a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

[quote="MJDinkins" post=294344][quote="Beast of the East" post=294342][quote="MJDinkins" post=294341][quote="Happy" post=294328][quote="RedStormNC" post=294305]Mitch must be planning to lock himself inside his office at Taffner to start developing his pre-season development plans and competition film watching. I'm sure he'll have the plans and reports on to Mullin via e-mail before they get back from their visits.

What a joke that a 2nd HOF assistant coach is not joining for official in home visits


https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1037832119966474241[/quote]

Don't you think the joke is him not being mandated to go on these visits? I have just read countless pages of anger towards Mitch Richmond and I don't get it when he is doing the duties of someone who has a cushy job. I do know he works with the players but for all the people who want him to get off of his butt and go recruit then why isn't this anger directed at his boss?[/quote]

Thank you, Happy! I've been saying the same thing, and I've even posted it a couple times.

The anger is misplaced when it comes to Richmond. He's only doing what he's allowed to do. Who is allowing him to not recruit? It's like some folks are obtuse, trying not to blame Mullin or.....

This is what I told a fellow fan yesterday: If Mullin ain't exactly busting his ass recruiting, then he's not gonna expect the same from his buddy. If Mullin was truly out there grinding on the recruiting trail, then he'd probably expect the same from Richmond (unless, there was a serious issue going on in his life).

Before someone come on and say, Mullin was out there in July or he's attending the in-home visits.... Well, any head coach who doesn't wanna catch some serious flak WILL and ARE out there in July. Besides, July is the biggest and most important month when it comes to grassroots hoops. It's the previous months when Mullin should've been visible, but was MIA. Or, times when he could be in a NYC HS gym, but he's invisible.

The in-home visits.... Any coach worth his salt better show up to in-home visits. What coach doesn't show up to in-home's? Not to mention, as I stated above. If he doesn't wanna be villified, then he better show up. The 2019 class is extremely important going forward, so maybe there's a sense of urgency.

Lastly, put the blame at the feet of Richmond's boss.... The head coach. The same head coach who went to bat for Richmond.[/quote]

Are you saying with certainty that CM has not gone to in home visits for our top recruits?

I would agree that just be presence alone, CM and MR walking into the home of a recruit would impress the heck out of a parent if not the kid himself.[/quote]

Nah. I was just saying or rhetorically asking, "What coach doesn't attend in-home visits?" Meaning, I expect him to be at an in-home visit, so no one should be impressed or using it as a gauge of him grinding on the recruiting trail by attending.

I've long said that I think Mullin and Richmond could be formidable duo out on the recruiting trail if they truly put forth 100% effort into the job. I really believe that.[/quote]

I read your post once I totally understood what you wrote.

Not sure what Beast is actually saying since many times he clearly misinterprets or just doesn't understand the overall point.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=294350][quote="MJDinkins" post=294344][quote="Beast of the East" post=294342][quote="MJDinkins" post=294341][quote="Happy" post=294328][quote="RedStormNC" post=294305]Mitch must be planning to lock himself inside his office at Taffner to start developing his pre-season development plans and competition film watching. I'm sure he'll have the plans and reports on to Mullin via e-mail before they get back from their visits.

What a joke that a 2nd HOF assistant coach is not joining for official in home visits


https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1037832119966474241[/quote]

Don't you think the joke is him not being mandated to go on these visits? I have just read countless pages of anger towards Mitch Richmond and I don't get it when he is doing the duties of someone who has a cushy job. I do know he works with the players but for all the people who want him to get off of his butt and go recruit then why isn't this anger directed at his boss?[/quote]

Thank you, Happy! I've been saying the same thing, and I've even posted it a couple times.

The anger is misplaced when it comes to Richmond. He's only doing what he's allowed to do. Who is allowing him to not recruit? It's like some folks are obtuse, trying not to blame Mullin or.....

