a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

[quote="bamafan" post=292674][quote="MarkRedman" post=292672]Patience is a four letter word on this site[/quote]
Waiting over a year for the resolution of the hiring an assistant coach or not, how much patience do you expect. I for one have long ago stopped being concerned about this matter.[/quote]

We've been waiting, but as far as the school is concerned, there hasn't been an opening.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=292692]I have said repeatedly I prefer he reach out to Kevin Ollie. I am not sure Ollie would say yes but he would be a great staff addition.

But I would settle for Rice....[/quote]

NO!
 
[quote="L J S A" post=292699][quote="bamafan" post=292674][quote="MarkRedman" post=292672]Patience is a four letter word on this site[/quote]
Waiting over a year for the resolution of the hiring an assistant coach or not, how much patience do you expect. I for one have long ago stopped being concerned about this matter.[/quote]

We've been waiting, but as far as the school is concerned, there hasn't been an opening.[/quote]

There hasn't been an opening because the powers that be screwed up royally with the banishment of Barry "Slice" Rohrssen. It falls at Mullin's feet but Oliva is Chief Counsel and President Bobby should have had guarantees from both those knuckleheads that the termination was on the up-and-up. The level of incompetence in this case is one for the textbooks.
Forget Kevin Ollie as an assistant as that would be below him If Mullin bombs this season KO would be an interesting candidate with Rice as his top assistant. Keeping Matt would also be a priority.
But we are getting ahead of ourselves because the current staff has been on extended holiday and I still think something will happen in the next few weeks.
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=292692]I have said repeatedly I prefer he reach out to Kevin Ollie. I am not sure Ollie would say yes but he would be a great staff addition.

But I would settle for Rice....[/quote]

Oh, heck no!
 
[quote="fun" post=292691][quote="Chicago Days" post=292682]The fact we’ve been short-handed in in-game strategy[/quote]

Can you cite some of the in game strategies that we've been short-handed in? I'm always eager to learn more about basketball.[/quote]

Improving D against the kick-back wide open 3, that hurt us repeatedly last year.
Working on moving better without the ball, improving ball movement, and not have 3 - 4 guys standing outside the arc ready to launch a 3...crashing the boards with intensity instead.
And deflate the ball when our opponents have it...that would definitely work.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=292706][quote="fun" post=292691][quote="Chicago Days" post=292682]The fact we’ve been short-handed in in-game strategy[/quote]

Can you cite some of the in game strategies that we've been short-handed in? I'm always eager to learn more about basketball.[/quote]

Improving D against the kick-back wide open 3, that hurt us repeatedly last year.
Working on moving better without the ball, improving ball movement, and not have 3 - 4 guys standing outside the arc ready to launch a 3...crashing the boards with intensity instead.
And deflate the ball when our opponents have it...that would definitely work.[/quote]

Also, Mullin has been selling an NBA type offense. The problem with that is he is coaching college kids. The reason for few in game strategy adjustments is there are few strategies employed in the NBA game where the players dictate the tempo and rely on stars such as LeBron to dominate games. Mullin was more than happy to have Shamorie control games but the rest of the team rarely was able to pick up the slack when Slick slipped up. The college games takes a lot of coaching up to young inexperienced kids. There are no experienced college coaches on the team and shows in some of the games we should have won. The on-the-job training is over at veteran coaches salaries. In their 4th year together they either get it or they don't.
Let the games begin!
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=292706]
Improving D against the kick-back wide open 3, that hurt us repeatedly last year.[/quote]

That's unfortunately been an issue for probably 22 out of the last 25 years. It's infuriating.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=292710][quote="Chicago Days" post=292706]
Improving D against the kick-back wide open 3, that hurt us repeatedly last year.[/quote]

That's unfortunately been an issue for probably 22 out of the last 25 years. It's infuriating.[/quote]

Lol. It has and it kills me too!
 
The biggest issue is talent accumulation and depth, period. The idea they are losing games because if in game coaching is nonsense. They need to recruit better, period. Both talent and depth on a more consistent basis. This year clearly is lining up to be best year, but this staff was not hired to be a 1 in 4 year staff. It was to be good every year and to set their sets on competing with Nova for BE titles.

