40 Minutes Of "P.U."
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[quote="mkras99" post=363839]Not sure if this question was asked already, but why 60 minutes when the game is only 40 minutes long? Was the “PU” 1.5 times as bad as normal?[/quote] wow that went over every one of our heads the last day . lol
Moose
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=363840][quote="mkras99" post=363839]Not sure if this question was asked already, but why 60 minutes when the game is only 40 minutes long? Was the “PU” 1.5 times as bad as normal?[/quote] wow that went over every one of our heads the last day . lol[/quote]
Shows how bad the rest of it was.
Shows how bad the rest of it was.
Moose
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[quote="MCNPA" post=363847][quote="Moose" post=363836]Little refresher
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Yeah that’s exactly what I wanna see him doing. Yamming people at every turn under the basket.[/quote]
He might like to shoot from the outside a bit but I think he's more of an 'old school' big man
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Yeah that’s exactly what I wanna see him doing. Yamming people at every turn under the basket.[/quote]
He might like to shoot from the outside a bit but I think he's more of an 'old school' big man
beast of the east
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[quote="Moose" post=363844][quote="mjmaherjr" post=363840][quote="mkras99" post=363839]Not sure if this question was asked already, but why 60 minutes when the game is only 40 minutes long? Was the “PU” 1.5 times as bad as normal?[/quote] wow that went over every one of our heads the last day . lol[/quote]
Shows how bad the rest of it was.[/quote]
Btw if Heron's season is going to be as inconsistent as last year. We are dead already
Shows how bad the rest of it was.[/quote]
Btw if Heron's season is going to be as inconsistent as last year. We are dead already
[quote="Moose" post=363848][quote="MCNPA" post=363847][quote="Moose" post=363836]Little refresher
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Yeah that’s exactly what I wanna see him doing. Yamming people at every turn under the basket.[/quote]
He might like to shoot from the outside a bit but I think he's more of an 'old school' big man[/quote]
Before the season started I’m sure 100% of the board would have said he’d be the best of the center/inside options. Probably wouldn’t be close. Now at this point if he is clearly the best interior player we have I will be thrilled.
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Yeah that’s exactly what I wanna see him doing. Yamming people at every turn under the basket.[/quote]
He might like to shoot from the outside a bit but I think he's more of an 'old school' big man[/quote]
Before the season started I’m sure 100% of the board would have said he’d be the best of the center/inside options. Probably wouldn’t be close. Now at this point if he is clearly the best interior player we have I will be thrilled.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=363849][quote="Moose" post=363844][quote="mjmaherjr" post=363840][quote="mkras99" post=363839]Not sure if this question was asked already, but why 60 minutes when the game is only 40 minutes long? Was the “PU” 1.5 times as bad as normal?[/quote] wow that went over every one of our heads the last day . lol[/quote]
Shows how bad the rest of it was.[/quote]
Btw if Heron's season is going to be as inconsistent as last year. We are dead already[/quote]
If he stinks vs. Columbia I'd start Caraher over him vs. Az St. and put him in at the under 16
Shows how bad the rest of it was.[/quote]
Btw if Heron's season is going to be as inconsistent as last year. We are dead already[/quote]
If he stinks vs. Columbia I'd start Caraher over him vs. Az St. and put him in at the under 16
beast of the east
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[quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=363851][quote="Beast of the East" post=363849][quote="Moose" post=363844][quote="mjmaherjr" post=363840][quote="mkras99" post=363839]Not sure if this question was asked already, but why 60 minutes when the game is only 40 minutes long? Was the “PU” 1.5 times as bad as normal?[/quote] wow that went over every one of our heads the last day . lol[/quote]
Shows how bad the rest of it was.[/quote]
Btw if Heron's season is going to be as inconsistent as last year. We are dead already[/quote]
If he stinks vs. Columbia I'd start Caraher over him vs. Az St. and put him in at the under 16[/quote]
He is by far our most skilled player. They cannot give up on him.
Figueroas low % floaters to the hoop just show how unpolished he is despite immense physical skills.
Shows how bad the rest of it was.[/quote]
Btw if Heron's season is going to be as inconsistent as last year. We are dead already[/quote]
If he stinks vs. Columbia I'd start Caraher over him vs. Az St. and put him in at the under 16[/quote]
He is by far our most skilled player. They cannot give up on him.
Figueroas low % floaters to the hoop just show how unpolished he is despite immense physical skills.
[quote="Class of 72" post=363821][quote="Monte" post=363791][quote="BrookJersey Redmen" post=363790]Doc keep posting although I don't always agree I like your stuff.