This is what I told a fellow fan yesterday: If Mullin ain't exactly busting his ass recruiting, then he's not gonna expect the same from his buddy. If Mullin was truly out there grinding on the recruiting trail, then he'd probably expect the same from Richmond (unless, there was a serious issue going on in his life).

Before someone come on and say, Mullin was out there in July or he's attending the in-home visits.... Well, any head coach who doesn't wanna catch some serious flak WILL and ARE out there in July. Besides, July is the biggest and most important month when it comes to grassroots hoops. It's the previous months when Mullin should've been visible, but was MIA. Or, times when he could be in a NYC HS gym, but he's invisible.

The in-home visits.... Any coach worth his salt better show up to in-home visits. What coach doesn't show up to in-home's? Not to mention, as I stated above. If he doesn't wanna be villified, then he better show up. The 2019 class is extremely important going forward, so maybe there's a sense of urgency.

Lastly, put the blame at the feet of Richmond's boss.... The head coach. The same head coach who went to bat for Richmond.[/quote]

Are you saying with certainty that CM has not gone to in home visits for our top recruits?

I would agree that just be presence alone, CM and MR walking into the home of a recruit would impress the heck out of a parent if not the kid himself.[/quote]

Nah. I was just saying or rhetorically asking, "What coach doesn't attend in-home visits?" Meaning, I expect him to be at an in-home visit, so no one should be impressed or using it as a gauge of him grinding on the recruiting trail by attending.

I've long said that I think Mullin and Richmond could be formidable duo out on the recruiting trail if they truly put forth 100% effort into the job. I really believe that.[/quote]

I read your post once I totally understood what you wrote.

Not sure what Beast is actually saying since many times he clearly misinterprets or just doesn't understand the overall point.[/quote]

"Not sure what Beast is actually saying since many times he clearly misinterprets or just doesn't understand the overall point."

How could that be possible? He has two degrees in pharmaceutical drug dispensing.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=294344][quote="Beast of the East" post=294342][quote="MJDinkins" post=294341][quote="Happy" post=294328][quote="RedStormNC" post=294305]Mitch must be planning to lock himself inside his office at Taffner to start developing his pre-season development plans and competition film watching. I'm sure he'll have the plans and reports on to Mullin via e-mail before they get back from their visits.

What a joke that a 2nd HOF assistant coach is not joining for official in home visits


https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1037832119966474241[/quote]

Don't you think the joke is him not being mandated to go on these visits? I have just read countless pages of anger towards Mitch Richmond and I don't get it when he is doing the duties of someone who has a cushy job. I do know he works with the players but for all the people who want him to get off of his butt and go recruit then why isn't this anger directed at his boss?[/quote]

Thank you, Happy! I've been saying the same thing, and I've even posted it a couple times.

The anger is misplaced when it comes to Richmond. He's only doing what he's allowed to do. Who is allowing him to not recruit? It's like some folks are obtuse, trying not to blame Mullin or.....

This is what I told a fellow fan yesterday: If Mullin ain't exactly busting his ass recruiting, then he's not gonna expect the same from his buddy. If Mullin was truly out there grinding on the recruiting trail, then he'd probably expect the same from Richmond (unless, there was a serious issue going on in his life).

Before someone come on and say, Mullin was out there in July or he's attending the in-home visits.... Well, any head coach who doesn't wanna catch some serious flak WILL and ARE out there in July. Besides, July is the biggest and most important month when it comes to grassroots hoops. It's the previous months when Mullin should've been visible, but was MIA. Or, times when he could be in a NYC HS gym, but he's invisible.

The in-home visits.... Any coach worth his salt better show up to in-home visits. What coach doesn't show up to in-home's? Not to mention, as I stated above. If he doesn't wanna be villified, then he better show up. The 2019 class is extremely important going forward, so maybe there's a sense of urgency.

Lastly, put the blame at the feet of Richmond's boss.... The head coach. The same head coach who went to bat for Richmond.[/quote]

Are you saying with certainty that CM has not gone to in home visits for our top recruits?

