2023-24 Roster

[Marillac2]

Nahiem makes complete sense as part of the closing lineup.
- He’s money from the line.
- He never turns it over.
- And he’s seen pretty much every situation at the highest level.

I just feel the way our roster is set up lends itself better to him being first guy off the bench.

You’ll find no argument from me that he should be closing games with his excellent shooting from the line and deep, big game experience, and ability to avoid turnovers.

But he’s going to be starting too, and I don’t even think it’s a close call. Our fans are so traumatized by the last 20 years we have to envision unique lineups. Taylor and Luis are classic depth pieces with their versatility and need to work on some aspects of their game — namely turnovers. Jenkins and Alleyne will battle for third most minutes.

 

[kranmars]

Nahiem makes complete sense as part of the closing lineup.
- He’s money from the line.
- He never turns it over.
- And he’s seen pretty much every situation at the highest level.

I just feel the way our roster is set up lends itself better to him being first guy off the bench.

I will let you guys who know better than me, argue who should be in the starting lineup.

But I love the “closing lineup”. Clutch veterans with an over 80 percent FT percentage.
Can’t wait to comfortably watch players hit free throws to finish off a win.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

You’ll find no argument from me that he should be closing games with his excellent shooting from the line and deep, big game experience, and ability to avoid turnovers.

But he’s going to be starting too, and I don’t even think it’s a close call. Our fans are so traumatized by the last 20 years we have to envision unique lineups. Taylor and Luis are classic depth pieces with their versatility and need to work on some aspects of their game — namely turnovers. Jenkins and Alleyne will battle for third most minutes.

Really nothing unique about starting Taylor or Luis at the 3.

 

[mattc]

You’ll find no argument from me that he should be closing games with his excellent shooting from the line and deep, big game experience, and ability to avoid turnovers.

But he’s going to be starting too, and I don’t even think it’s a close call. Our fans are so traumatized by the last 20 years we have to envision unique lineups. Taylor and Luis are classic depth pieces with their versatility and need to work on some aspects of their game — namely turnovers. Jenkins and Alleyne will battle for third most minutes.

It won’t and it shouldn’t be close. He’s arguably our third best player on paper, our most experienced player, and potentially our best 3-point shooter. Oh, and he just won a national championship. But because he’s only 6’4 and not a ‘wing’ he should come off the bench? It’s not against the rules to start three guards.

 

[dk423]

It won’t and it shouldn’t be close. He’s arguably our third best player on paper, our most experienced player, and potentially our best 3-point shooter. Oh, and he just won a national championship. But because he’s only 6’4 and not a ‘wing’ he should come off the bench? It’s not against the rules to start three guards.

It’s also not the NBA, 6’4” in college is big enough

 

[Amaseinyourface]

It won’t and it shouldn’t be close. He’s arguably our third best player on paper, our most experienced player, and potentially our best 3-point shooter. Oh, and he just won a national championship. But because he’s only 6’4 and not a ‘wing’ he should come off the bench? It’s not against the rules to start three guards.

Nahiem has never shot over 39% from the field in a single season. He doesn’t create for others. This is not me saying I don’t like him. I think he’s a great piece to have.

Apparently thinking one of the two promising sf should start over him means he’s chopped liver?

 

[Marillac2]

Nahiem has never shot over 39% from the field in a single season. He doesn’t create for others. This is not me saying I don’t like him. I think he’s a great piece to have.

Apparently thinking one of the two promising sf should start over him means he’s chopped liver?

I’m not saying you think he’s chopped liver…it’s just that I can’t see how Taylor or Luis play over a kid with 92 career starts for good teams in power conferences. If Alleyne was coming here after his soph season there wouldn’t even be a debate.

Alleyne is a limited player and I’ll be the first to say his handle is absolute trash. But he plays within his game…plays excellent defense at three positions, spaces the floor for teammates, hits FTs at a high %, and takes care of the ball. He needs to two ball-handlers on the court to be effective and he shot 40.8%on 4.7 attempts per game from three his soph year when he played with a bunch of small and quick guards that constantly got into the lane.

He’ll have that again with Jenkins and Dingle and his shooting will spread the floor for them to drive. We’re talking about a 37% career three point shooter.

 

[Marillac2]

Another thing about Alleyne is that he’s only taken 3.4 two-point attempts per game for his career. It’s just something he has to show a few times to somewhat keep the defense honest. The kid knows his game…he’s a 3 and d guy and he’s done it for some really good teams for a long time. You press him too much and he’ll go backdoor where he’s good near the basket. You cheat on him to help and he torches you. If you don’t help you give Dingle and Jenkins too much room.

I think you’d agree, Mase, that a lineup can’t have Batman at every position. You need Robin or two to play other roles. We’ve got an alpha-and-a-half at the two and a dribble heavy scorer at the one. Alleyne just has to shoot and play great d.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Another thing about Alleyne is that he’s only taken 3.4 two-point attempts per game for his career. It’s just something he has to show a few times to somewhat keep the defense honest. The kid knows his game…he’s a 3 and d guy and he’s done it for some really good teams for a long time. You press him too much and he’ll go backdoor where he’s good near the basket.

Good near the basket? He’s a career 39% shooter from 2.

You cheat on him to help and he torches you. If you don’t help you give Dingle and Jenkins too much room.

I think you’d agree, Mase, that a lineup can’t have Batman at every position.

Agree completely.
Luis and Taylor = Robin

One of them starting is a unique lineup suggestion?

You need Robin or two to play other roles. We’ve got an alpha-and-a-half at the two and a dribble heavy scorer at the one. Alleyne just has to shoot and play great d.

