2018/19 Schedule

[quote="ccnobz" post=275924][quote="PharmaJohnny" post=275901]I honestly could care less if we scheduled the Little Sisters of the Poor in non-conference play next year, as long as when the BE tournament rolls around, we're solidly in the top half of the the BE standings. Give us 10+ wins in BE play, and we'll be dancing - whether we beat the Little Sisters or not. (I hear the Sisters guard the 3 really well and rebound the heck out of the ball, so I wouldn't automatically put it in the W column!) B) B)[/quote]

Huh I don't understand this...they need to play a tough non conference it helps with SOS and RPI and prepares the team for the BE games.[/quote]

Agree. We’re not KY or Carolina (yet!). We are penalized when we play a Div II or Div III team.
And I like the idea of bringing back the Holiday Festival—with some tougher competition, just like the old days. No cupcakes. Got to grow up and ‘prove it’ if we want to become real again.
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=275926][quote="ccnobz" post=275924][quote="PharmaJohnny" post=275901]I honestly could care less if we scheduled the Little Sisters of the Poor in non-conference play next year, as long as when the BE tournament rolls around, we're solidly in the top half of the the BE standings. Give us 10+ wins in BE play, and we'll be dancing - whether we beat the Little Sisters or not. (I hear the Sisters guard the 3 really well and rebound the heck out of the ball, so I wouldn't automatically put it in the W column!) B) B)[/quote]

Huh I don't understand this...they need to play a tough non conference it helps with SOS and RPI and prepares the team for the BE games.[/quote]

Agree. We’re not KY or Carolina (yet!). We are penalized when we play a Div II or Div III team.
And I like the idea of bringing back the Holiday Festival—with some tougher competition, just like the old days. No cupcakes. Got to grow up and ‘prove it’ if we want to become real again.[/quote]

Does a schedule with DII team hurt us or does a victory simply get ignored?
 
[quote="Knight" post=275928][quote="Chicago Days" post=275926][quote="ccnobz" post=275924][quote="PharmaJohnny" post=275901]I honestly could care less if we scheduled the Little Sisters of the Poor in non-conference play next year, as long as when the BE tournament rolls around, we're solidly in the top half of the the BE standings. Give us 10+ wins in BE play, and we'll be dancing - whether we beat the Little Sisters or not. (I hear the Sisters guard the 3 really well and rebound the heck out of the ball, so I wouldn't automatically put it in the W column!) B) B)[/quote],m

Good question. For us a victory is ignored, worsening our chances to ‘dance’ at the margin—and a loss would be lethal, far costlier than a loss to a solid Div 1 team.

Huh I don't understand this...they need to play a tough non conference it helps with SOS and RPI and prepares the team for the BE games.[/quote]

Agree. We’re not KY or Carolina (yet!). We are penalized when we play a Div II or Div III team.
And I like the idea of bringing back the Holiday Festival—with some tougher competition, just like the old days. No cupcakes. Got to grow up and ‘prove it’ if we want to become real again.[/quote]

Does a schedule with DII team hurt us or does a victory simply get ignored?[/quote]
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=275903][quote="PharmaJohnny" post=275901]I honestly could care less if we scheduled the Little Sisters of the Poor in non-conference play next year, as long as when the BE tournament rolls around, we're solidly in the top half of the the BE standings. Give us 10+ wins in BE play, and we'll be dancing - whether we beat the Little Sisters or not. (I hear the Sisters guard the 3 really well and rebound the heck out of the ball, so I wouldn't automatically put it in the W column!) B) B)[/quote]


I disagree, you need to play a solid non conference schedule these days. Otherwise ten wins will only put you on the bubble. For example, In Big Ten Penn State and Nebraska. Nebraska has 13 conference wins and finished in 4th. You need to play a solid non conference schedule these days.
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Obviously my tongue in cheek was missed on this (oh, the perils of trying to bring a bit of humor to an online forum!) - I'm not actually advocating that we play 12 cupcakes (or ANY cupcakes) before the BE schedule starts. And obviously we want to have SOS and quality out of conference wins on our side. My point is that we could go 12-0 against the best non-conference teams in the nation we can find and schedule, but once we get into conference play, if we don't take care of business, we are as good as dead. Heck, if there's one lesson we should learn from this year, this would be it. We were 10-2 leading into conference play (with a building buzz about the program) and it all promptly went out the window as the in-conference losses quickly mounted.

All this said, I'm feeling pretty good about the group of guys that are returning, and the guys we are adding. I'm hoping for a solid season all around next year, both in and out of conference.
 
