a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

What is so difficult to understand? 1) this is a message board 2) fans will have a generally positive outlook if we are successful and a generally negative outlook if we have lots of issues and losses. That’s 100% logical and says absolutely nothing about the posters personally. If we were making tourneys regularly the fanbase would be chugging champagne. But we have sucked.
 
I've been pretty optimistic since February 5. Actually, don't think I posted anything negative from February through July.

However, that changed the past couple weeks. The Rice situation is now getting a bit concerning, and the schedule really pisses me off. These are situations that are not as complex as the 11 game losing streak. I can accept that since we played a lot of close games, were playing hard, lost LoVett, etc. But I can't defend this stuff. This is just incompetence.

What we need is for the season to start and for us to start winning. And of course, a positive Heron verdict I think would change the optimism on this board dramatically.
 
[quote="AlBovino" post=292784]Petulant children in need of a participation trophy![/quote] Most of the posters here either have children or grandchildren :)
 
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[quote="Adam" post=292787]I've been pretty optimistic since February 5. Actually, don't think I posted anything negative from February through July.

However, that changed the past couple weeks. The Rice situation is now getting a bit concerning, and the schedule really pisses me off. These are situations that are not as complex as the 11 game losing streak. I can accept that since we played a lot of close games, were playing hard, lost LoVett, etc. But I can't defend this stuff. This is just incompetence.

What we need is for the season to start and for us to start winning. And of course, a positive Heron verdict I think would change the optimism on this board dramatically.[/quote]

Adam is on point as usual. The schedule is pure unadulterated ineptness. An indefensible steaming pile of garbage.
 
[quote="fun" post=292778][quote="Chicago Days" post=292756]How isn't playing intense man-man & zone D not' strategy', or a 'plan'?
Doing that would greatly reduce those wide-open 3s that killed us last year.
(Many things did that to us last year, for sure.)
How isn't executing effective offensive sets, with crisp ball movement, not a 'plan' (practiced ad nauseam) that would lead to more wins?
How is a 'plan' to crash the boards, to teach the importance of that, not a 'plan' to improve our woeful rebounding differential last year--10th place in the BEC; how is that not a 'plan', not a tactic' to generate more success?
Sure, it's improving poor execution, but that's a 'tactical plan' to work on poor 'execution' and make 'adjustments during games.
Whether it's called strategy or tactics or plans, or improving play execution, it seems to role into a primary notion to me: honing a 'plan' to win by improving 'poor execution', and making in-game adjustments to that.[/quote]

I'm not going to argue with you about the meaning of common words. I'll content myself with noting how you're had to twist yourself into a rhetorical pretzel to defend your original assertion: "we’ve been short-handed in in-game strategy." I disagree with that statement. I find absurd the idea that SJ does not win games because of decisions Chris Mullin makes "in game."

Because in common parlance "in game strategy" relative to basketball means coaching decisions related to events occurring during the 40 minutes of game play: what defense to play when and when and if to switch defenses, which offensive sets to run when, use of time outs, player rotation and substitution, end of half and game situations - to foul or not to foul, subbing offense for defense - when and how to work the referees. And most critically whether to sit on the scorer's table. In game strategy is not "crisp ball movement ... practiced ad nauseam" because you can't and shouldn't practice during the game. During the game the team should be attempting to win by scoring more points than the team they're playing, they shouldn't be "practicing" so they can beat some other team they'll be playing in the future. I'd think that was self-evident. And if Mullin waits until during the game "to teach the importance" of rebounding, or to stress "improving poor execution," that's not going to be terribly effective, in the same way that teaching someone to swim while the boat is sinking is likely to lead to both parties drowning. What you're talking about is system and practice. It might well be that Mullin's system stinks and he has no idea how to run a practice - I have know way of knowing and suspect you don't either - and it may be that Mike Rice and his career .29 BE winning percentage is just the guy to take SJ to the next level by addressing those deficiencies. Personally I'd rather have more skilled, experienced players than a new assistant coach. As usual, YMMV.[/quote]

K good, but to me, a ‘plan’ to correct deficiencies of execution is a ‘strategy’ where implemented in practices or during games.
But, it was obvious, we lacked talent last year and depth.
And, as you said Nova and Duke and others thrive by the 3; and they also are proficient in rebounding and ball movement and play solid D.
So, yes it begins and ends with players.
Hopefully, this year we’ve got them.
Thanks.
 
