2014 Princeton Review / St. John's

This list is ridiculous...Providence is not far off Villanova academically.
Joe... Providence is a very good college and has done a very good job improving its academic profile but Villanova is better as evidenced by its various rankings particularly in undergrad business and engineering. The quality of applicants a school attracts provides a snapshot of the schools academics. Let look at the numbers for Providence and Villanova:

Providence.................................................................................Villanova
# of applicants 9,652.................................................................14,901
# of applicants accepted 5892....................................................6808
SAT Reading 520 to 630..............................................................590 to 680
SAT Math 530 to 640..............................................................610 to 710
Students in to 10% high school class... 37%................................58%
Students in to 25% high school class ... 69%................................87%


Just wow...keep in mind that many of these rankings are corrupt and some are even paid off.

Do you have any citation to back up your extreme allegation?
 
This list is ridiculous...Providence is not far off Villanova academically.
Joe... Providence is a very good college and has done a very good job improving its academic profile but Villanova is better as evidenced by its various rankings particularly in undergrad business and engineering. The quality of applicants a school attracts provides a snapshot of the schools academics. Let look at the numbers for Providence and Villanova:

Providence.................................................................................Villanova
# of applicants 9,652.................................................................14,901
# of applicants accepted 5892....................................................6808
SAT Reading 520 to 630..............................................................590 to 680
SAT Math 530 to 640..............................................................610 to 710
Students in to 10% high school class... 37%................................58%
Students in to 25% high school class ... 69%................................87%


Just wow...keep in mind that many of these rankings are corrupt and some are even paid off.

Do you have any citation to back up your extreme allegation?

No offense, I have a ton of experience with Villanova on many different levels, and am taking a serious look at Providence now. Providence is a fine school, Villanova is multiple leaps ahead of Providence in almost every way. The elite Catholic schools East of the Mississippi are in order: Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, and Villanova, probably in that order. No other Catholic school is even close to those 4.
 
This list is ridiculous...Providence is not far off Villanova academically.
Joe... Providence is a very good college and has done a very good job improving its academic profile but Villanova is better as evidenced by its various rankings particularly in undergrad business and engineering. The quality of applicants a school attracts provides a snapshot of the schools academics. Let look at the numbers for Providence and Villanova:

Providence.................................................................................Villanova
# of applicants 9,652.................................................................14,901
# of applicants accepted 5892....................................................6808
SAT Reading 520 to 630..............................................................590 to 680
SAT Math 530 to 640..............................................................610 to 710
Students in to 10% high school class... 37%................................58%
Students in to 25% high school class ... 69%................................87%


Just wow...keep in mind that many of these rankings are corrupt and some are even paid off.

Do you have any citation to back up your extreme allegation?

No offense, I have a ton of experience with Villanova on many different levels, and am taking a serious look at Providence now. Providence is a fine school, Villanova is multiple leaps ahead of Providence in almost every way. The elite Catholic schools East of the Mississippi are in order: Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, and Villanova, probably in that order. No other Catholic school is even close to those 4.

Fordham ???? Among top 5 Jesuit schools (G'Town, BC, Holy Cross) in the country ?? #58 in U.S. News, FWIW.

G'Town, arguably, is more difficult to be admitted than ND, also FWIW.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.

They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.

Just a wild guess, but don't you think students would love a shuttle to Manhattan on the weekends, from Friday night through Sunday night, so they can enjoy the city?
Right and you'll supply the black coffee on the trip back to campus

There are probably not enough students who would use this method to make it realistic, but it would be really cool if a SJU shuttle had 2 LI pickup locations: 1 in western suffolk and 1 in nassau. It's really not a bad ride at all and it's a straight shot on the LIE. Could easily take the HOV lane and just fly in there. I was picturing something like a park and ride.
 
PC has about 1,000 freshman, give or take.

Is the academic skill set of our top 1000 freshmen that much different from those at Providence ????

I would think not.
 