To do that you need players. That is where a solid assistant with grass roots connections can help.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=292709][quote="Chicago Days" post=292706][quote="fun" post=292691][quote="Chicago Days" post=292682]The fact we’ve been short-handed in in-game strategy[/quote]

Can you cite some of the in game strategies that we've been short-handed in? I'm always eager to learn more about basketball.[/quote]

Improving D against the kick-back wide open 3, that hurt us repeatedly last year.
Working on moving better without the ball, improving ball movement, and not have 3 - 4 guys standing outside the arc ready to launch a 3...crashing the boards with intensity instead.
And deflate the ball when our opponents have it...that would definitely work.[/quote]

Also, Mullin has been selling an NBA type offense. The problem with that is he is coaching college kids. The reason for few in game strategy adjustments is there are few strategies employed in the NBA game where the players dictate the tempo and rely on stars such as LeBron to dominate games. Mullin was more than happy to have Shamorie control games but the rest of the team rarely was able to pick up the slack when Slick slipped up. The college games takes a lot of coaching up to young inexperienced kids. There are no experienced college coaches on the team and shows in some of the games we should have won. The on-the-job training is over at veteran coaches salaries. In their 4th year together they either get it or they don't.
Let the games begin![/quote]

Yup, you nailed it '72. A better roster should improve execution, but we need more x/o coaching, which why we need an experienced AC
Let the games begin!
 
[quote="fordham96" post=292712]The biggest issue is talent accumulation and depth, period. The idea they are losing games because if in game coaching is nonsense. They need to recruit better, period. Both talent and depth on a more consistent basis. This year clearly is lining up to be best year, but this staff was not hired to be a 1 in 4 year staff. It was to be good every year and to set their sets on competing with Nova for BE titles.

To do that you need players. That is where a solid assistant withdrawals connections can help.[/quote]

Agree '96. The better roster should improve execution and a good AC could further that, and one with solid local HS and AAU connections could boost recruiting.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=292706][quote="fun" post=292691][quote="Chicago Days" post=292682]The fact we’ve been short-handed in in-game strategy[/quote]

Can you cite some of the in game strategies that we've been short-handed in? I'm always eager to learn more about basketball.[/quote]

Improving D against the kick-back wide open 3, that hurt us repeatedly last year.
Working on moving better without the ball, improving ball movement, and not have 3 - 4 guys standing outside the arc ready to launch a 3...crashing the boards with intensity instead.
And deflate the ball when our opponents have it...that would definitely work.[/quote]

You think improving the defense and working on ball movement is a matter of in game strategy, do you? And presumably in practice Mullin will call time outs and work the refs and St Jean can draw up plays on his whiteboard.
 
[quote="fun" post=292719][quote="Chicago Days" post=292706][quote="fun" post=292691][quote="Chicago Days" post=292682]The fact we’ve been short-handed in in-game strategy[/quote]

Can you cite some of the in game strategies that we've been short-handed in? I'm always eager to learn more about basketball.[/quote]

Improving D against the kick-back wide open 3, that hurt us repeatedly last year.
Working on moving better without the ball, improving ball movement, and not have 3 - 4 guys standing outside the arc ready to launch a 3...crashing the boards with intensity instead.
And deflate the ball when our opponents have it...that would definitely work.[/quote]

You think improving the defense and working on ball movement is a matter of in game strategy, do you? And presumably in practice Mullin will call time outs and work the refs and St Jean can draw up plays on his whiteboard.[/quote]

Witty retorts that sarcastically take issue with opinions expressed by others require little effort. It’s much easier to belittle somebody else’s thought than to express and ultimately support one of your own.

Fun, if you’re suggesting that Mullin is a good coach then articulate that and provide some support. If you have some other opinion please express it. But these attempts at sarcasm add little value to the Board.
 