[quote="johnny redman" post=292759]Chris mullin and mitch richmond are doing a great job. All this talk about rice is annoying and insulting. All this frenetic blah blah blah is not something we would like to teach our student athletes. Our staff (including mitch) have set a great example for our athletes. Screaming and second guessing is not what we want from our players. Go St. Johns![/quote]

You lost me at "Mitch....is doing a great job":whistle:
Mitch has been collecting a $15,000 per month unemployment check since April!:evil:
We used to have mystery recruits. Now we have mystery posters.
No we don't want screaming players. We also don't want half of our recruits transferring or leaving the program.
Your post is very unusual given how we have stunk for three years.
I'm going to assume that you are Danish because something stinks about your post out of left field.
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292789][quote="Adam" post=292787]I've been pretty optimistic since February 5. Actually, don't think I posted anything negative from February through July.

However, that changed the past couple weeks. The Rice situation is now getting a bit concerning, and the schedule really pisses me off. These are situations that are not as complex as the 11 game losing streak. I can accept that since we played a lot of close games, were playing hard, lost LoVett, etc. But I can't defend this stuff. This is just incompetence.

What we need is for the season to start and for us to start winning. And of course, a positive Heron verdict I think would change the optimism on this board dramatically.[/quote]

Adam is on point as usual. The schedule is pure unadulterated ineptness. An indefensible steaming pile of garbage.[/quote]
In August :)
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=292788][quote="AlBovino" post=292784]Petulant children in need of a participation trophy![/quote] Most of the posters here either have children or grandchildren :)[/quote]

After the way St. John's, in general, and it's basketball program, in particular, have been managed for the last 25 years, you should be grateful there are people who still care enough to critique things. Many former alums and fans have simply become indifferent.
I would be happy if we could, for a change, not have to play on Wed. night in the Big East Tournament. An NCAA bid would hopefully follow.
"Knowledge is good."
 
Most on this Board are pleased with the roster.
There’s the usual angst about ‘finally closing’ onour top 2019 targets—which I must say seems a normal emotion to me from a Board starved for a consistently successful and winning men’s basketball program.
And a logical way to improve our chances with recruits would be to have one more solid recruiter on board.
So, the rise in the verbal spittle and foaming at the mouth these past 10 days or so was due to the sudden ‘discovery’ that rice is not ready to serve because the serving dish is missing and can’t be replaced until it’s found.
Let’s hope we can find that old serving platter so we can replace it.
Only at St. John’s.
Let the games begin.
 
We all know the schedule stinks but what is the average RPI for the teams on our OCC schedule and how does that compare to the OCC schedule of the other schools in the Big East?
 
[quote="filet" post=292796]We all know the schedule stinks but what is the average RPI for the teams on our OCC schedule and how does that compare to the OCC schedule of the other schools in the Big East?[/quote]
Without even looking I would venture to say that in comparison to most of the other BE teams our OOC schedule would be filleted.
 
[quote="filet" post=292796]We all know the schedule stinks but what is the average RPI for the teams on our OCC schedule and how does that compare to the OCC schedule of the other schools in the Big East?[/quote]

211 average. I did some math on this a few pages back, and I believe that would translate to roughly a 335 OOC SOS and be worse than any major team last year (aside from Georgetown). So yeah, it's atrocious.
 
