Georgia and Baylor really tailed off
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Kansas state putting the smack down on #23 West Virginia.
K State has some solid talent. To be 7-11 is weak from them
K State has some solid talent. To be 7-11 is weak from them
Down goes #19 UConn (along with everyone else in front of us this week... seriously #11-19 all lost!!).
As of the end of Saturday, teams ahead of us which lost this week:
#11 Purdue (L Vs Ohio St, W Vs #21 Michigan)
#12 Kansas (W @ TCU, L Vs #7 Houston)
#13 Texas A&M (W @ #16 Ole Miss, L @ Texas)
#14 Mississippi St (L @ #6 Tennessee, W @ South Carolina)
#15 Oregon (W Vs Washington, L @ Minnesota)
#16 Ole Miss (L Vs #13 Texas A&M, L @ #22 Missouri)
#17 Illinois (L Vs Maryland, TBD Vs Northwestern)
#18 Wisconsin (L @ UCLA, TBD Vs Nebraska)
#19 UConn (W Vs Butler, L @ Xavier)
Teams that could pass us (but probably won't):
#22 Missouri (L @ Texas, W Vs #16 Ole Miss)
We won't pass all of these teams (especially #11 through #14), but if the AP voted today we'd probably be around #15 or #16. #15 would be tied for the highest we have been ranked since 2000!!
As of the end of Saturday, teams ahead of us which lost this week:
#11 Purdue (L Vs Ohio St, W Vs #21 Michigan)
#12 Kansas (W @ TCU, L Vs #7 Houston)
#13 Texas A&M (W @ #16 Ole Miss, L @ Texas)
#14 Mississippi St (L @ #6 Tennessee, W @ South Carolina)
#15 Oregon (W Vs Washington, L @ Minnesota)
#16 Ole Miss (L Vs #13 Texas A&M, L @ #22 Missouri)
#17 Illinois (L Vs Maryland, TBD Vs Northwestern)
#18 Wisconsin (L @ UCLA, TBD Vs Nebraska)
#19 UConn (W Vs Butler, L @ Xavier)
Teams that could pass us (but probably won't):
#22 Missouri (L @ Texas, W Vs #16 Ole Miss)
We won't pass all of these teams (especially #11 through #14), but if the AP voted today we'd probably be around #15 or #16. #15 would be tied for the highest we have been ranked since 2000!!
Anthony Mattia
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And 6 of them lost today!
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Top 15 coming Monday.
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I thought it'd be interesting to compare the five Big East teams with a great-to-plausible path to the tournament.
The predictive analytics are starting to see us breakthrough as the 2nd best Big East team, and Creighton overtaking UConn (which, without McNeeley, is fair imo).
Us and Xavier are the only two teams of this group with one Quad 1 win (@Xavier). Xavier's Quad 1 win was @Marquette.
Xavier's OOC resume is worse than ours. Similar losses to TCU and Cincy, but got crushed by Michigan (25 pts). They only have one quality win OOC, Wake Forest, and the South Carolina one is okay. But, they also basically did what they had to do in splitting with Marquette and UConn.
This is why I will not back down by the "must win" usage. X did lose @Georgetown on January 3rd. KPI rates that as their second worst loss of the season -- it would be rated as our worst. If they had won that game, I think they would be one of the play-in teams.
Their schedule is basically the opposite of ours. @Creighton and @Villanova are their last remaining chances of Q1 wins. The rest are all the teams we played. Now, they actually do need to win all of these games against the weaker part of the conference -- Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Butler, Seton Hall, DePaul -- to make the tournament. I would not be surprised at all if we look up in March and Xavier has 13 wins in conference.
Gotta beat @Georgetown and Providence. Keep beating these weaker teams. I think we're good enough to go 3-1 in our brutal stretch. But it will be really important to not be coming from a resume deficit entering those games.
They're must win if you want to be a top four or five seed in the tournament in an okay conference.
We have deservedly gone from “can we get in the Dance?” to focusing on potentially solid seed to maximize our chance to win a game or two there. (or better? 
) A lot of work still to be done in February, but we’re ahead the curve and deservedly optimistic from my perspective. Let’s finish January w a win over dangerous GT, a talented, but not as good a game finisher as our well conditioned, physical Johnnies.
) A lot of work still to be done in February, but we’re ahead the curve and deservedly optimistic from my perspective. Let’s finish January w a win over dangerous GT, a talented, but not as good a game finisher as our well conditioned, physical Johnnies.
Do I sense a pro UConn bias?
From me, absolutely NOT. It’s an anti NET and anti Yukon bias. Maybe that runt Hurley found his way to rig the rankings!
I did not mean to imply that you are bias in any way. I apologize if you took it that way. My comment was directed towards the analytic people who calculate the NET rankings. I also agree with your comment re: Hurley.
I figured that’s likely what you meant, and you may be right!
The NET is imperfect just like the RPI was before it and certainly the "we'll figure it out ourselves" method used before that. It is just a tool. Nothing more. The flaw is how people decide to use it.
But, it's behavior can be anticipated using two main principles.
1. It values neutral court performance more than home performance and values road performance more than neutral performance.
2. The margin of victory may be capped at 10 (and reports of 1 for OT games), but the offensive and defensive efficiencies are unlimited.
So, based on that, UConn was at Xavier and the final score was close. It wasn't going to move the needle much for either team. Also, these tow teams were not operating in a vacuum. There were other teams just ahead or just behind who also had games. Then, there are the results of teams who you have played that get factored in. It sounds complicated because there are a lot of points of data, but it isn't.
(*** disclaimer: this going by what they have published and we don't know what black box ingredients are part of the formula)
I can see that this will be an ongoing discussion. At this point I agree the next game is not a must win in terms of making the tournament. It just makes the next more important.