I would agree that just be presence alone, CM and MR walking into the home of a recruit would impress the heck out of a parent if not the kid himself.[/quote]

Nah. I was just saying or rhetorically asking, "What coach doesn't attend in-home visits?" Meaning, I expect him to be at an in-home visit, so no one should be impressed or using it as a gauge of him grinding on the recruiting trail by attending.

I've long said that I think Mullin and Richmond could be formidable duo out on the recruiting trail if they truly put forth 100% effort into the job. I really believe that.[/quote]

Ok. Thanks for clarifying. You are one of the best posters here, and one of my best friends here. I agree. going on in home visits for high level recruits at least, is mandatory for a HC. I just wouldn't want newer posters to believe that Chris hasn't been going to these.

Yea, jsut 2 NBA HOFers walking into your house has to have a big impact. If MR is a PT resource, then you use him judiciously.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=294353][quote="fordham96" post=294350][quote="MJDinkins" post=294344][quote="Beast of the East" post=294342][quote="MJDinkins" post=294341][quote="Happy" post=294328][quote="RedStormNC" post=294305]Mitch must be planning to lock himself inside his office at Taffner to start developing his pre-season development plans and competition film watching. I'm sure he'll have the plans and reports on to Mullin via e-mail before they get back from their visits.

What a joke that a 2nd HOF assistant coach is not joining for official in home visits


https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1037832119966474241[/quote]

Don't you think the joke is him not being mandated to go on these visits? I have just read countless pages of anger towards Mitch Richmond and I don't get it when he is doing the duties of someone who has a cushy job. I do know he works with the players but for all the people who want him to get off of his butt and go recruit then why isn't this anger directed at his boss?[/quote]

Thank you, Happy! I've been saying the same thing, and I've even posted it a couple times.

The anger is misplaced when it comes to Richmond. He's only doing what he's allowed to do. Who is allowing him to not recruit? It's like some folks are obtuse, trying not to blame Mullin or.....

This is what I told a fellow fan yesterday: If Mullin ain't exactly busting his ass recruiting, then he's not gonna expect the same from his buddy. If Mullin was truly out there grinding on the recruiting trail, then he'd probably expect the same from Richmond (unless, there was a serious issue going on in his life).

Before someone come on and say, Mullin was out there in July or he's attending the in-home visits.... Well, any head coach who doesn't wanna catch some serious flak WILL and ARE out there in July. Besides, July is the biggest and most important month when it comes to grassroots hoops. It's the previous months when Mullin should've been visible, but was MIA. Or, times when he could be in a NYC HS gym, but he's invisible.

The in-home visits.... Any coach worth his salt better show up to in-home visits. What coach doesn't show up to in-home's? Not to mention, as I stated above. If he doesn't wanna be villified, then he better show up. The 2019 class is extremely important going forward, so maybe there's a sense of urgency.

Lastly, put the blame at the feet of Richmond's boss.... The head coach. The same head coach who went to bat for Richmond.[/quote]

Are you saying with certainty that CM has not gone to in home visits for our top recruits?

I would agree that just be presence alone, CM and MR walking into the home of a recruit would impress the heck out of a parent if not the kid himself.[/quote]

Nah. I was just saying or rhetorically asking, "What coach doesn't attend in-home visits?" Meaning, I expect him to be at an in-home visit, so no one should be impressed or using it as a gauge of him grinding on the recruiting trail by attending.

I've long said that I think Mullin and Richmond could be formidable duo out on the recruiting trail if they truly put forth 100% effort into the job. I really believe that.[/quote]

I read your post once I totally understood what you wrote.

Not sure what Beast is actually saying since many times he clearly misinterprets or just doesn't understand the overall point.[/quote]

"Not sure what Beast is actually saying since many times he clearly misinterprets or just doesn't understand the overall point."