This list is ridiculous...Providence is not far off Villanova academically.
Joe... Providence is a very good college and has done a very good job improving its academic profile but Villanova is better as evidenced by its various rankings particularly in undergrad business and engineering. The quality of applicants a school attracts provides a snapshot of the schools academics. Let look at the numbers for Providence and Villanova:

Providence.................................................................................Villanova
# of applicants 9,652.................................................................14,901
# of applicants accepted 5892....................................................6808
SAT Reading 520 to 630..............................................................590 to 680
SAT Math 530 to 640..............................................................610 to 710
Students in to 10% high school class... 37%................................58%
Students in to 25% high school class ... 69%................................87%


Just wow...keep in mind that many of these rankings are corrupt and some are even paid off.

Do you have any citation to back up your extreme allegation?

No offense, I have a ton of experience with Villanova on many different levels, and am taking a serious look at Providence now. Providence is a fine school, Villanova is multiple leaps ahead of Providence in almost every way. The elite Catholic schools East of the Mississippi are in order: Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, and Villanova, probably in that order. No other Catholic school is even close to those 4.

Fordham ???? Among top 5 Jesuit schools (G'Town, BC, Holy Cross) in the country ?? #58 in U.S. News, FWIW.

G'Town, arguably, is more difficult to be admitted than ND, also FWIW.

Holy Cross is a very small (about 2800 students) liberal arts college, and probably would be the next school on the list. Fordham is a very fine school, but the admission requirements are somewhat below the schools I mentioned. Both could be the next schools on the list, but I do think Providence may be a little more difficult to get into (probably due to location and size (about 4500 students - again, it's a college not a university).
 
PC has about 1,000 freshman, give or take.

Is the academic skill set of our top 1000 freshmen that much different from those at Providence ????

I would think not.

My guess is that out top 1000 students are probably overall are superior to Providence's freshman class, especially when you factor in the college of pharmacy (about 400 freshman students) and the PA program, but it would be close.
 
This list is ridiculous...Providence is not far off Villanova academically.
Joe... Providence is a very good college and has done a very good job improving its academic profile but Villanova is better as evidenced by its various rankings particularly in undergrad business and engineering. The quality of applicants a school attracts provides a snapshot of the schools academics. Let look at the numbers for Providence and Villanova:

Providence.................................................................................Villanova
# of applicants 9,652.................................................................14,901
# of applicants accepted 5892....................................................6808
SAT Reading 520 to 630..............................................................590 to 680
SAT Math 530 to 640..............................................................610 to 710
Students in to 10% high school class... 37%................................58%
Students in to 25% high school class ... 69%................................87%


Just wow...keep in mind that many of these rankings are corrupt and some are even paid off.

Do you have any citation to back up your extreme allegation?

No offense, I have a ton of experience with Villanova on many different levels, and am taking a serious look at Providence now. Providence is a fine school, Villanova is multiple leaps ahead of Providence in almost every way. The elite Catholic schools East of the Mississippi are in order: Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, and Villanova, probably in that order. No other Catholic school is even close to those 4.

Fordham ???? Among top 5 Jesuit schools (G'Town, BC, Holy Cross) in the country ?? #58 in U.S. News, FWIW.

G'Town, arguably, is more difficult to be admitted than ND, also FWIW.
Also one of those FWIW, in the mid-90s, I made Fordham and Nova but didn't make G'Town (parents push). Goes with what you guys are saying.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.

They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.

Just a wild guess, but don't you think students would love a shuttle to Manhattan on the weekends, from Friday night through Sunday night, so they can enjoy the city?
Right and you'll supply the black coffee on the trip back to campus

There are probably not enough students who would use this method to make it realistic, but it would be really cool if a SJU shuttle had 2 LI pickup locations: 1 in western suffolk and 1 in nassau. It's really not a bad ride at all and it's a straight shot on the LIE. Could easily take the HOV lane and just fly in there. I was picturing something like a park and ride.

The area around St. John's is safe enough where students can take public transportation safely into the city at all hours. I don't think you could justify the cost of the shuttle to Manhattan on weekends because people will want to go at their own hours and unless you run them every hour people wouldn't use them. And you can't run them every hour because it'd be way too costly. Fordham has a "Ram Van" where you pay to take a van driven by a paid student to their Lincoln Center campus and those run at all hours but they get heavily used because it's not safe to walk half a mile down Fordham Road to the D train at 3 AM. At St. John's to get to Manhattan all you have to do is cross Union Turnpike and your'e on the Q46 an in the city in 40 minutes.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.