[quote="Adam" post=292799][quote="filet" post=292796]We all know the schedule stinks but what is the average RPI for the teams on our OCC schedule and how does that compare to the OCC schedule of the other schools in the Big East?[/quote]

211 average. I did some math on this a few pages back, and I believe that would translate to roughly a 335 OOC SOS and be worse than any major team last year (aside from Georgetown). So yeah, it's atrocious.[/quote] holy shite I knew its bad but didnt realize that bad
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=292792][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292789][quote="Adam" post=292787]I've been pretty optimistic since February 5. Actually, don't think I posted anything negative from February through July.

However, that changed the past couple weeks. The Rice situation is now getting a bit concerning, and the schedule really pisses me off. These are situations that are not as complex as the 11 game losing streak. I can accept that since we played a lot of close games, were playing hard, lost LoVett, etc. But I can't defend this stuff. This is just incompetence.

What we need is for the season to start and for us to start winning. And of course, a positive Heron verdict I think would change the optimism on this board dramatically.[/quote]

Adam is on point as usual. The schedule is pure unadulterated ineptness. An indefensible steaming pile of garbage.[/quote]
In August :)[/quote]

Would take a miracle for it to be even slightly below average. Based on last year, we have 4/5 300+ teams and 1/2 1-100 teams (if we play Temple rather than VCU). Last year the inverse was true, with 5 top 100 teams and only 1 team ranked higher than 300.

It's going to take a lot more than a couple teams overperforming. We all know the top isn't good, but the bottom is just as concerning.

Sure anything can happen, but I just don't see this schedule becoming anything except mediocre. We can all hope these teams overperform... but aren't they just as likely to underperform? Most likely scenario is the 13 will all average out (some doing better, some worse) and perform similarly to last year.

I usually agree with you, but have to disagree here. IMO, you're taking a "so you're saying there's a chance" outlook.

But hey, go 13-0 (maybe 12-1) and we'll all be thrilled.
 
[quote="Adam" post=292803][quote="Paultzman" post=292792][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292789][quote="Adam" post=292787]I've been pretty optimistic since February 5. Actually, don't think I posted anything negative from February through July.

However, that changed the past couple weeks. The Rice situation is now getting a bit concerning, and the schedule really pisses me off. These are situations that are not as complex as the 11 game losing streak. I can accept that since we played a lot of close games, were playing hard, lost LoVett, etc. But I can't defend this stuff. This is just incompetence.

What we need is for the season to start and for us to start winning. And of course, a positive Heron verdict I think would change the optimism on this board dramatically.[/quote]

Adam is on point as usual. The schedule is pure unadulterated ineptness. An indefensible steaming pile of garbage.[/quote]
In August :)[/quote]

Would take a miracle for it to be even slightly below average. Based on last year, we have 4/5 300+ teams and 1/2 1-100 teams (if we play Temple rather than VCU). Last year the inverse was true, with 5 top 100 teams and only 1 team ranked higher than 300.

It's going to take a lot more than a couple teams overperforming. We all know the top isn't good, but the bottom is just as concerning.

Sure anything can happen, but I just don't see this schedule becoming anything except mediocre. We can all hope these teams overperform... but aren't they just as likely to underperform? Most likely scenario is the 13 will all average out (some doing better, some worse) and perform similarly to last year.

I usually agree with you, but have to disagree here. IMO, you're taking a "so you're saying there's a chance" outlook.

But hey, go 13-0 (maybe 12-1) and we'll all be thrilled.[/quote]

That's the ticket!
Go 12-0 Pre-BE OOC schedule, then beat Duke, 2nd year running, to go 13-0 iOC, and combine with a Top 3 Finish in the Conference and a good run in the BET.
That would 'likely' do it.
Start praying.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=292806][attachment=331]FAA4FBAC-0381-4776-B802-3D576E2F0EEC.jpeg[/attachment][/quote]

your avatar is priceless.
 
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Sunlight in an abandoned bathroom

Hmmmmm wonder what that means
 
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Is that where Mitch has been hiding?
 
No, he's been hiding here. (sorry, too easy)

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