How could that be possible? He has two degrees in pharmaceutical drug dispensing.[/quote]

How could you go to St. John's and mangle the name of a pharmacy degree? Oh wait, I think I know.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=294357][quote="Class of 72" post=294353][quote="fordham96" post=294350][quote="MJDinkins" post=294344][quote="Beast of the East" post=294342][quote="MJDinkins" post=294341][quote="Happy" post=294328][quote="RedStormNC" post=294305]Mitch must be planning to lock himself inside his office at Taffner to start developing his pre-season development plans and competition film watching. I'm sure he'll have the plans and reports on to Mullin via e-mail before they get back from their visits.

What a joke that a 2nd HOF assistant coach is not joining for official in home visits


https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1037832119966474241[/quote]

Don't you think the joke is him not being mandated to go on these visits? I have just read countless pages of anger towards Mitch Richmond and I don't get it when he is doing the duties of someone who has a cushy job. I do know he works with the players but for all the people who want him to get off of his butt and go recruit then why isn't this anger directed at his boss?[/quote]

Thank you, Happy! I've been saying the same thing, and I've even posted it a couple times.

The anger is misplaced when it comes to Richmond. He's only doing what he's allowed to do. Who is allowing him to not recruit? It's like some folks are obtuse, trying not to blame Mullin or.....

This is what I told a fellow fan yesterday: If Mullin ain't exactly busting his ass recruiting, then he's not gonna expect the same from his buddy. If Mullin was truly out there grinding on the recruiting trail, then he'd probably expect the same from Richmond (unless, there was a serious issue going on in his life).

Before someone come on and say, Mullin was out there in July or he's attending the in-home visits.... Well, any head coach who doesn't wanna catch some serious flak WILL and ARE out there in July. Besides, July is the biggest and most important month when it comes to grassroots hoops. It's the previous months when Mullin should've been visible, but was MIA. Or, times when he could be in a NYC HS gym, but he's invisible.

The in-home visits.... Any coach worth his salt better show up to in-home visits. What coach doesn't show up to in-home's? Not to mention, as I stated above. If he doesn't wanna be villified, then he better show up. The 2019 class is extremely important going forward, so maybe there's a sense of urgency.

Lastly, put the blame at the feet of Richmond's boss.... The head coach. The same head coach who went to bat for Richmond.[/quote]

Are you saying with certainty that CM has not gone to in home visits for our top recruits?

I would agree that just be presence alone, CM and MR walking into the home of a recruit would impress the heck out of a parent if not the kid himself.[/quote]

Nah. I was just saying or rhetorically asking, "What coach doesn't attend in-home visits?" Meaning, I expect him to be at an in-home visit, so no one should be impressed or using it as a gauge of him grinding on the recruiting trail by attending.

I've long said that I think Mullin and Richmond could be formidable duo out on the recruiting trail if they truly put forth 100% effort into the job. I really believe that.[/quote]

I read your post once I totally understood what you wrote.

Not sure what Beast is actually saying since many times he clearly misinterprets or just doesn't understand the overall point.[/quote]

"Not sure what Beast is actually saying since many times he clearly misinterprets or just doesn't understand the overall point."

How could that be possible? He has two degrees in pharmaceutical drug dispensing.[/quote]

How could you go to St. John's and mangle the name of a pharmacy degree? Oh wait, I think I know.[/quote]

I was in the special ed classes at St. John's.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=294321]Austour wrote: I know what you mean. One of the many things I truly miss about New York. My wife and I used to go about 4 times per year and always opening day. Great times.


Thanks Austour - nothing like it. We have great college basketball here in NC, but tennis is limited to something called the Winston-Salem Open which even John Isner skipped this year![/quote]

I use to get the open as I would get tickets from various sources but it has been years since I have gone.
 
Beast: "Yea, jsut 2 NBA HOFers walking into your house has to have a big impact. If MR is a PT resource, then you use him judiciously."

This is what I do not 'get'. Then why isn't it happening with these early 2019 in-home visits?
And by 'a PT resource" do you mean 'part-time'? or 'player development'?