They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.

Just a wild guess, but don't you think students would love a shuttle to Manhattan on the weekends, from Friday night through Sunday night, so they can enjoy the city?
Right and you'll supply the black coffee on the trip back to campus

There are probably not enough students who would use this method to make it realistic, but it would be really cool if a SJU shuttle had 2 LI pickup locations: 1 in western suffolk and 1 in nassau. It's really not a bad ride at all and it's a straight shot on the LIE. Could easily take the HOV lane and just fly in there. I was picturing something like a park and ride.

The area around St. John's is safe enough where students can take public transportation safely into the city at all hours. I don't think you could justify the cost of the shuttle to Manhattan on weekends because people will want to go at their own hours and unless you run them every hour people wouldn't use them. And you can't run them every hour because it'd be way too costly. Fordham has a "Ram Van" where you pay to take a van driven by a paid student to their Lincoln Center campus and those run at all hours but they get heavily used because it's not safe to walk half a mile down Fordham Road to the D train at 3 AM. At St. John's to get to Manhattan all you have to do is cross Union Turnpike and your'e on the Q46 an in the city in 40 minutes.

Thanks for your input. Do you think it's safe to take the E/F train to 179th St. at 2 AM on the weekend, and walk or bus it to SJU campus? Just wondering. I know Fordham has a beautiful campus, but the surrounding neighborhood is shaky.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.

They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.

Just a wild guess, but don't you think students would love a shuttle to Manhattan on the weekends, from Friday night through Sunday night, so they can enjoy the city?
Right and you'll supply the black coffee on the trip back to campus

There are probably not enough students who would use this method to make it realistic, but it would be really cool if a SJU shuttle had 2 LI pickup locations: 1 in western suffolk and 1 in nassau. It's really not a bad ride at all and it's a straight shot on the LIE. Could easily take the HOV lane and just fly in there. I was picturing something like a park and ride.

The area around St. John's is safe enough where students can take public transportation safely into the city at all hours. I don't think you could justify the cost of the shuttle to Manhattan on weekends because people will want to go at their own hours and unless you run them every hour people wouldn't use them. And you can't run them every hour because it'd be way too costly. Fordham has a "Ram Van" where you pay to take a van driven by a paid student to their Lincoln Center campus and those run at all hours but they get heavily used because it's not safe to walk half a mile down Fordham Road to the D train at 3 AM. At St. John's to get to Manhattan all you have to do is cross Union Turnpike and your'e on the Q46 an in the city in 40 minutes.

I feel quite safe around SJU and the surrounding areas, but I was talking about a shuttle to the Queens campus from the LI locations. They already have a shuttle I believe between the SI and Queens ones...it would take about the same time if not quicker from the LI locations to Queens. From most parts of Nassau it's 25-30 min and from Western Suffolk it's about 35-45 minutes or so.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.

They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.

Just a wild guess, but don't you think students would love a shuttle to Manhattan on the weekends, from Friday night through Sunday night, so they can enjoy the city?
Right and you'll supply the black coffee on the trip back to campus

There are probably not enough students who would use this method to make it realistic, but it would be really cool if a SJU shuttle had 2 LI pickup locations: 1 in western suffolk and 1 in nassau. It's really not a bad ride at all and it's a straight shot on the LIE. Could easily take the HOV lane and just fly in there. I was picturing something like a park and ride.

The area around St. John's is safe enough where students can take public transportation safely into the city at all hours. I don't think you could justify the cost of the shuttle to Manhattan on weekends because people will want to go at their own hours and unless you run them every hour people wouldn't use them. And you can't run them every hour because it'd be way too costly. Fordham has a "Ram Van" where you pay to take a van driven by a paid student to their Lincoln Center campus and those run at all hours but they get heavily used because it's not safe to walk half a mile down Fordham Road to the D train at 3 AM. At St. John's to get to Manhattan all you have to do is cross Union Turnpike and your'e on the Q46 an in the city in 40 minutes.

