian or whatever other accolades you want to mention doesn't change the fact. When the VP of finance at my company leaves while I've worked at the company for awhile I don't know finance and I don't apply for the job.
And for all the talk of rebuilding. Read up on Chris Beard. He was hired as coach of Arkansas Little Rock of the Sun Belt conference on April 10th. He has 10 new players on the team. This is his first D1 head coaching job. He's 26-3
Moose
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And please don't interpret this as negative. I can't keep up if people think I'm negative or too much of a kook aid drinker. Just presenting facts that are sometimes clouded by the fact that Mullin is a god to many fans from his playing days. There needs to be some separation
Ridiculous article.
That being said regardless of what a couple of people might think some criticism of Mullin for certain things this year is certainly fair game and posters like wearesju shouldn't always have to put a disclaimer that he is with Mullin till he dies when he offers fair criitisicm of staff
Season thankfully almost over and coaching is a learning curve. Let's hope that from the point the season ends Mullin as coach can assess what were his flaws and strengths and learn to improve greatly on the things he wasn't as good at this year whether it be having more input on plays or simple things on his demeanor on the sidelines and where he doesn't sit
Recruiting I don't think there can be any complaining so that leaves practicing and game day stuff
Most importantly is being able to take an honest hard look at the defense and putting a much better system in place that cuts down on the million open looks on 3;s that every other team seems to get because as fun as Iona is to watch on offense I don't want there version of defense in the big east and also start holding players accountable who complain after every play virtually and pull them and teach them to stop complaining and start playing defense. Because when I see players continually whine with no repercussions that doesn't show me leadership from the bench.any kid on my team including me would have their ass yanked out so quick for non stop complaining to refs their heads would spin when my dad was my coach
That being said regardless of what a couple of people might think some criticism of Mullin for certain things this year is certainly fair game and posters like wearesju shouldn't always have to put a disclaimer that he is with Mullin till he dies when he offers fair criitisicm of staff
Season thankfully almost over and coaching is a learning curve. Let's hope that from the point the season ends Mullin as coach can assess what were his flaws and strengths and learn to improve greatly on the things he wasn't as good at this year whether it be having more input on plays or simple things on his demeanor on the sidelines and where he doesn't sit
Recruiting I don't think there can be any complaining so that leaves practicing and game day stuff
Most importantly is being able to take an honest hard look at the defense and putting a much better system in place that cuts down on the million open looks on 3;s that every other team seems to get because as fun as Iona is to watch on offense I don't want there version of defense in the big east and also start holding players accountable who complain after every play virtually and pull them and teach them to stop complaining and start playing defense. Because when I see players continually whine with no repercussions that doesn't show me leadership from the bench.any kid on my team including me would have their ass yanked out so quick for non stop complaining to refs their heads would spin when my dad was my coach
we are sju
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quote="Moose" post=213244]And please don't interpret this as negative. I can't keep up if people think I'm negative or too much of a kook aid drinker. Just presenting facts that are sometimes clouded by the fact that Mullin is a god to many fans from his playing days. There needs to be some separation[/quote]
There were three ways the school could have gone.
1. Keep Lavin.-we would have been much better this year but his diminishing recruiting and effort together with his shaky coaching would have led to a season similar to this one eventually. 2 or 3 years down the road we would have been right here.
2. Hire a BIG NAME coach. Mller, Pitino, Donovan, Cal, Adolph Rupp, John Wooden. Ok WE ALL know for numerous reasons that was never happening.
Real number 2.-Hire an up and coming assistant or up and coming mid major coach-That is a crapshoot. You might wind up with a star or you might wind up with Norm Roberts. If you fired Lavin after making a tourney this kind of hire would have just divided the fan base
3. Hire a retread that has had modest success elsewhere. SNORE
They took a shot and pretty much united the fan base and put faith in really, a basketball genius(as a player). There have been some stuff that is worrisome but until he has a real roster there really is no point in criticizing his actual coaching. No one could have legally gotten much better players in the time he had or coached these players to a significant amount of more wins.
In 3 years if we are still talking about where he sits, ST Jean is still doing most of the coaching and we are hoping to make the NIT, then people can start complaining about posters like me for refusing to ever say Chris Mullin should be fired.
Bottom line whether you watched Mullin hold the ball out of bounds as the seconds tipped away against Gtown in 85 or not, you have to give it 3 years before you can definitively say anything!
There were three ways the school could have gone.
1. Keep Lavin.-we would have been much better this year but his diminishing recruiting and effort together with his shaky coaching would have led to a season similar to this one eventually. 2 or 3 years down the road we would have been right here.
2. Hire a BIG NAME coach. Mller, Pitino, Donovan, Cal, Adolph Rupp, John Wooden. Ok WE ALL know for numerous reasons that was never happening.
Real number 2.-Hire an up and coming assistant or up and coming mid major coach-That is a crapshoot. You might wind up with a star or you might wind up with Norm Roberts. If you fired Lavin after making a tourney this kind of hire would have just divided the fan base
3. Hire a retread that has had modest success elsewhere. SNORE
They took a shot and pretty much united the fan base and put faith in really, a basketball genius(as a player). There have been some stuff that is worrisome but until he has a real roster there really is no point in criticizing his actual coaching. No one could have legally gotten much better players in the time he had or coached these players to a significant amount of more wins.