IF Mitch is exclusively a PD 'coach', that eliminates the impact he likely would have in recruiting--a handicap that I think is 'exclusive' to St. John's in the High-Major College Hoops world.
I do not understand how this can be tolerated by....the 'Staff' or the 'Administration'.
It puts us into a hole with many High Majors who have a better 'spin' about their programs--like recent winning seasons and/or better campuses or facilities--that the presence of 2 HOFers on the recruiting trail might--just might--alleviate.
And IF Mitch is a 'part-time' AC on a full-time salary--well, that is 'nonsense'.
I am 'pro-Mullin'.
But to repeat myself (again!): this is not being 'pro or anti’-Mullin, it's caring about what is best for St. John's and its signature sports program.
 
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I agree w/ Fordham earlier than any Richmond role frustration lies with Mullin.

However, it's baffling that either Mullin does not believe MR in attendance at in home visits at this stage help to get over goal. Flip side is I doubt MR is begging Mullin to let him come because he knows double star power will help them down the road as it relates to being able to develop good players and more wins.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=294370]I agree w/ Fordham earlier than any Richmond role frustration lies with Mullin.

However, it's baffling that either Mullin does not believe MR in attendance at in home visits at this stage help to get over goal. Flip side is I doubt MR is begging Mullin to let him come because he knows double star power will help them down the road as it relates to being able to develop good players and more wins.[/quote]

Look it's really foolish to speculate that way. For all we know, the terms under which he was hired were to be available from when the balls are dropped for the first practice and until the season ends. It's possible that Chris saw a value in that, and MR wanted no part of in home visits, and did not want that as part of his responsibilities. Of course we can all see the potential value of using a MR that way, but it's very likely not part of the deal in which he took this position.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=294373][quote="RedStormNC" post=294370]I agree w/ Fordham earlier than any Richmond role frustration lies with Mullin.

However, it's baffling that either Mullin does not believe MR in attendance at in home visits at this stage help to get over goal. Flip side is I doubt MR is begging Mullin to let him come because he knows double star power will help them down the road as it relates to being able to develop good players and more wins.[/quote]

Look it's really foolish to speculate that way. For all we know, the terms under which he was hired were to be available from when the balls are dropped for the first practice and until the season ends. It's possible that Chris saw a value in that, and MR wanted no part of in home visits, and did not want that as part of his responsibilities. Of course we can all see the potential value of using a MR that way, but it's very likely not part of the deal in which he took this position.[/quote]

If that’s the case, ‘we’ cut a lousy deal.
We’re recruiting short 1 full-time AC—not including the likely larger impact a HOFer would have with top HS talent.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=294377][quote="Beast of the East" post=294373][quote="RedStormNC" post=294370]I agree w/ Fordham earlier than any Richmond role frustration lies with Mullin.

However, it's baffling that either Mullin does not believe MR in attendance at in home visits at this stage help to get over goal. Flip side is I doubt MR is begging Mullin to let him come because he knows double star power will help them down the road as it relates to being able to develop good players and more wins.[/quote]

Look it's really foolish to speculate that way. For all we know, the terms under which he was hired were to be available from when the balls are dropped for the first practice and until the season ends. It's possible that Chris saw a value in that, and MR wanted no part of in home visits, and did not want that as part of his responsibilities. Of course we can all see the potential value of using a MR that way, but it's very likely not part of the deal in which he took this position.[/quote]

If that’s the case, ‘we’ cut a lousy deal.
We’re recruiting short 1 full-time AC—not including the likely larger impact a HOFer would have with top HS talent.[/quote]

Look, I don't know and none of us do, but possibly Chris simply asked him to help out on the bench, to help with player development, or something like that. But even more than that, Mitch probably expressed disdain for being out on the recruiting trail. I would say his role was likely defined and restricted more than he is refusing or not being asked to do things that were outlined as part of his job responsibility. Although all of us are trying to figure out exactly what value MR brings, and it's reasonable to do so, it is very likely that the roles we would like him to play are not part of his job at present.
 