Thanks for your input. Do you think it's safe to take the E/F train to 179th St. at 2 AM on the weekend, and walk or bus it to SJU campus? Just wondering. I know Fordham has a beautiful campus, but the surrounding neighborhood is shaky.

Nobody takes the E/F to 179 and walks/buses to campus. That would be dangerous. Most people take the E/F to Kew Gardens and take the Q46 right to campus which is a very safe route. Some people also take the F to 169th and walk to campus/take the bus down Homelawn Street which is a little less safe but I lived in that area for a year and never felt in any danger or anything late at night.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.

They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.

Just a wild guess, but don't you think students would love a shuttle to Manhattan on the weekends, from Friday night through Sunday night, so they can enjoy the city?
Right and you'll supply the black coffee on the trip back to campus

There are probably not enough students who would use this method to make it realistic, but it would be really cool if a SJU shuttle had 2 LI pickup locations: 1 in western suffolk and 1 in nassau. It's really not a bad ride at all and it's a straight shot on the LIE. Could easily take the HOV lane and just fly in there. I was picturing something like a park and ride.

The area around St. John's is safe enough where students can take public transportation safely into the city at all hours. I don't think you could justify the cost of the shuttle to Manhattan on weekends because people will want to go at their own hours and unless you run them every hour people wouldn't use them. And you can't run them every hour because it'd be way too costly. Fordham has a "Ram Van" where you pay to take a van driven by a paid student to their Lincoln Center campus and those run at all hours but they get heavily used because it's not safe to walk half a mile down Fordham Road to the D train at 3 AM. At St. John's to get to Manhattan all you have to do is cross Union Turnpike and your'e on the Q46 an in the city in 40 minutes.

Thanks for your input. Do you think it's safe to take the E/F train to 179th St. at 2 AM on the weekend, and walk or bus it to SJU campus? Just wondering. I know Fordham has a beautiful campus, but the surrounding neighborhood is shaky.

Nobody takes the E/F to 179 and walks/buses to campus. That would be dangerous. Most people take the E/F to Kew Gardens and take the Q46 right to campus which is a very safe route. Some people also take the F to 169th and walk to campus/take the bus down Homelawn Street which is a little less safe but I lived in that area for a year and never felt in any danger or anything late at night.

Ah ok.. of course, taking the E/F to Kew makes sense, and Queens Blvd is safe at almost anytime of day/night. I took that Bus when I first started St. Johns. Can anyone help - what is the route of the Q44? Does that go to Queens College? I remember taking the Q44VP (to Vleigh Place) to get to Queens College from Kew. I was thinking that you felt it was safe to take the E/F all the way up to the last stop, and I know I probably wouldn't feel comfortable doing so.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.

They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.

Just a wild guess, but don't you think students would love a shuttle to Manhattan on the weekends, from Friday night through Sunday night, so they can enjoy the city?
Right and you'll supply the black coffee on the trip back to campus

There are probably not enough students who would use this method to make it realistic, but it would be really cool if a SJU shuttle had 2 LI pickup locations: 1 in western suffolk and 1 in nassau. It's really not a bad ride at all and it's a straight shot on the LIE. Could easily take the HOV lane and just fly in there. I was picturing something like a park and ride.

The area around St. John's is safe enough where students can take public transportation safely into the city at all hours. I don't think you could justify the cost of the shuttle to Manhattan on weekends because people will want to go at their own hours and unless you run them every hour people wouldn't use them. And you can't run them every hour because it'd be way too costly. Fordham has a "Ram Van" where you pay to take a van driven by a paid student to their Lincoln Center campus and those run at all hours but they get heavily used because it's not safe to walk half a mile down Fordham Road to the D train at 3 AM. At St. John's to get to Manhattan all you have to do is cross Union Turnpike and your'e on the Q46 an in the city in 40 minutes.

I feel quite safe around SJU and the surrounding areas, but I was talking about a shuttle to the Queens campus from the LI locations. They already have a shuttle I believe between the SI and Queens ones...it would take about the same time if not quicker from the LI locations to Queens. From most parts of Nassau it's 25-30 min and from Western Suffolk it's about 35-45 minutes or so.

