have Pitino this time and will be a tough game.
2024-25 Rankings
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In the latest AP St. John's has only 27 points, a ways off from #25 Utah State which has 119. Most of the back of the Top 25 won this week, or were beaten by teams that are likely to move into the rankings themselves.
BUT, looking at the results for teams Receiving Votes:
#25 Utah State: 119 points
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#26 Pittsburgh: 91 points LOST today and Tuesday
#27 Arkansas: 62 points LOST today and Wednesday
#27 Nebraska: 62 points LOST on Tuesday
#29 Baylor: 32 points WON two games vs. great opponents
#30 Wisconsin: 31 points WON two games vs. decent opponents
#31 St. John's: 27 points WON two games vs. great opponents
Worst case we'll be like #26 or #27, I expect the average voter to move us up several spots and we should get to at least 100+ points, but not a guarantee we'll crack the rankings. I'm leaning towards yes, but we'll have a better idea tomorrow night once some of the ballots are posted online.
BUT, looking at the results for teams Receiving Votes:
#25 Utah State: 119 points
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#26 Pittsburgh: 91 points LOST today and Tuesday
#27 Arkansas: 62 points LOST today and Wednesday
#27 Nebraska: 62 points LOST on Tuesday
#29 Baylor: 32 points WON two games vs. great opponents
#30 Wisconsin: 31 points WON two games vs. decent opponents
#31 St. John's: 27 points WON two games vs. great opponents
Worst case we'll be like #26 or #27, I expect the average voter to move us up several spots and we should get to at least 100+ points, but not a guarantee we'll crack the rankings. I'm leaning towards yes, but we'll have a better idea tomorrow night once some of the ballots are posted online.
St John’s now at #28 in the NET rankings up from #33.
Kenpom now has the Johnnies at #19.
#19 v. #28 is a big discrepancy.
Beat Georgetown.
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Kenpom now has the Johnnies at #19.
#19 v. #28 is a big discrepancy.
Beat Georgetown.
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Agree...St John’s now at #28 in the NET rankings up from #33.
Kenpom now has the Johnnies at #19.
#19 v. #28 is a big discrepancy.
Beat Georgetown.
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NET & Kenpom match pretty closely for the first ~17 then then next 10 or so vary considerably more.
Love the optimism but this isn’t 2005. None of those things carry the weight they once did for ranking purposes. I hope you are right though !
Team Resume Comparisons at College Poll Tracker
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This is a great site. I decided to compare STJ/Utah St/St. Mary's/Memphis side-by-side, since I myself, were surprised/dismissive of these teams being ahead or around the same as us. It does make sense once you look at it.
Utah St: four Quad 1 wins. 1 against Iowa neutral court, 1 against St. Mary's on the road, and two MWC opponents on the road
St. Mary's: two Quad 1 wins. 1 against Nebraska neutral court, and another against Utah on the road
Memphis: four Quad 1 wins. 1 against UConn neutral court, 1 against Michigan St neutral court, 1 against Clemson on the road, 1 against Ole Miss.
Remaining Q1 opportunities:
Utah St: 2
St. Mary's: 5
Memphis: 0
We have one Quad 1 win -- against Xavier on the road. We lost @ Creighton and the Baylor/UGA games. Those were our Q1 opportunities...
Remaining Q1 opportunities: 6
I don't think we should assume, especially after last year, that the cache of the Big East (if there is any remaining) will automatically get us ranked/be on the right side of the bubble/seeded highly. The Big East is down this year and likely getting three teams in. I'd be surprised if Creighton/Georgetown/Villanova make it. I'm sorry, but yeah, our margin of error is still small and we "must win" some of these games coming up.
I agree to an extent, we've been bounced from the rankings almost immediately every time over the past couple decades (exception being Lavin's 2011 team), but the team has to learn to win when there are real expectations. When we're a 6 seed playing an 11 seed we need to win that.
Would rather that mentality starts now in mid-January rather than mid-March.
Team Resume Comparisons at College Poll Tracker
This is a great site. I decided to compare STJ/Utah St/St. Mary's/Memphis side-by-side, since I myself, were surprised/dismissive of these teams being ahead or around the same as us. It does make sense once you look at it.
Utah St: four Quad 1 wins. 1 against Iowa neutral court, 1 against St. Mary's on the road, and two MWC opponents on the road
St. Mary's: two Quad 1 wins. 1 against Nebraska neutral court, and another against Utah on the road
Memphis: four Quad 1 wins. 1 against UConn neutral court, 1 against Michigan St neutral court, 1 against Clemson on the road, 1 against Ole Miss.
Remaining Q1 opportunities:
Utah St: 2
St. Mary's: 5
Memphis: 0
We have one Quad 1 win -- against Xavier on the road. We lost @ Creighton and the Baylor/UGA games. Those were our Q1 opportunities...
Remaining Q1 opportunities: 6
I don't think we should assume, especially after last year, that the cache of the Big East (if there is any remaining) will automatically get us ranked/be on the right side of the bubble/seeded highly. The Big East is down this year and likely getting three teams in. I'd be surprised if Creighton/Georgetown/Villanova make it. I'm sorry, but yeah, our margin of error is still small and we "must win" some of these games coming up.
You’re way too pessimistic. We’re 14-3 (5-1). This isn’t going to be a bubble team and not every game is “must win.”
I think we will end up being a top four seed and very realistically can win the Big East regular season and tournament. I'm not pessimistic about this team. My point is, the resume *at this current time*, doesn't match up.
The Pitino Effect
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Game program of 1979-80 season:
"I´d rather have people asking me why we are not in the polls, than ask why we are".
Lou Carnesecca.
Even if we aren't ranked, don't care. All that matters is how we do in March.
My guess is 26 or 27 tomorrow. Beat Georgetown at home and Hall in Jersey and we will likely be ranked on January 20th.
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#26, so unranked, on CBS. Wouldn't surprise me if this is where we're at tomorrow.
The game being on CBSSN probably hurt.College basketball rankings: Tolu Smith's foot injury knocks Mississippi State out of preseason Top 25 And 1
Smith, a preseason All-American candidate, is expected to be out until January
#26, so unranked, on CBS. Wouldn't surprise me if this is where we're at tomorrow.
It'll also be just a very tough week to crack the rankings. Georgia and Baylor had great weeks and may be ranked tomorrow, I'd say they have better cases than we do since they beat us head to head. CBS for instance didn't ranked either last week but ranked both of them this morning. That's a good thing for us long-term, we want them to play well, but we may need to wait another week until we're ranked.
As I said yesterday, the RV teams ahead of us did very poorly, so worst case we'll be just outside the rankings.
One good chance for an opening today is #21 WVU @ Colorado. Colorado has a mediocre resume but is favored by 2.5.