2015 Bracketology

[paultzman]

Not to be the wet blanket but riddle me this. All the pundits say if we win Saturday we are in. That means they believe we can finish 0-3 and be secure? Even though the stats may not back up my claim, I want a Marquette victory no matter what happens on Saturday

Agreed. Can't back into the tournament. I would love to win the BET.

Agreed. I don't think a win on Saturday puts us in-in. I think it makes a bid ours to lose, meaning that the only way we could flush it is by going 0-3 v. Marq, Nova, and first round BET. Could we still get in under those circumstances? I'm sure, but I have no interest in finding out. This process is so fluid, the general perception of a team can change weekly. Even with a win Saturday, if we haven't won a game in 2 weeks the outlook on us will be much different than it is now on Selection Sunday.

This all said, I think we win Saturday and don't go 0-3 so this doesn't come into play.

I'm a big believer in momentum. Winning Saturday, losing to Nova in a competitive battle & beating M'Q on road = high level team confidence & momentum heading in to BE Tourney and Big Dance. GT game reminds me of that 11 Pittt game at MSG. Glad GT brings fans, it will only promote big time atmosphere for nationally televised game. Go Johnnies!

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Looking ahead we likely will finish 4th or 5th in BE standings (that dreaded 2:30 weekday BE tourney game). Would you guys rather a) face Butler and avenge those 2 losses or b) face PC and authoritatively stamp 3-0 season on them.

Personally I'd like to take on Butler, prefer being the hunter rather than hunted.

It's a stretch to think we can beat Providence 3x in the same season. Bring on Butler.

Butler without chrabascz doesnt scare me. Who knows when hell be back though.

 

[tom in salem]

Looking ahead we likely will finish 4th or 5th in BE standings (that dreaded 2:30 weekday BE tourney game). Would you guys rather a) face Butler and avenge those 2 losses or b) face PC and authoritatively stamp 3-0 season on them.

Personally I'd like to take on Butler, prefer being the hunter rather than hunted.

It's a stretch to think we can beat Providence 3x in the same season. Bring on Butler.

Providence, just a much better match up.
You think villanova is worried about beating DePaul for a 3rd time.
Stupid logic, something smith would use.

The logic isn't stupid, Villanova obviously isn't worried about beating Depaul because they are one of the best teams in the country (though an upset wouldn't be anywhere near impossible). Matching up with PC for the third time could be deadly because motivation in the BET is at a season high, and in many ways, PC can play better than us and is more than capable of winning.

That being said I agree that the PC matchup is better than the Butler one, but we are due for a win against butler. I also thing there is a high chance we play Georgetown in the 4/5 game.

Honestly I sadly wish we could be a 6 seed in the BET, simply because Villanova is scary good, while the 2-10 seeds will be practical, winnable games.

I actually like our chances next week against nova.
tired in the 2nd half the first time and they just shot lights out.

 

[ADORAZ]

Not to be the wet blanket but riddle me this. All the pundits say if we win Saturday we are in. That means they believe we can finish 0-3 and be secure? Even though the stats may not back up my claim, I want a Marquette victory no matter what happens on Saturday

Agreed. Can't back into the tournament. I would love to win the BET.

Agreed. I don't think a win on Saturday puts us in-in. I think it makes a bid ours to lose, meaning that the only way we could flush it is by going 0-3 v. Marq, Nova, and first round BET. Could we still get in under those circumstances? I'm sure, but I have no interest in finding out. This process is so fluid, the general perception of a team can change weekly. Even with a win Saturday, if we haven't won a game in 2 weeks the outlook on us will be much different than it is now on Selection Sunday.

This all said, I think we win Saturday and don't go 0-3 so this doesn't come into play.

I agree even if we beat Gtown then lose the next 2 and the 1st one in the BE tourney we will not get a bid. I remember guys were posting we would have a shot with 8-10 in the conference .

As a general rule I think you always need one more than you think you do as a fan base. As fans we are so dug in on every detail of our team that our view isn't likely to be completely in line with the committee's. An extra win will typically make up for that if you're talking about feeling comfortable on Selection Sunday.

Indeed, a perfect example last season. A win over Prov in the BE tourney wouldn't have earned us a bid and everyone thought it was a play in game. Need to leave no doubt, beat Gtown, and Marq.

To be fair people thought it was a play in game before Seton Hall upset Nova. After the Nova loss it became clear whoever advanced would have to win at least one more game after.