With more talented players in the backcourt and wings Mullin can now;
Pressure teams susceptible to pressure defenses for longer periods of time
SJU players should be less gassed at end of games
Losing a player who fouls out will not be as disastrous as recent years
Losing a starter for a game or two because of a minor injury will not hurt as much
Practices will be more competative
 
[quote="Enright" post=292724]With more talented players in the backcourt and wings Mullin can now;
Pressure teams susceptible to pressure defenses for longer periods of time
SJU players should be less gassed at end of games
Losing a player who fouls out will not be as disastrous as recent years
Losing a starter for a game or two because of a minor injury will not hurt as much
Practices will be more competative[/quote]

Backcourt and wings? I'll agree our backcourt depth will be terrific but the wings? That's still a crap shoot. Clark played 20 feet from the basket and Figueroa will have to adapt to D1 ball. How Keita gets integrated in the lineup will be key. Heron is a big question mark. There is not enough "experienced" depth to guarantee anything. How these players get prepared in more competitive practices will be a factor in how quickly they gel. That's where Mitch Richmond will play a very important role.:whistle: :S :whistle:
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=292723]Witty retorts that sarcastically take issue with opinions expressed by others require little effort. It’s much easier to belittle somebody else’s thought than to express and ultimately support one of your own.[/quote]

Thanks Oprah, I'll keep that in mind moving forward.

Fun, if you’re suggesting that Mullin is a good coach then articulate that and provide some support.
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I didn't suggest anything. The other guy said that Mullin was deficient as an in game strategist. I asked him for examples. He said that the team was not crashing the boards and moving the ball. Those are not strategies and if they are strategies not doing them is probably not Mullin's strategies and if they are they're best addressed at practice. If you think saying "rebound" and "move the ball" is strategy we have a fundamental disagreement about what the word strategy means.

If you have some other opinion please express it.
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I did express it. You seem to have a problem with the method of delivery. Complain to the moderators about my use of irony, perhaps I'll be de platformed.

But these attempts at sarcasm add little value to the Board.
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Value to the board, quite, like your post telling me how to post, this gem right here. Priceless. Value to this 40 page thread about a rumor about an assistant coach where the same seven people say the same three things over and over again for weeks on end. And the stuff about lobster roles and Lost. I'd hate to detract from that.

You want my opinion? My opinion is that if my half a dozen posts a week are destroying your enjoyment of this forum, then you take me significantly more seriously that I take myself and substantially more seriously than I take you.

Good day.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=292694][quote="fun" post=292691][quote="Chicago Days" post=292682]The fact we’ve been short-handed in in-game strategy[/quote]

Can you cite some of the in game strategies that we've been short-handed in? I'm always eager to learn more about basketball.[/quote]

Last year, after the Villanova loss at MSG, some on the boards (and in the stands) vilified Mullin for allowing Clark to take a wide open three late in the game (which he missed), when we were down about 6 points. Dumbest piece of criticism that I've ever heard.[/quote]

That's not even close to what people are talking about. Pay any attention to the games we were in till the end? And the schemes and plays we run after timeouts during crunch time? Flat out embarrassing. Almost every single time. Better off not even calling timeouts. How about the standing and watching on offense? Very scarce movement off the ball. There's an in-game coaching black-hole on this team. CM's stubbornness to refuse to part ways with his buddy Mitch or his friend's son GSJ is now hurting this program. That's a fact. Games have been lost due to coaching. There's 0 room for that nonsense any more. Hire someone who can coach college kids. That simple.
 
[quote="fun" post=292719][quote="Chicago Days" post=292706][quote="fun" post=292691][quote="Chicago Days" post=292682]The fact we’ve been short-handed in in-game strategy[/quote]

Can you cite some of the in game strategies that we've been short-handed in? I'm always eager to learn more about basketball.[/quote]

Improving D against the kick-back wide open 3, that hurt us repeatedly last year.
Working on moving better without the ball, improving ball movement, and not have 3 - 4 guys standing outside the arc ready to launch a 3...crashing the boards with intensity instead.
And deflate the ball when our opponents have it...that would definitely work.[/quote]

You think improving the defense and working on ball movement is a matter of in game strategy, do you? And presumably in practice Mullin will call time outs and work the refs and St Jean can draw up plays on his whiteboard.[/quote]