In 3 years if we are still talking about where he sits, ST Jean is still doing most of the coaching and we are hoping to make the NIT, then people can start complaining about posters like me for refusing to ever say Chris Mullin should be fired.
Bottom line whether you watched Mullin hold the ball out of bounds as the seconds tipped away against Gtown in 85 or not, you have to give it 3 years before you can definitively say anything!
MR. Moose...... I believe I said I wasn't comparing Mullin to those legends. I think writing an article calling for ones job (under the circumstances) a little premature. Just citing examples how it can be a struggle early on. Since you used a business example...... I'm a golf pro. In 2000 I was recruited to reinstall and fix the largest caddy program in the USA at the finest resort. I took the job with no caddy experience or ever working in that end of the business. It was awful the first season. On every end employee performance, work
culture etc....... First 9 months was a nightmare. But over time things got better changed the culture brought in qualified employees implemented training programs etc . Hired a few talented assistants. Left a few years later leaving the program in fantastic shape. I think we all SJUBB to be a success..... ILL give Mullin a pass this year . I'll give the guy some time and see what he can build.
culture etc....... First 9 months was a nightmare. But over time things got better changed the culture brought in qualified employees implemented training programs etc . Hired a few talented assistants. Left a few years later leaving the program in fantastic shape. I think we all SJUBB to be a success..... ILL give Mullin a pass this year . I'll give the guy some time and see what he can build.
L J S A
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You should think a little harder. :lol: There are certainly coaches out there who work minor miracles, and they may have been able to do more with this roster than we've seen from our staff this season.
On the recruiting side, though, 99 percent of those miracle workers wouldn't have landed the kids this staff has in such short order.
Good players will make the staff look better next season, and we'll look even better once Mullin can find a way to get all that knowledge from his head onto the clipboard.
westchesterjoe
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i agree with Knight. I do not think there is a Coach, living or dead, that could have gotten more results with this crop of Players. And, no disrespect to the Players, who have played hard despite been outgunned from Day 1 .
The results were somewhat predictable, after the first Exhibition game with STAC . A rout from a Division 2 team.Save Mullin and Miitch Richmond appearing in uniform,the team had glaring Personnel weaknesses.
Sure, the Win vs Syracuse was great! A terrific Game Plan and faultless execution against the Zone , resulted in a W.
Blind Squirrels do find Acorns.
But, it was Mike Hopkins Coaching the Orange , not Jim Boeheim.
Yakwe and Sima have Potential but, have fundamental flaws from lack of experience. They are also Rail Thin for Big Men in the BE . Mussini is Small. And, has good Skills but, has worn down as the Season Progressed.
The 5th Year Players , Johnson and Ron M,, are Role Players and likely would be on the Bench for nearly , every other BE team. They have given good effort though and, deserve respect for coming here. Ellison has improved nicely from the start and, is a good Athlete. He has areas to improve, like finishing and improving his Jumper.
Amar and Jones, have had some nice games but, again, are Reserves thrust into significant play. Balamou is Athletic and also had some nice Games but, is undersized to go to the Rim as much as he does. And, he often takes ill advised shots.
Sure, all the losing has sapped Morale and, the Team has nothing left in the Tank and will barely make the Finish Line. If you look at the bottom dwellers in the ACC, SEC, and, other Conferences, they have struggled to win a game or 2 as well.
Here is a Question, does anyone think Calipari or, Pitino or,Coach K would have gotten more out of this Team, than Mullin, Slice, etc?
The Answer is No!
The results were somewhat predictable, after the first Exhibition game with STAC . A rout from a Division 2 team.Save Mullin and Miitch Richmond appearing in uniform,the team had glaring Personnel weaknesses.
Sure, the Win vs Syracuse was great! A terrific Game Plan and faultless execution against the Zone , resulted in a W.
Blind Squirrels do find Acorns.
But, it was Mike Hopkins Coaching the Orange , not Jim Boeheim.
Yakwe and Sima have Potential but, have fundamental flaws from lack of experience. They are also Rail Thin for Big Men in the BE . Mussini is Small. And, has good Skills but, has worn down as the Season Progressed.
The 5th Year Players , Johnson and Ron M,, are Role Players and likely would be on the Bench for nearly , every other BE team. They have given good effort though and, deserve respect for coming here. Ellison has improved nicely from the start and, is a good Athlete. He has areas to improve, like finishing and improving his Jumper.
Amar and Jones, have had some nice games but, again, are Reserves thrust into significant play. Balamou is Athletic and also had some nice Games but, is undersized to go to the Rim as much as he does. And, he often takes ill advised shots.
Sure, all the losing has sapped Morale and, the Team has nothing left in the Tank and will barely make the Finish Line. If you look at the bottom dwellers in the ACC, SEC, and, other Conferences, they have struggled to win a game or 2 as well.
Here is a Question, does anyone think Calipari or, Pitino or,Coach K would have gotten more out of this Team, than Mullin, Slice, etc?
The Answer is No!