I agree with Beast that none of us really know what the duties that Chris assigned to Mitch are , when he stepped up to Asst Coach after Slice .. we do know when Mitch was originally hired as a Special Advisor that his role was limited as to what he could and could not do . Even though , he sat on the Bench during Games . I go back to the position that Mullin defines what Mitch’s role is and St Jean’s role is and what Matt’s role is too . It is possible Chris gave complete rein to Matt on all Matters related to recruiting . If that is the case , Richmond gets a pass on performing duties he was not assigned . So far , Excluding Villanova , I am unfamiliar with any BE school getting a top 10, top 20 or even , top 50 Recruit . Many in the Class of 2019 haven’t committed yet . We could still be in the running for quality Players . Time will tell us that .
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=294378][quote="Chicago Days" post=294377][quote="Beast of the East" post=294373][quote="RedStormNC" post=294370]I agree w/ Fordham earlier than any Richmond role frustration lies with Mullin.

However, it's baffling that either Mullin does not believe MR in attendance at in home visits at this stage help to get over goal. Flip side is I doubt MR is begging Mullin to let him come because he knows double star power will help them down the road as it relates to being able to develop good players and more wins.[/quote]

Look it's really foolish to speculate that way. For all we know, the terms under which he was hired were to be available from when the balls are dropped for the first practice and until the season ends. It's possible that Chris saw a value in that, and MR wanted no part of in home visits, and did not want that as part of his responsibilities. Of course we can all see the potential value of using a MR that way, but it's very likely not part of the deal in which he took this position.[/quote]

If that’s the case, ‘we’ cut a lousy deal.
We’re recruiting short 1 full-time AC—not including the likely larger impact a HOFer would have with top HS talent.[/quote]

Look, I don't know and none of us do, but possibly Chris simply asked him to help out on the bench, to help with player development, or something like that. But even more than that, Mitch probably expressed disdain for being out on the recruiting trail. I would say his role was likely defined and restricted more than he is refusing or not being asked to do things that were outlined as part of his job responsibility. Although all of us are trying to figure out exactly what value MR brings, and it's reasonable to do so, it is very likely that the roles we would like him to play are not part of his job at present.[/quote]

Okay, like Gene Keady he has distinct duties to fulfill.
Fine.
But, what I’m saying is that given the Staff’s structure, the fact that GSJ is early in developing recruiting skill sets, that the fact that Mitch is not recruiting is a setback to our recruiting efforts.
And that makes Mitch’s ‘deal’ a bad one for St. John’s—unless of course, Shamorie, Justin, Marvin, et al, turn into NBA-quality studs, and showcase some of that for the team in 2018-19.
Which would ‘fit’ with my current recruiting prayer: win like crazy and ‘they will come’.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=294380][quote="Beast of the East" post=294378][quote="Chicago Days" post=294377][quote="Beast of the East" post=294373][quote="RedStormNC" post=294370]I agree w/ Fordham earlier than any Richmond role frustration lies with Mullin.

However, it's baffling that either Mullin does not believe MR in attendance at in home visits at this stage help to get over goal. Flip side is I doubt MR is begging Mullin to let him come because he knows double star power will help them down the road as it relates to being able to develop good players and more wins.[/quote]

Look it's really foolish to speculate that way. For all we know, the terms under which he was hired were to be available from when the balls are dropped for the first practice and until the season ends. It's possible that Chris saw a value in that, and MR wanted no part of in home visits, and did not want that as part of his responsibilities. Of course we can all see the potential value of using a MR that way, but it's very likely not part of the deal in which he took this position.[/quote]

If that’s the case, ‘we’ cut a lousy deal.
We’re recruiting short 1 full-time AC—not including the likely larger impact a HOFer would have with top HS talent.[/quote]

Look, I don't know and none of us do, but possibly Chris simply asked him to help out on the bench, to help with player development, or something like that. But even more than that, Mitch probably expressed disdain for being out on the recruiting trail. I would say his role was likely defined and restricted more than he is refusing or not being asked to do things that were outlined as part of his job responsibility. Although all of us are trying to figure out exactly what value MR brings, and it's reasonable to do so, it is very likely that the roles we would like him to play are not part of his job at present.[/quote]

