That says more about Mullin than it does for Slice.
It says that Slice has been paid well. Were you against bringing him in at that price at the time he was hired?
I was surprised at the terms of his contract. Everything involving the basketball program has been surprising.
What is says about Mullin is that he has administrative deficiencies that are costing the university because if it were more Slice than Mullin a settlement would have been reached. It is what it is but no one likes it and it is costing us in more than dollars. Our recent history has become fodder for negative recruiting.[/quot
He was led to believe things that did come to be
He would have been good for the program and more knowledgeable at coaching than CM generally we should not be so neg about him unless the whole story of why he left is known
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I am baffled by the big man decisions. A polished grad transfer would have been a great move but clearly we need bodies like Creighton, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Depaul, Xavier have done. Nova has a stud coming in that has practiced a year with their team but otherwise none of these guys are world-beaters.
A couple of points to address:
most of these guys that we've looked at and other schools have reeled in, are not even as good as Amar so if you are on the one hand knocking Amar and then also complaining about missing out, then you are at best misguided. The point though is that we don't need an Amar alternative/upgrade, we need a couple of players in addition to Owens, Yakwe, Amar and Clark especially since at least two of those guys will without a doubt get into foul trouble the more minutes they get.
Let's say 90% of us agree that a big man or two would have greatly helped this team and lets assume that over the next 4 months that never materializes. What I find tedious and annoying and from the private complaints that I've received and some of the public comments here others do as well, is the incessant jabs and harping on Mullin vs Slice; MattA salary; lack of effort on recruiting by staff. First time it was an opinion. 3rd, 9th 100th time IMHO that qualifies as inane crap.
Problem might have to do with the fact that this staff -- and I realize its only coming off its second year -- has never developed a big man (and the one we had bolted at the start of his sophomore year), nor does it include a big man coach, let alone one with name recognition. (One reason why I would've preferred adding someone like Ed Pinckney to the staff over Richmond.) Say what you will about Patrick Ewing, but as long as the honeymoon lasts and he's winning at Gtown, he won't have any problem recruiting big men for the Hoyas.
The failure to bring in a big man has just about all posters scratching their heads but perhaps there is an explanation. What if the staff failed at getting a big they felt could contribute and will count on Owens playing some 28 minutes and feel they are better off playing a lineup of Clarke, Bashir, Simon, Ponds and LoVett for the remainder instead of playing an untalented big.
That says more about Mullin than it does for Slice.
It says that Slice has been paid well. Were you against bringing him in at that price at the time he was hired?
I was surprised at the terms of his contract. Everything involving the basketball program has been surprising.
What is says about Mullin is that he has administrative deficiencies that are costing the university because if it were more Slice than Mullin a settlement would have been reached. It is what it is but no one likes it and it is costing us in more than dollars. Our recent history has become fodder for negative recruiting.
The board was all praise at the time of the hiring. Did anyone here even see the terms of the contract or comment negatively on it?
Besides the handful of old guys on the board commenting on their current dissatisfaction where is the fodder and the link to recruiting ? There's a lot being read into the failure to land a back up big man.
Maybe time will prove you're right.
I'll wait till the staff can't fill real slots and not during a recruiting year when we're returning 63 points a game.
i take it from your post that you don't think our need to find a big man was "real" because "we're returning 63 points a game" from a team that won 14 games last year.
Perhaps we should give the staff a pass because under your logic the need for a big man was a figment of the imagination of "a handful of old guys." Hey, if you think what we have in the frontcourt is sufficient, more power to you. For my part, I'm skeptical that with Yakwe and Owens manning the center position and seven eligible players plus Amar, we can be a tournament team. With the backcourt we have, anything less than the big dance would be a failure to me. Time will tell.
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Boo, with the negative lens you use to read posts that don't trash the staff you took the post your way.
There's plenty of factors at play. As a fan I can only speculate as to why the available players chose other options.
It's a long term rebuild. I'm not expecting much more than a 500 record next year even if a serviceable big man comes aboard. Maybe there's a 10% chance that Simon adds a dimension to last year's group that puts them in the top half of the league. But as a somewhat seasoned poster responded to me a few weeks back I should be used to low expectations since I'm a St John's fan. Of course he was not around when this program was at the top - at least in this region of the country.
I'm just not buying into the negative views right now. I wish they never brought Slice on the staff and wasting time and effort on the unstable kid in Florida was a mistake. But hey no one is perfect. Not even Mullin.
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Amar is a great kid, an excellent student and gives 100%. Same goes for Federico. Both are good basketball players which some here strongly disagree with. Since neither are game changers the argument is irrelevant and tedious.
The three centers that "played" center in their previous roles were as good as Amar. The big difference is that Amar is not a center and has never been used as such. The centers that DePaul and Xavier and Creighton have reeled in are not as good as Amar at the 4 but are heads and shoulders better than Amar at the 5 if there were a matchup.