Not sure what you’re critiquing. Woeful 3-pt defense, lethargic offensive sets through a dismal 4-14 BEC 9th Place finish, and not adjusting to these deficiencies, would seem to qualify as tactics/strategies to work on during practices and hone during games for next season.
The markedly improved roster will help, but also hiring an experienced AC would imo add great value to these efforts.
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=292740]Not sure what you’re critiquing. Woeful 3-pt defense, lethargic offensive sets through a dismal 4-14 BEC 9th Place finish, and not adjusting to these deficiencies, would seem to qualify as tactics/strategies to work on during practices and hone during games for next season. The markedly improved roster will help, but also hiring an experienced AC would imo add great value to these efforts.[/quote]

I have no opinion about whether Mike Rice would be detrimental or beneficial to the over all trajectory of the SJU basketball program. And not being a college BB insider with moles and sources like so many of the well connected posters here I have no idea what Mitch Richmond does or doesn't do in practice or on the bench or recruiting wise
or relative to the aspirations of recruits who might want to study at the feet of a HOF BB player. I have no idea about it and furthermore no opinion. I don't care. As Norman Dale said: my team is on the court.

That said, here's what I'm critiquing.

You said: "we’ve been short-handed in in-game strategy."

I asked what those strategies were.

You cited

*improving D against the kick-back wide open 3

*improving ball movement

*not have 3 - 4 guys standing outside the arc ready to launch a 3

*[not] crashing the boards with intensity

One of those things - reliance on 3-point shooting - is a strategy. And it's one used to great effect by inter alia Villanova, Kansas and Dook. So anecdotal evidence suggests its not a bad strategy. The difference between them and us is execution: they make theirs and we don't.

Failing to close out on shooters is not a strategy, unless you think Mullin is telling his team "don't bother to close out on shooters." That would be bad strategy. Not bothering with rebounding is not a strategy, unless Mullin is saying - as dopey Steve Lavin once did: "Rebounding is over rated. Don't bother trying to rebound." That would be bad strategy, if that's what he's telling them. I doubt he is. I don't know whether Mullin will ever evolve into a quality college BB coach but I'm pretty sure he has a rudimentary understanding of the fundamentals of basketball, that he understands that rebounding and defense and ball movement are important.

What you're talking about - what you're calling strategy - is a failure of execution, which comprises a lack of talent and will and effort and experience on the part of the players and a failure on the part of the staff to impart to the players the importance of those things. It has nothing to do with strategy, a word that means "a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim." If SJ needs Mike Rice to formulate and implement a plan to achieve success they should fire Mullin and hire him.
 
[quote="fun" post=292727][quote="Boo Harvey" post=292723]Witty retorts that sarcastically take issue with opinions expressed by others require little effort. It’s much easier to belittle somebody else’s thought than to express and ultimately support one of your own.[/quote]

Thanks Oprah, I'll keep that in mind moving forward.

Fun, if you’re suggesting that Mullin is a good coach then articulate that and provide some support.
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I didn't suggest anything. The other guy said that Mullin was deficient as an in game strategist. I asked him for examples. He said that the team was not crashing the boards and moving the ball. Those are not strategies and if they are strategies not doing them is probably not Mullin's strategies and if they are they're best addressed at practice. If you think saying "rebound" and "move the ball" is strategy we have a fundamental disagreement about what the word strategy means.

If you have some other opinion please express it.
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I did express it. You seem to have a problem with the method of delivery. Complain to the moderators about my use of irony, perhaps I'll be de platformed.

But these attempts at sarcasm add little value to the Board.
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Value to the board, quite, like your post telling me how to post, this gem right here. Priceless. Value to this 40 page thread about a rumor about an assistant coach where the same seven people say the same three things over and over again for weeks on end. And the stuff about lobster roles and Lost. I'd hate to detract from that.

You want my opinion? My opinion is that if my half a dozen posts a week are destroying your enjoyment of this forum, then you take me significantly more seriously that I take myself and substantially more seriously than I take you.

Good day.[/quote]

For some reason your posts are more annoying to me than the others. Perhaps it’s because you write them with a snarky self-satisfaction that you are the smartest guy on the Board, a fact which you yourself would and probably have conceded is no great accomplishment. Just seems to me there are better places to show off your wit that a SJU basketball chat board, but who am I to judge. Whatever floats your boat.
 
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