Turns out the committee was more impressed with Georgetown despite their lower rpi because they had some huge wins. At least this year we have more big wins than last year already.

 

[RedStormRising]

Sirvoo, how good is St John's to you? They win but don't cover the 1.5 spread.

 

[sirvoo]

well I lost a few hundy last night but like I said, ill do it again Saturday and the following game @ Marquette. It's worth it for my sanity

 

[sirvoo]

Sirvoo, how good is St John's to you? They win but don't cover the 1.5 spread.

Was foolish to drop the points and take X with the moneyline. Of course a double victory would ONLY happen with us winning by 1. and it happened haha

 

[SJU1512]

Not to be the wet blanket but riddle me this. All the pundits say if we win Saturday we are in. That means they believe we can finish 0-3 and be secure? Even though the stats may not back up my claim, I want a Marquette victory no matter what happens on Saturday

Agreed. Can't back into the tournament. I would love to win the BET.

Agreed. I don't think a win on Saturday puts us in-in. I think it makes a bid ours to lose, meaning that the only way we could flush it is by going 0-3 v. Marq, Nova, and first round BET. Could we still get in under those circumstances? I'm sure, but I have no interest in finding out. This process is so fluid, the general perception of a team can change weekly. Even with a win Saturday, if we haven't won a game in 2 weeks the outlook on us will be much different than it is now on Selection Sunday.

This all said, I think we win Saturday and don't go 0-3 so this doesn't come into play.

I'm a big believer in momentum. Winning Saturday, losing to Nova in a competitive battle & beating M'Q on road = high level team confidence & momentum heading in to BE Tourney and Big Dance. GT game reminds me of that 11 Pittt game at MSG. Glad GT brings fans, it will only promote big time atmosphere for nationally televised game. Go Johnnies!

Agree completely. Momentum (positive or negative) often influences committee no doubt as well.

Said it to a buddy yesterday. Indirect impact of beating X is elevating profile of Hoyas game on Saturday. Hope place is predominantly red, but more GTown fans is beneficial as well in the sense that our kids seem to always play their best when there is a "buzz". I worry about us in empty arena at DePaul with 3K there. Not so much with packed house v. Duke, GTown, etc. - we typically bring it majorly under those circumstances. With all that's on line this Saturday and seniors last home game, expecting that and then some.

 

[redmen2014champs]

Not to be the wet blanket but riddle me this. All the pundits say if we win Saturday we are in. That means they believe we can finish 0-3 and be secure? Even though the stats may not back up my claim, I want a Marquette victory no matter what happens on Saturday

Agreed. Can't back into the tournament. I would love to win the BET.

Agreed. I don't think a win on Saturday puts us in-in. I think it makes a bid ours to lose, meaning that the only way we could flush it is by going 0-3 v. Marq, Nova, and first round BET. Could we still get in under those circumstances? I'm sure, but I have no interest in finding out. This process is so fluid, the general perception of a team can change weekly. Even with a win Saturday, if we haven't won a game in 2 weeks the outlook on us will be much different than it is now on Selection Sunday.

This all said, I think we win Saturday and don't go 0-3 so this doesn't come into play.

I agree even if we beat Gtown then lose the next 2 and the 1st one in the BE tourney we will not get a bid. I remember guys were posting we would have a shot with 8-10 in the conference .

As a general rule I think you always need one more than you think you do as a fan base. As fans we are so dug in on every detail of our team that our view isn't likely to be completely in line with the committee's. An extra win will typically make up for that if you're talking about feeling comfortable on Selection Sunday.

Indeed, a perfect example last season. A win over Prov in the BE tourney wouldn't have earned us a bid and everyone thought it was a play in game. Need to leave no doubt, beat Gtown, and Marq.

How do you know for sure that it wouldn't have earned us a bid last year? I don't want to test it but you have no idea if we would get in at 8-10. If we lose close games to Gtown and Marquette but win 2 games in BET against good teams we actually would have a decent chance depending on other bubble teams. Of course nobody wants to go that route, just beat Gtown and Marquette and there is no doubt.

 

[simplyred]

Not to be the wet blanket but riddle me this. All the pundits say if we win Saturday we are in. That means they believe we can finish 0-3 and be secure? Even though the stats may not back up my claim, I want a Marquette victory no matter what happens on Saturday

Agreed. Can't back into the tournament. I would love to win the BET.