The "harping" about the Slice conundrum is that he is still on payroll without a role. Most people I know are both perplexed and upset over this sad situation. There are a few friends of Slice that have been vocal behind the scenes regarding his forced departure. He has many long established ties in the college basketball world. Trust me when I tell you that this has not been pleasant for those that know both. Normally experienced college administrators don't make $3 million mistakes with assistant coaches. That's all I'll ever say about it but until it is settled people's feelings are being hurt, including coach Mullin.
I think most would agree that Matt was underpaid so I don't think many are complaining, other than in jest, about his salary.
There is no lack of effort by Mullin or Matt as far as recruiting local kids. They are everywhere Steve Lavin was not. The only debate, discussion, harping or whatever people want to call it is our traditional failure to add that one piece on the team that "could" make a difference between an NIT or NCAA bid, or God forbid no bid in year three.
So, we all seem to agree that not adding (to date) a contributing piece next year, with three scholarships available, to be a disappointment. Like you, since January my hope was we would add a 5 to complement what may be our most talented team in years next season. Until the Fall semester begins I will continue to hope for a player.
That bitching and moaning goes on in sports blogs is the nature of the beast. You'll never get a complaint from me about other's basketball opionions.
What I find tedious on this "St. John's " sports blog are the numerous shots taken at the school itself by many grads from painting students with a broad brush as inferior to almost any college some sent sent their little geniuses to or crapping on our campus, most of which haven't seen in a quarter century or anything not basketball related.
I think most denizens of this site truly love their basketball team and want the best for our players and of course our fans.
That some take it too personal is childish and, in a couple of cases, has bordered on sociopathic. We had former mods who were intrusive to other forum members here. Who contacted them at their homes. Who posted pictures of their wives and children on both Facebook and Twitter with derogatory comments. That was not inane but insane.
I personally enjoy all views here by every poster from Fun to No Hope. Of course my favorite will always be Paultzman even though he has recently given us false hope with his tea readings.
Amar is a great kid, an excellent student and gives 100%. Same goes for Federico. Both are good basketball players which some here strongly disagree with. Since neither are game changers the argument is irrelevant and tedious.
The three centers that "played" center in their previous roles were as good as Amar. The big difference is that Amar is not a center and has never been used as such. The centers that DePaul and Xavier and Creighton have reeled in are not as good as Amar at the 4 but are heads and shoulders better than Amar at the 5 if there were a matchup.
The "harping" about the Slice conundrum is that he is still on payroll without a role. Most people I know are both perplexed and upset over this sad situation. There are a few friends of Slice that have been vocal behind the scenes regarding his forced departure. He has many long established ties in the college basketball world. Trust me when I tell you that this has not been pleasant for those that know both. Normally experienced college administrators don't make $3 million mistakes with assistant coaches. That's all I'll ever say about it but until it is settled people's feelings are being hurt, including coach Mullin.
I think most would agree that Matt was underpaid so I don't think many are complaining, other than in jest, about his salary.
There is no lack of effort by Mullin or Matt as far as recruiting local kids. They are everywhere Steve Lavin was not. The only debate, discussion, harping or whatever people want to call it is our traditional failure to add that one piece on the team that "could" make a difference between an NIT or NCAA bid, or God forbid no bid in year three.
So, we all seem to agree that not adding (to date) a contributing piece next year, with three scholarships available, to be a disappointment. Like you, since January my hope was we would add a 5 to complement what may be our most talented team in years next season. Until the Fall semester begins I will continue to hope for a player.
That bitching and moaning goes on in sports blogs is the nature of the beast. You'll never get a complaint from me about other's basketball opionions.
What I find tedious on this "St. John's " sports blog are the numerous shots taken at the school itself by many grads from painting students with a broad brush as inferior to almost any college some sent sent their little geniuses to or crapping on our campus, most of which haven't seen in a quarter century or anything not basketball related.
I think most denizens of this site truly love their basketball team and want the best for our players and of course our fans.
That some take it too personal is childish and, in a couple of cases, has bordered on sociopathic. We had former mods who were intrusive to other forum members here. Who contacted them at their homes. Who posted pictures of their wives and children on both Facebook and Twitter with derogatory comments. That was not inane but insane.
I personally enjoy all views here by every poster from Fun to No Hope. Of course my favorite will always be Paultzman even though he has recently given us false hope with his tea readings.
I have no problem with what Matt is currently earning whatever that is? Think he has done a satisfactory job not an outstanding job that would warrant a salary overview
By the way has anyone heard how CM is doing with his hip??
The Baltimore Bullet won the NBA title with the 6'-7" (more like 6'-6") Wesley Unseld at center. And there were some pretty good big men in the league at that time. Guys like Wilt Chamberlain, Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed, Bill Russell, Wayne (The Wall) Embry, and Elvin Hayes, to name a few. (Our own Leroy Ellis was Unseld's back-up.) Our problem is we don't have a forecourt player who's even close to a Wes Unseld.
Agree. But Unseld at 6'7 was a double wide. Reed was really only 6'8, Embry was 6'8, Russ was 6'9 as was Hayes. So except for Wilt, and Nate there was not much of a height difference. But you are right I would take an Unseld like 6'7 wide body on our team in a heart beat.