Okay, like Gene Keady he has distinct duties to fulfill.
Fine.
But, what I’m saying is that given the Staff’s structure, the fact that GSJ is early in developing recruiting skill sets, that the fact that Mitch is not recruiting is a setback to our recruiting efforts.
And that makes Mitch’s ‘deal’ a bad one for St. John’s—unless of course, Shamorie, Justin, Marvin, et al, turn into NBA-quality studs, and showcase some of that for the team in 2018-19.
Which would ‘fit’ with my current recruiting prayer: win like crazy and ‘they will come’.[/quote]. Last sentence is a good one , Chicago . Kudos .
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=294380][quote="Beast of the East" post=294378][quote="Chicago Days" post=294377][quote="Beast of the East" post=294373][quote="RedStormNC" post=294370]I agree w/ Fordham earlier than any Richmond role frustration lies with Mullin.

However, it's baffling that either Mullin does not believe MR in attendance at in home visits at this stage help to get over goal. Flip side is I doubt MR is begging Mullin to let him come because he knows double star power will help them down the road as it relates to being able to develop good players and more wins.[/quote]

Look it's really foolish to speculate that way. For all we know, the terms under which he was hired were to be available from when the balls are dropped for the first practice and until the season ends. It's possible that Chris saw a value in that, and MR wanted no part of in home visits, and did not want that as part of his responsibilities. Of course we can all see the potential value of using a MR that way, but it's very likely not part of the deal in which he took this position.[/quote]

If that’s the case, ‘we’ cut a lousy deal.
We’re recruiting short 1 full-time AC—not including the likely larger impact a HOFer would have with top HS talent.[/quote]

Look, I don't know and none of us do, but possibly Chris simply asked him to help out on the bench, to help with player development, or something like that. But even more than that, Mitch probably expressed disdain for being out on the recruiting trail. I would say his role was likely defined and restricted more than he is refusing or not being asked to do things that were outlined as part of his job responsibility. Although all of us are trying to figure out exactly what value MR brings, and it's reasonable to do so, it is very likely that the roles we would like him to play are not part of his job at present.[/quote]

Okay, like Gene Keady he has distinct duties to fulfill.
Fine.
But, what I’m saying is that given the Staff’s structure, the fact that GSJ is early in developing recruiting skill sets, that the fact that Mitch is not recruiting is a setback to our recruiting efforts.
And that makes Mitch’s ‘deal’ a bad one for St. John’s—unless of course, Shamorie, Justin, Marvin, et al, turn into NBA-quality studs, and showcase some of that for the team in 2018-19.
Which would ‘fit’ with my current recruiting prayer: win like crazy and ‘they will come’.[/quote]

Let's make something very clear. Gene Keady was not an assistant coach and did not take one of the 3 such positions available as mandated by NCAA rules. You can have a dozen Gene Keady types on staff if you want, you could move MR there, bring back Zendon and hire Dlo, Marcus and anyone else you want. However Mitch takes one of those 3 AC jobs yet appears to not fulfill any of the roles associated with an AC at a major university. If he was in a Gene Keady role, as I and even Paultzman have said we believe he should, this thread wouldn't exist and there would be a true third AC on staff. The only thing that would remain constant is that the focus of any lack of confidence or satisfaction with the program should solely be focused on the head coach since there's no AD nor anyone else he needs to answer to in reality. The other constant is that this is a message board and none of our opinions are of any importance at all. So Keep Calm and Have a great weekend!
 
I can't find MJM's excellent post on this topic or I'd include it here, but he basically said Coach Mullin has chosen his staff to succeed or fail with and there will be no excuses if it doesn't work.