The school should make it easy to commute between campuses, especially if any students have a split schedule, taking some courses in Oakdale and others on the Jamaica campus - and it should be free.
 
I truly wonder how many split their schedules though. Especially undergrad. Grad school yes I took Manhattan and Queens classes but do some students really take Oakdale and Queens? or SI and Queens?
 
.........................................Providence..........Villanova..............Fordham........Holy Cross..........St.John's
# of applicants ......................9,652................14,901.............34,069...........7,228.................51,634
# of applicants accepted .........5892................6,808..............14,621............2,424.................27,449
# Enrolled.................................999..................1,642...............1,882..............763.....................2,792
SAT Reading .......................520 to 630....... 590 to 680........590 to 670......600 to 700..........480 to 590
SAT Math ...........................530 to 640........610 to 710........590 to 680.......620 to 680..........490 to 620
Students 10% high school class... 37%...............58%.................50%.................60%..................17%
Students i25% high school class ... 69%..............87%.................87%................95%...................40%

cite: The College Board
 
I truly wonder how many split their schedules though. Especially undergrad. Grad school yes I took Manhattan and Queens classes but do some students really take Oakdale and Queens? or SI and Queens?

There are some undergrads who are on the Staten Island campus but need to take a class that isn't offered there in Queens. Also some professors teach on both campuses and they take the shuttle. Most Risk Management undergrad students have a split schedule between Manhattan and Queens too. I didn't even know the Oakdale campus existed before Joe joined the boards so I can't vouch for that.
 
This list is ridiculous...Providence is not far off Villanova academically.
Joe... Providence is a very good college and has done a very good job improving its academic profile but Villanova is better as evidenced by its various rankings particularly in undergrad business and engineering. The quality of applicants a school attracts provides a snapshot of the schools academics. Let look at the numbers for Providence and Villanova:

Providence.................................................................................Villanova
# of applicants 9,652.................................................................14,901
# of applicants accepted 5892....................................................6808
SAT Reading 520 to 630..............................................................590 to 680
SAT Math 530 to 640..............................................................610 to 710
Students in to 10% high school class... 37%................................58%
Students in to 25% high school class ... 69%................................87%


Just wow...keep in mind that many of these rankings are corrupt and some are even paid off.

Do you have any citation to back up your extreme allegation?

No offense, I have a ton of experience with Villanova on many different levels, and am taking a serious look at Providence now. Providence is a fine school, Villanova is multiple leaps ahead of Providence in almost every way. The elite Catholic schools East of the Mississippi are in order: Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, and Villanova, probably in that order. No other Catholic school is even close to those 4.
Nova has a great connected Alumni base in finance but dont sell Providence short. Some of my clients are hedge fund connected from providence and they make a lot of money. But I find them very annoying basketball fans even though they are good guys
 
Taking my son up to SUNY Albany next week to start his freshman year. The tuition at Albany is in the 20K range. My son is getting $7,500.00 per year in student loans, so he'll graduate with a very manageable $30,000.00 in loans. Between the loans and some scholarship money that he's receiving, the tuition for the next 4 years won't strangle me. The huge discrepancy in tuition between the private schools and public schools made the decision a very easy one for us.
 
Taking my son up to SUNY Albany next week to start his freshman year. The tuition at Albany is in the 20K range. My son is getting $7,500.00 per year in student loans, so he'll graduate with a very manageable $30,000.00 in loans. Between the loans and some scholarship money that he's receiving, the tuition for the next 4 years won't strangle me. The huge discrepancy in tuition between the private schools and public schools made the decision a very easy one for us.

Good luck and congratulations to your son. Not sure if this is your first, last or only child, but beginning college is such a milestone step for students and their parents. Your assessment of the value of a state university is dead on, and the reason why in a sagging economy that the NYS system in particular is attracting more attention and high caliber applicants. My son is a year away from starting his freshman year in college, and it will be as difficult emotionally for my wife and I to see him go as it was for my oldest.
 
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