Agreed. I don't think a win on Saturday puts us in-in. I think it makes a bid ours to lose, meaning that the only way we could flush it is by going 0-3 v. Marq, Nova, and first round BET. Could we still get in under those circumstances? I'm sure, but I have no interest in finding out. This process is so fluid, the general perception of a team can change weekly. Even with a win Saturday, if we haven't won a game in 2 weeks the outlook on us will be much different than it is now on Selection Sunday.

This all said, I think we win Saturday and don't go 0-3 so this doesn't come into play.

I agree even if we beat Gtown then lose the next 2 and the 1st one in the BE tourney we will not get a bid. I remember guys were posting we would have a shot with 8-10 in the conference .

As a general rule I think you always need one more than you think you do as a fan base. As fans we are so dug in on every detail of our team that our view isn't likely to be completely in line with the committee's. An extra win will typically make up for that if you're talking about feeling comfortable on Selection Sunday.

I think it's the exact opposie with the St. John's fanbase.

 

[ADORAZ]

Can we all at least agree on this...

Two wins- any two wins- between these last 3 games and BET gets us in.

Running the math I see no way it doesn't. Our RPI would be mid 30's at that point.

 

[sirvoo]

Can we all at least agree on this...

Two wins- any two wins- between these last 3 games and BET gets us in.

Running the math I see no way it doesn't. Our RPI would be mid 30's at that point.

Yes. I hope we get 3-4 wins though. Gtown, Marquette and a nice little run in the BE tourney for a change!

 

[room112]

Can we all at least agree on this...

Two wins- any two wins- between these last 3 games and BET gets us in.

Running the math I see no way it doesn't. Our RPI would be mid 30's at that point.

Yes definitely

 

[LetLooieCoach]

Fatcessa just said last night's win puts us in the tournament. Uh oh

 

[beast of the east]

Can we all at least agree on this...

Two wins- any two wins- between these last 3 games and BET gets us in.

Running the math I see no way it doesn't. Our RPI would be mid 30's at that point.

Disagree. If we win one out of three BE regular season games and finish 9-9 in conference, and then win just one BET game, that means we lose the next one. That would put our conference total record at 10-10 and at 11-2 OOC at 21-12. I wouldn't argue if we got in with that, but I don't think you can take that to the bank.

 

[Jack Williams]

Fatcessa just said last night's win puts us in the tournament. Uh oh

For the time being, with out a doubt

 

[room112]

Can we all at least agree on this...

Two wins- any two wins- between these last 3 games and BET gets us in.

Running the math I see no way it doesn't. Our RPI would be mid 30's at that point.

Disagree. If we win one out of three BE regular season games and finish 9-9 in conference, and then win just one BET game, that means we lose the next one. That would put our conference total record at 10-10 and at 11-2 OOC at 21-12. I wouldn't argue if we got in with that, but I don't think you can take that to the bank.

Think you're focusing too much on W/L records and not enough on advanced metrics which are commonly used like RPI. You also have to factor in Top 50 RPI wins and record vs RPI top 100 which we are solid for both.

 

[LetLooieCoach]

Fatcessa just said last night's win puts us in the tournament. Uh oh

For the time being, with out a doubt

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. We have 3 regular season games left. Let's win 1 and not be felled by the Tank mush.

 

[beast of the east]

Can we all at least agree on this...

Two wins- any two wins- between these last 3 games and BET gets us in.

Running the math I see no way it doesn't. Our RPI would be mid 30's at that point.

Disagree. If we win one out of three BE regular season games and finish 9-9 in conference, and then win just one BET game, that means we lose the next one. That would put our conference total record at 10-10 and at 11-2 OOC at 21-12. I wouldn't argue if we got in with that, but I don't think you can take that to the bank.

Think you're focusing too much on W/L records and not enough on advanced metrics which are commonly used like RPI. You also have to factor in Top 50 RPI wins and record vs RPI top 100 which we are solid for both.

While the committee may use metrics as a factor in determining bids, it is still a highly subjective process. If not, there would be no complaints each March from programs left out of the tournament. Maybe I am focusing too much on wins and losses, but I fear that regardless of RPI, our OOC record against major conferences or top 25 teams, the selection committee will not regard the Big East conference worthy of selecting a team that couldn't finish better than .500 in what may be perceived as a mediocre conference

 

[SJUalum98]

Hold serve on your home court. That's all I want for the regular season.

If there was one game I wish we could do over, it was the Sheed no-show loss to Butler at CA.

Every other one I can stomach besides that one.