I’m not going to write 4 paragraphs on why Alleyne is the one who shouldn’t start and highlight the negatives in a player I’m super happy to have but I’ll just say the case you build up I can make great one against. And it’s not only Alleyne but the other options that exist.

And as a guy who used to salivate over players with good rebounding and steal instincts, I’m surprised in the reverence you have for Nahiem who is just about the opposite of that. Keep in mind, whoever is starting at the 3 is playing next to two 6’3 guards who will have a lot to prove defensively and on the boards. The fact you and Matt don’t even think this is a debate is silly.

 

[MainMan]

Predictions will always bite you in the ass.

So I'm watching my rear as I say this:

You know what you're getting with Alleyne. 90+ games at this level is enough of a barometer. He has hit his ceiling.

But RJ Luis? That kid doesn't look like he has even scratched the surface.

 

[MCNPA]

Isn’t it nice having so many quality players that we can even have the debate about the multitude that could/should start??

What I do know, is teams are going to have a hell of a time towards close end of game situations if we need a big shot or a foul, on who to guard. They can’t try to isolate the shooter when we can put an entire team on the court who can make a big outside shot or foul shots. Even if you try to hack our center he shoots mid-70’s from the line. Gonna be very different team than we have ever had.

 

[Stevep502]

I think more than likely Luis, Taylor, & Alleyne each get 20+ min at beginning of season,
40 min combined at the 3, plus 10 min occasionally at each 2 & 4=60.

we have no idea how pitino wants to use them.
As said above, it’s riches that we haven’t had in a long time.

 

[Stevep502]

My very very early uneducated guess as to minutes,
jenkins, dingle & Soriano 28 min each
Slazinski, Luis, Alleyne & Taylor. 20 min each
conway, Davis, dunlap 5-10 min each
backup 4/5 tbd, 10+-, depending on ability
ayo & traore minimal

 

[basketballjones]

Hoping Zuby commits soon. Really want Grant Nelson, but that’s not likely. Seems to me that Dingle and Luis are ready to take their game to he next level from where they started, Soriano is a walking double double, Jenkins has 3 years experience in Pitino’s system as the point guard.

This is going to be a fun team to watch. Just need an aggressive rebounder at the 4. The key is how quickly can the staff get these kids from all different places to gel together. For me, this is more fun than loading up on alleged “5 star” players who all want the ball and have to unlearn what they do in AAU ball.

 

[Rocket]

Hoping Zuby commits soon. Really want Grant Nelson, but that’s not likely. Seems to me that Dingle and Luis are ready to take their game to he next level from where they started, Soriano is a walking double double, Jenkins has 3 years experience in Pitino’s system as the point guard.

This is going to be a fun team to watch. Just need an aggressive rebounder at the 4. The key is how quickly can the staff get these kids from all different places to gel together. For me, this is more fun than loading up on alleged “5 star” players who all want the ball and have to unlearn what they do in AAU ball.

A word about 5 star players.....please notice how many were in the portal and how some actually played way below 5* once the competition was made up of adults who were more talented.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Hoping Zuby commits soon. Really want Grant Nelson, but that’s not likely. Seems to me that Dingle and Luis are ready to take their game to he next level from where they started, Soriano is a walking double double, Jenkins has 3 years experience in Pitino’s system as the point guard.

This is going to be a fun team to watch. Just need an aggressive rebounder at the 4. The key is how quickly can the staff get these kids from all different places to gel together. For me, this is more fun than loading up on alleged “5 star” players who all want the ball and have to unlearn what they do in AAU ball.

Jenkins has only 1 year in Pitino’s system. If he capable of being formidable lead guard in the big East there is little holding back this roster from competing at high level from day one.

 

[mattc]

RJ Luis, who has one year of college ball at UMASS is not coming into the Big East and starting over Alleyne who has 92 career starts - all in P5 conferences - and just won a national championship.

Glenn Taylor, who is a slashing wing and not a good 3-point shooter is also not staring over arguably our best 3-point shooter. Dingle and Jenkins need someone to drive and dish to who can knock down an outside jumper - that’s not Taylor’s game.

I’ve yet to read a reasonable argument as to why both these players should start over Alleyne, other than some hangup that we must start one of them because Alleyne is not a SF and you must start one PG, one SG, one SF, one PF, one C.

 

[Rocket]

Jenkins has only 1 year in Pitino’s system. If he capable of being formidable lead guard in the big East there is little holding back this roster from competing at high level from day one.

There are no "ifs" with our guard tandems. Dingle, Jenkins, Alleyne are high level guards. I'm not worried about integrating them into any system.
I'm more concerned about the 3 and 4 spots to complement Soriano. It would be nice to have a well rounded player in one of those positions to spread the offense and rebounding even more because I see offensive threats at all 5 positions in Pitino's system. Last season we were lucky to have 2 on the floor at any given time in Anderson's helter skelter system.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

There are no "ifs" with our guard tandems. Dingle, Jenkins, Alleyne are high level guards. I'm not worried about integrating them into any system.
I'm more concerned about the 3 and 4 spots to complement Soriano. It would be nice to have a well rounded player in one of those positions to spread the offense and rebounding even more because I see offensive threats at all 5 positions in Pitino's system. Last season we were lucky to have 2 on the floor at any given time in Anderson's helter skelter system.

Jenkins very well could be and I’ll gladly take our chances with him, but it’s certainly no guarantee.

 

[RedmanMike]

Let’s not sweat the issue of who starts and who plays where. Pitino will figure that out. We could have a small ball lineup with Luis at the 4 and three guards, and you could see some situations where four guard/wings play at the same time.

Let’s just be glad that we have a roster with versatile players that give a HOF coach lots of options.