67 of the ESPN top 100 for 2019 are still unsigned, so it's not like it is too late to sign good recruits. We have several visits upcoming including with some from that top 100 list. Let's see what happens. I expect if we sign a couple of top recruits for 2019 and have an excellent year, the staff criticism will die down. If we have a poor recruiting year and/or don't make the dance, many of the posters on this thread will be justified in saying I told you so (many times), we can't succeed with this staff as constructed. I hope that doesn't happen; only time will tell.
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=294386]I can't find MJM's excellent post on this topic or I'd include it here, but he basically said Coach Mullin has chosen his staff to succeed or fail with and there will be no excuses if it doesn't work. 67 of the ESPN top 100 for 2019 are still unsigned, so it's not like it is too late to sign good recruits. We have several visits upcoming including with some from that top 100 list. Let's see what happens. I expect if we sign a couple of top recruits for 2019 and have an excellent year, the staff criticism will die down. If we have a poor recruiting year and/or don't make the dance, many of the posters on this thread will be justified in saying I told you so (many times), we can't succeed with this staff as constructed. I hope that doesn't happen; only time will tell.[/quote]

Hi NCJohnnie. I also hope (and pray to the hoop gods) that doesn't happen.
This entire Board will root like crazy for the team.
Meanwhile (to repeat myself!), we're at a distinct disadvantage in Staffing Structure--not having a full-time 3rd AC-- versus our major competition and it mystifies me why CM does not appear concerned about it.
As many of us have said: we have a very talented roster going into this coming season (with Mustapha) and should win, maybe big-time.
Let's hope we do, and attract top talent.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=294386]I can't find MJM's excellent post on this topic or I'd include it here, but he basically said Coach Mullin has chosen his staff to succeed or fail with and there will be no excuses if it doesn't work. 67 of the ESPN top 100 for 2019 are still unsigned, so it's not like it is too late to sign good recruits. We have several visits upcoming including with some from that top 100 list. Let's see what happens. I expect if we sign a couple of top recruits for 2019 and have an excellent year, the staff criticism will die down. If we have a poor recruiting year and/or don't make the dance, many of the posters on this thread will be justified in saying I told you so (many times), we can't succeed with this staff as constructed. I hope that doesn't happen; only time will tell.[/quote]

If Chris want to have a successful career here, then they better start winning this year, because we'll be losiing alot.
Top recruits will come if they see SJU rising up this year.
If Chris fails then we'll lose alot and get 3* recruits along with transfers, yawn, and Chris will be a failure as coach here. Oh and after last year when we did good, and this ooc schedule (softer), and a way better bench.
The OOC schedule means nothing. Just win the pre-season tourny, and win at Cameroon.
To me the season begins December 29th.
 
The Objective: Take a program mired in a long stretch of failure, with a campus and facilities inferior to its competitors, and climb the ladder of a strong and very competitive conference.

The Approach: We will do it with one hand tied behind our back. Or, more specifically, we will recruit with one less coach than all of our competitors.

The Response: Why?
 
Chicago Days wrote: Hi NCJohnnie. I also hope (and pray to the hoop gods) that doesn't happen.
This entire Board will root like crazy for the team.
Meanwhile (to repeat myself!), we're at a distinct disadvantage in Staffing Structure--not having a full-time 3rd AC-- versus our major competition and it mystifies me why CM does not appear concerned about it.
As many of us have said: we have a very talented roster going into this coming season (with Mustapha) and should win, maybe big-time.
Let's hope we do, and attract top talent.


Hi Chicago, understand that you (and many other posters) feel that CM is hamstringing the program with his use (or non-use) of Mitch. Maybe it is the case that Mitch is not expected to do any recruiting or he just isn't doing it and Mullin is allowing that to happen and CM is unconcerned about going into battle against rest of BE with one less recruiter than the competition. But we don't know any of that to be true and I am uncomfortable making those assumptions as there has also been speculation that Mitch may have had reasons to be absent this summer. I think the level of Mitch's involvement on an ongoing basis will become apparent this fall and at some point I'd expect Zach or another writer to ask Mullin about it if it does continue. Just to be clear, I agree with you 100% that it doesn't make sense to have a part-time AC who doesn't recruit if that is in fact Mitch's job description.
 
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