Tough losses like this bring out the passion. Maybe just maybe this team will take a lesson from the "L".[/quote]
Agree. I think his post was written out of frustration after a tough loss. I do get it. And I don't like the personal attacks on him even if you think he's 100% wrong.[/quote]
For those not familiar with Doc Butler he is a musician like Fun in his alter ego. Hence my reference to him as Guitar Man (Bread). All artists are sensitive and tend to take artistic license. Fun voluntarily suspended his license here on redmen.com after suffering 3 straight losing seasons under the guest appearance by his hero. He has reinvented himself under another pseudonym on that other board together with Baldi and Marillac. When the going gets rough some suburbanites get going. Being a Long Island boy, Doc is following in that path but the kitchen may get hot here after losses but he and his views are always welcomed. We are not Antifa here and are not afraid of others opinions.
Welcome back Doc!B) B)[/quote]
I got the David Gates reference lol
Tough losses like this bring out the passion. Maybe just maybe this team will take a lesson from the "L".[/quote]
Agree. I think his post was written out of frustration after a tough loss. I do get it. And I don't like the personal attacks on him even if you think he's 100% wrong.[/quote]
For those not familiar with Doc Butler he is a musician like Fun in his alter ego. Hence my reference to him as Guitar Man (Bread). All artists are sensitive and tend to take artistic license. Fun voluntarily suspended his license here on redmen.com after suffering 3 straight losing seasons under the guest appearance by his hero. He has reinvented himself under another pseudonym on that other board together with Baldi and Marillac. When the going gets rough some suburbanites get going. Being a Long Island boy, Doc is following in that path but the kitchen may get hot here after losses but he and his views are always welcomed. We are not Antifa here and are not afraid of others opinions.
Welcome back Doc!B) B)[/quote]
I got the David Gates reference lol
[quote="Beast of the East" post=363853][quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=363851][quote="Beast of the East" post=363849][quote="Moose" post=363844][quote="mjmaherjr" post=363840][quote="mkras99" post=363839]Not sure if this question was asked already, but why 60 minutes when the game is only 40 minutes long? Was the “PU” 1.5 times as bad as normal?[/quote] wow that went over every one of our heads the last day . lol[/quote]
Shows how bad the rest of it was.[/quote]
Btw if Heron's season is going to be as inconsistent as last year. We are dead already[/quote]
If he stinks vs. Columbia I'd start Caraher over him vs. Az St. and put him in at the under 16[/quote]
He is by far our most skilled player. They cannot give up on him.
Figueroas low % floaters to the hoop just show how unpolished he is despite immense physical skills.[/quote]
I never said to give up on Heron, just have him come off the bench. 14minutes in the 1st half & 16 in the 2nd
Shows how bad the rest of it was.[/quote]
Btw if Heron's season is going to be as inconsistent as last year. We are dead already[/quote]
If he stinks vs. Columbia I'd start Caraher over him vs. Az St. and put him in at the under 16[/quote]
He is by far our most skilled player. They cannot give up on him.
Figueroas low % floaters to the hoop just show how unpolished he is despite immense physical skills.[/quote]
I never said to give up on Heron, just have him come off the bench. 14minutes in the 1st half & 16 in the 2nd
Lol Heron has one bad game and all of the sudden we need to bench him for the beginning of games. Ughhhhhhhhhh
[quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=363882][quote="Jack Williams" post=363879]Lol Heron has one bad game and all of the sudden we need to bench him for the beginning of games. Ughhhhhhhhhh[/quote]
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.
[quote="Jack Williams" post=363883][quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=363882][quote="Jack Williams" post=363879]Lol Heron has one bad game and all of the sudden we need to bench him for the beginning of games. Ughhhhhhhhhh[/quote]
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.[/quote]
Nor is Anderson lol Such nonsense.
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.[/quote]
Nor is Anderson lol Such nonsense.
[quote="Jack Williams" post=363883][quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=363882][quote="Jack Williams" post=363879]Lol Heron has one bad game and all of the sudden we need to bench him for the beginning of games. Ughhhhhhhhhh[/quote]
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.[/quote]
I agree that there's no way he should be benched, but a charging call threw him off further? He's supposed to be the team leader. He's supposed to be the one who makes sure that bad calls don't throw off his younger teammates. If he can't handle a bad call(or two or three) then he doesn't have those leadership qualities. You don't become a leader by attrition, you become a leader by your actions. Whether he has a good shooting game or a bad shooting game should have no bearing on him acting like the leader. Not saying this is the case(that he can't be the team leader), but so far I'm unconvinced.
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.[/quote]
I agree that there's no way he should be benched, but a charging call threw him off further? He's supposed to be the team leader. He's supposed to be the one who makes sure that bad calls don't throw off his younger teammates. If he can't handle a bad call(or two or three) then he doesn't have those leadership qualities. You don't become a leader by attrition, you become a leader by your actions. Whether he has a good shooting game or a bad shooting game should have no bearing on him acting like the leader. Not saying this is the case(that he can't be the team leader), but so far I'm unconvinced.