A holiday festival with Syr, Conn and Rut. sounds good but without the tournament exemption so the games don't count against the limit that can be scheduled good teams will never participate in a multi game format.
Syr, Conn and Rut will play SJU in MSG if SJU returns the game at their place but no good team is willing to play two games. That's what has killed the Festival. When I was at SJU there were eight teams playing three games but that is long ago and college basketball has changed.
If MSG could somehow get that deal where the games don't count against the number of games allowed you would see Ky, Duke, NC etc looking to play.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=275926][quote="ccnobz" post=275924][quote="PharmaJohnny" post=275901]I honestly could care less if we scheduled the Little Sisters of the Poor in non-conference play next year, as long as when the BE tournament rolls around, we're solidly in the top half of the the BE standings. Give us 10+ wins in BE play, and we'll be dancing - whether we beat the Little Sisters or not. (I hear the Sisters guard the 3 really well and rebound the heck out of the ball, so I wouldn't automatically put it in the W column!) B) B)[/quote]

Huh I don't understand this...they need to play a tough non conference it helps with SOS and RPI and prepares the team for the BE games.[/quote]

Agree. We’re not KY or Carolina (yet!). We are penalized when we play a Div II or Div III team.
And I like the idea of bringing back the Holiday Festival—with some tougher competition, just like the old days. No cupcakes. Got to grow up and ‘prove it’ if we want to become real again.[/quote]

The Holiday Festival stopped being a big deal when all the exotic locations started running tournaments. Schools/alumni supporters would rather spend a few days in Hawaii, the Bahamas, and other warm weather locations. NYC doesn't have the allure for these type of in season tourneys it once did. Plus, I'm sure these tourneys give nice cash incentives for the top schools to show up, maybe MSG not so much.
 
[quote="Adam" post=275910]The Big Ten was a poor major conference this year. They underperformed OOC and only 4/14 teams will make the dance. Compare that to the Big East which will get 6 or 7 out of 10.

We all know SJU had an excellent OOC and only needed about 7/8 conference wins to get on the bubble.

When you schedule a strong OOC, you give your team more control over your outcome. For example, while we only needed 7 BE regular season wins to get on the bubble, we likely would've needed 9-10 regular season Big Ten wins.

One of these years the Big East will have a year like the Big Ten. I rather have a strong OOC to counter that, especially when we have an experienced team very capable of winning.

I think this year's schedule was excellent. I wouldn't make it any tougher, maybe a tad bit easier but not by much.[/quote]

I agree about this year's schedule. All of those neutral site games really helped us, and we did a masterful job of booking those, even if some like Grand Canyon were a risk. Despite all of the complaining pre season, we ended up with a top 10 strength of schedule. I'd like to see something similar next year.
 
[quote="cappy105" post=275912][quote="Sju grad 13" post=275871]Why doesn’t Chris Mullin do a NY tournament like Nova does with the other Philly schools?

Schedule: Iona, Hofstra, Columbia, Fordham and St. bonaventure?[/quote]
how do you do a battle of NY and not invite Cuse?[/quote] because they are Canada's team ( no offense North )
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=275926][quote="ccnobz" post=275924][quote="PharmaJohnny" post=275901]I honestly could care less if we scheduled the Little Sisters of the Poor in non-conference play next year, as long as when the BE tournament rolls around, we're solidly in the top half of the the BE standings. Give us 10+ wins in BE play, and we'll be dancing - whether we beat the Little Sisters or not. (I hear the Sisters guard the 3 really well and rebound the heck out of the ball, so I wouldn't automatically put it in the W column!) B) B)[/quote]

Huh I don't understand this...they need to play a tough non conference it helps with SOS and RPI and prepares the team for the BE games.[/quote]

Agree. We’re not KY or Carolina (yet!). We are penalized when we play a Div II or Div III team.
And I like the idea of bringing back the Holiday Festival—with some tougher competition, just like the old days. No cupcakes. Got to grow up and ‘prove it’ if we want to become real again.[/quote]

Agree with most of above ideas. We should play Iona, Fordham. Manhattan and Columbia, either in the campus gyms or in a tournament at MSG.
We should try playing Hofstra at the Nassau Coliseum.
Lastly, we need a big attraction OOC game next year, at MSG, since Duke is away, and the Cuse is afraid to play us anymore. Notre Dame would be a possibility. No UConn.
 
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I love conversations about playing an all local tournament. It means right around the corner is a discussion about going from Red Storm back to Redmen.

Can't Wait!
 
The way things are going, I think we should just concede the next two years and open a discussion on the 2020-21 season.
 
First I want to say that i think Mullin will get to the NCAA tourny, got the feeling we'll add to capable big that get the same as Owens 8.9pnts/6.5 boards per game.
But what if we don't at no tourny next year, do we still need patience with Chris, even after 4 years of nothing under Chris.
Now I'll be waiting for Beasts reaction to this, but there's no excuse in his 4th year.

Legend or not, your job as coach is to get the team win, earn your salary Chris.
Loyalty only gets you so far, eventually you'll have to start winning.
 
I refuse to bite the cyanide, pull the trigger, or jump off the proverbial cliff—just yet.
Yes, Owens pulling a transfer on his grad-creds is a setback, but with luck—some good for once—we can move past this with hardly a belch.
Keita, Roberts, and Diakite, provide some level of ‘depth’ at the 4/5 slots, that while insufficient because of its unknown ‘quality’—is a starting point.
The Staff knows what it must do and I think they’ll bring in 1-2 bigs to complement Keita, Roberts, and Diakite.
We have time.
Let’s have some faith.
Let’s go Johnnies.
 
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[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=277435]First I want to say that i think Mullin will get to the NCAA tourny, got the feeling we'll add to capable big that get the same as Owens 8.9pnts/6.5 boards per game.
But what if we don't at no tourny next year, do we still need patience with Chris, even after 4 years of nothing under Chris.
Now I'll be waiting for Beasts reaction to this, but there's no excuse in his 4th year.

Legend or not, your job as coach is to get the team win, earn your salary Chris.
Loyalty only gets you so far, eventually you'll have to start winning.[/quote]

Mullin & staff, I strongly sense, know next year is a critical one on court and replenishing roster with quality 19 players. Challenging year.
 
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Tariq would do well in Boeheim's zone and Marvin Clark's 3pt skills would have saved Michigan St. yesterday.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=277459]Tariq would do well in Boeheim's zone and Marvin Clark's 3pt skills would have saved Michigan St. yesterday.[/quote]

Michigan St. couldn’t hit an open 3 if their life depended on it yesterday.

Speaking of MSU, Marvin Clark and Miles Bridges have identical styles of play on the court. It makes sense why he transferred out of there when he did.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=277436]I refuse to bite the cyanide, pull the trigger, or jump off the proverbial cliff—just yet.
Yes, Owens pulling a transfer on his grad-creds is a setback, but with luck—some good for once—we can move past this with hardly a belch.
Keita, Roberts, and Diakite, provide some level of ‘depth’ at the 4/5 slots, that while insufficient because of its unknown ‘quality’—is a starting point.
The Staff knows what it must do and I think they’ll bring in 1-2 bigs to complement Keita, Roberts, and Diakite.
We have time.
Let’s have some faith.
Let’s go Johnnies.[/quote]
Chicago, I just put my hand against my computer screen hoping that some of your optimism will rub off on me. :(
 
[quote="redken" post=277468][quote="Chicago Days" post=277436]I refuse to bite the cyanide, pull the trigger, or jump off the proverbial cliff—just yet.
Yes, Owens pulling a transfer on his grad-creds is a setback, but with luck—some good for once—we can move past this with hardly a belch.
Keita, Roberts, and Diakite, provide some level of ‘depth’ at the 4/5 slots, that while insufficient because of its unknown ‘quality’—is a starting point.
The Staff knows what it must do and I think they’ll bring in 1-2 bigs to complement Keita, Roberts, and Diakite.
We have time.
Let’s have some faith.
Let’s go Johnnies.[/quote]
Chicago, I just put my hand against my computer screen hoping that some of your optimism will rub off on me. :([/quote]

That’s funny red!
I’m as frustrated as you and many others on redmen.com are. LoVett’s desertion, the lack of depth, and Tariq’s Grad-transfer gimmick for greener pastures, are very tough to swallow.
I trust Mullin—despite many posters criticizing his ‘work ethic’. The guy’s college and NBA HOF career hinged totally on him eating gym floor wax all hours of the day and night.
As Paultz says—and I’ll paraphrase—CM and the Staff know that next year is critical for the future of St. John’s basketball (and probably their careers) and they are determined to complete the roster with quality players.
What’s that old Mets slogan?
“Ya Gotta Believe!”
It worked for them in ‘73.
Not happy about it red, but that’s me now.
We shall see.
Let’s go Johnnies.
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=277472][quote="redken" post=277468][quote="Chicago Days" post=277436]I refuse to bite the cyanide, pull the trigger, or jump off the proverbial cliff—just yet.
Yes, Owens pulling a transfer on his grad-creds is a setback, but with luck—some good for once—we can move past this with hardly a belch.
Keita, Roberts, and Diakite, provide some level of ‘depth’ at the 4/5 slots, that while insufficient because of its unknown ‘quality’—is a starting point.
The Staff knows what it must do and I think they’ll bring in 1-2 bigs to complement Keita, Roberts, and Diakite.
We have time.
Let’s have some faith.
Let’s go Johnnies.[/quote]
Chicago, I just put my hand against my computer screen hoping that some of your optimism will rub off on me. :([/quote]

That’s funny red!
I’m as frustrated as you and many others on redmen.com are. LoVett’s desertion, the lack of depth, and Tariq’s Grad-transfer gimmick for greener pastures, are very tough to swallow.
I trust Mullin—despite many posters criticizing his ‘work ethic’. The guy’s college and NBA HOF career hinged totally on him eating gym floor wax all hours of the day and night.
As Paultz says—and I’ll paraphrase—CM and the Staff know that next year is critical for the future of St. John’s basketball (and probably their careers) and they are determined to complete the roster with quality players.
What’s that old Mets slogan?
“Ya Gotta Believe!”
It worked for them in ‘73.
Not happy about it red, but that’s me now.
We shall see.
Let’s go Johnnies.[/quote]
Oh, we shall see all right. We shall see.:unsure:
 
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