[quote="Jack Williams" post=363883][quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=363882][quote="Jack Williams" post=363879]Lol Heron has one bad game and all of the sudden we need to bench him for the beginning of games. Ughhhhhhhhhh[/quote]
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.[/quote]
I’ll absolutely question him being the most talented player on the team.
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.[/quote]
I’ll absolutely question him being the most talented player on the team.
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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=363888][quote="Jack Williams" post=363883][quote="Tom H O'Toole" post=363882][quote="Jack Williams" post=363879]Lol Heron has one bad game and all of the sudden we need to bench him for the beginning of games. Ughhhhhhhhhh[/quote]
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.[/quote]
I’ll absolutely question him being the most talented player on the team.[/quote]
IMHO:
Most skilled: Fig
Most athletically gifted: Roberts
I like Dunn's athleticism too, just not a big enough sample size yet.
2 jack, get it right! Jk
But we seen it last year as well[/quote]
Sure, but this is a new year, new regime, and he is without a question the most talented player on the team. He's a leader as well. He was off the other day, and also victim to one of the worst charging calls ive seen in awhile, that threw him off further. Under no circumstances am i benching Mustapha.[/quote]
I’ll absolutely question him being the most talented player on the team.[/quote]
IMHO:
Most skilled: Fig
Most athletically gifted: Roberts
I like Dunn's athleticism too, just not a big enough sample size yet.
okay... whether or not LJ or Heron is the most talented is so besides the point I was making. The point is, don't bench this guy lol.
Question, lets look at something here. Here are two SJU players against Vermont.
Player A: 14 points (on 3-14 shooting), 10 rebounds, 4 fouls, 3 turnovers
Player B: 14 points (on 3-11 shooting), 4 rebounds, 2 fouls, 4 turnovers
Player A is LJ, B is Mustapha. But Heron is the one who needs to be benched right? LJ is safe from all criticism, why cause he grabbed 6 more boards and committed one less turnover?
or maybe, just maybe, neither of them should be benched, and this whole premise is a little ridiculous. We need both of them. Any calls for benchings should have a better argument than "oh he shot bad the last two games". If we are benching people for shooting poorly, then send out the walk ons to start next game, cause everyone shot poorly against UVM. Singling out Mustapha is just ridiculous and a lame attempt at scapegoating at this point. Grasping at straws
Question, lets look at something here. Here are two SJU players against Vermont.
Player A: 14 points (on 3-14 shooting), 10 rebounds, 4 fouls, 3 turnovers
Player B: 14 points (on 3-11 shooting), 4 rebounds, 2 fouls, 4 turnovers
Player A is LJ, B is Mustapha. But Heron is the one who needs to be benched right? LJ is safe from all criticism, why cause he grabbed 6 more boards and committed one less turnover?
or maybe, just maybe, neither of them should be benched, and this whole premise is a little ridiculous. We need both of them. Any calls for benchings should have a better argument than "oh he shot bad the last two games". If we are benching people for shooting poorly, then send out the walk ons to start next game, cause everyone shot poorly against UVM. Singling out Mustapha is just ridiculous and a lame attempt at scapegoating at this point. Grasping at straws
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QueensBall
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I think it's reasonable for fans to question or disagree with Coach Anderson's defensive sets, plays, rotations, timeouts, strategy in general, etc. We're fans and that's what we do. Knowledgable fans can see the same things but disagree about if Coach is making the correct decision or not. In time with a larger sample size, results will bear out who is correct.
What I don't understand is how you can look at this team and not see the increased effort. I haven't seen a St. John's team play this hard in years (Maybe Lavin's last year with the very short 6 man rotation? I felt that team played extremely hard) This team is running til they're exhausted, diving for loose balls and the rebounding effort has been impressive. I think this will keep us in games that we otherwise wouldn't have been competitive in and lead to a few close wins that otherwise would have been losses. I'm not drinking the Kool Aid and saying that Anderson will definitely make us a national powerhouse but I do see significant changes in culture that I take as a very good sign that things are trending in the right direction.
What I don't understand is how you can look at this team and not see the increased effort. I haven't seen a St. John's team play this hard in years (Maybe Lavin's last year with the very short 6 man rotation? I felt that team played extremely hard) This team is running til they're exhausted, diving for loose balls and the rebounding effort has been impressive. I think this will keep us in games that we otherwise wouldn't have been competitive in and lead to a few close wins that otherwise would have been losses. I'm not drinking the Kool Aid and saying that Anderson will definitely make us a national powerhouse but I do see significant changes in culture that I take as a very good sign that things are trending in the right direction.