2014 Princeton Review / St. John's

No offense Beast but you went to school how many years ago? Your scores might not be so current :)
 
From The Princeton Review : Page 512

STUDENT'S SAY "........"

LIFE

The universiy does an excellent job of making sure everything is personalized and "there is an abundance of resources all over campus that helps all students (especially the freshman) to become involved in college life."

St. John's "gives importance to being social along with studying," and students here are generally "very outgoing and involved in activities" and "generally very tolerant and accepting of others."

The "beautiful campus" has a large number of commuters as well as residents, and there is "transportation to other events" provided by the school.

School spirit definitely hits its peak "during basketball season."

People have the resources of "literally the world through the proximity to NYC," all while keeping the "safety of students ...a strength."

"I get to experience campus life but still get to live in New York City," says a senior Biology and English major.

"The perk of going to school at St. John's you have the typical small town college campus feel, but a quick subway ride is the best city in the world!"

There are over 180 student organizations ("I'm never bored" says a freshman) and they "get a lot of support from administartion and faculty."

As a Catholic school, there is a real "sense of community and service" throughout the campus, and most here "are particularly committed to community service and to helping those in deprived socioeconomic backgrounds."
 
The problem is the tuition is so high that middle class white people like myself will choose a state school over St. John's 9 times out of 10. I had a Mid 90's GPA in high school and over 630 on all parts of the SAT and I'm a double legacy and only got a 12k scholarship which left me taking out over 30k in loans per year. I was a fool to go to St. John's at that price. They've priced out the good middle class student and until they make the academics such that its worth that much more than a state school they will be mediocre.
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I'm curious. Wouldn't you have been eligible for close to a full scholarship at CW Post? I agree that for a good (non pharmacy) student to come out of SJU with $120,000 in student loans is crazy.
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My parents told me to go wherever I wanted and thankfully took the brunt of the debt. In the end it worked out because SJU has a really good accounting program and I got a job through St. John's at a firm near my house making well more than a 22 year old working outside of the city should. That would not have happened if I went to a school like CW Post. The point is that there are so many kids who get great grades but their parents make too much to get government aid but not enough to afford pay 30 grand a year in cash. Unless we beef up our rankings those kids will either go to Albany or Binghamton, take more money from a lesser school like Post, or bite the financial bullet and go to a better school like Syracuse, Fordham, Villanova, etc.. If SJU stays on the road they are going on then by the time I have kids that are old enough to go to St. John's the school will be 80% minority.
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Maybe I'm not with the times anymore but I would be very surprised if middle class families today weren't able to set aside $100,000 for their child's collegiate education.
 
PRINCETON REVIEW: Page 39

Students Study The Least:

1. University of North Dakota
2. Ole Miss.
3. West Virginia
4. University of Iowa
5. CUNY: Baruch
6. Monmouth U.
7. University of Maryland
8. University of Ireland, Maynooth
9. Alabama
10. Trinity College Dublin
11. ST. JOHN'S
12. Florida State
13. CUNY: Queens College
14. University of Central Florida
15. University of Florida
16. Ohio University
17. James Madison
18. Alabama at Birmingham
19. Emerson College
20. University of Idaho
 
Princeton Review , Page 43

LEAST HAPPY STUDENTS:

1. NJIT
2. Merchant Marine Academy
3. Baruch
4. USNA
5. West Point
6. U. of Hawaii at Manoa
7. Marywood U.
8. Indiana U of Penn.
9. Clarkson University
10. Montana Tech
11. Manhattanville
12. McGill
13. Cooper Union
14. Queens College
15. Maine
16. Illinois Institute of Technology
17. ST. JOHN'S
18. Rider
19. Wesleyan College (Georgia)
20. University of North Dakota
 
The problem is the tuition is so high that middle class white people like myself will choose a state school over St. John's 9 times out of 10. I had a Mid 90's GPA in high school and over 630 on all parts of the SAT and I'm a double legacy and only got a 12k scholarship which left me taking out over 30k in loans per year. I was a fool to go to St. John's at that price. They've priced out the good middle class student and until they make the academics such that its worth that much more than a state school they will be mediocre.
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I'm curious. Wouldn't you have been eligible for close to a full scholarship at CW Post? I agree that for a good (non pharmacy) student to come out of SJU with $120,000 in student loans is crazy.
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My parents told me to go wherever I wanted and thankfully took the brunt of the debt. In the end it worked out because SJU has a really good accounting program and I got a job through St. John's at a firm near my house making well more than a 22 year old working outside of the city should. That would not have happened if I went to a school like CW Post. The point is that there are so many kids who get great grades but their parents make too much to get government aid but not enough to afford pay 30 grand a year in cash. Unless we beef up our rankings those kids will either go to Albany or Binghamton, take more money from a lesser school like Post, or bite the financial bullet and go to a better school like Syracuse, Fordham, Villanova, etc.. If SJU stays on the road they are going on then by the time I have kids that are old enough to go to St. John's the school will be 80% minority.
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Maybe I'm not with the times anymore but I would be very surprised if middle class families today weren't able to set aside $100,000 for their child's collegiate education.
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Most people have two kids and saving half a million dollars to put them through private college isn't easy today.
 
The problem is the tuition is so high that middle class white people like myself will choose a state school over St. John's 9 times out of 10. I had a Mid 90's GPA in high school and over 630 on all parts of the SAT and I'm a double legacy and only got a 12k scholarship which left me taking out over 30k in loans per year. I was a fool to go to St. John's at that price. They've priced out the good middle class student and until they make the academics such that its worth that much more than a state school they will be mediocre.
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I'm curious. Wouldn't you have been eligible for close to a full scholarship at CW Post? I agree that for a good (non pharmacy) student to come out of SJU with $120,000 in student loans is crazy.
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My parents told me to go wherever I wanted and thankfully took the brunt of the debt. In the end it worked out because SJU has a really good accounting program and I got a job through St. John's at a firm near my house making well more than a 22 year old working outside of the city should. That would not have happened if I went to a school like CW Post. The point is that there are so many kids who get great grades but their parents make too much to get government aid but not enough to afford pay 30 grand a year in cash. Unless we beef up our rankings those kids will either go to Albany or Binghamton, take more money from a lesser school like Post, or bite the financial bullet and go to a better school like Syracuse, Fordham, Villanova, etc.. If SJU stays on the road they are going on then by the time I have kids that are old enough to go to St. John's the school will be 80% minority.
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Maybe I'm not with the times anymore but I would be very surprised if middle class families today weren't able to set aside $100,000 for their child's collegiate education.
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Most people have two kids and saving half a million dollars to put them through private college isn't easy today.
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That would equate to $200,000, not $500,000.
 
The problem is the tuition is so high that middle class white people like myself will choose a state school over St. John's 9 times out of 10. I had a Mid 90's GPA in high school and over 630 on all parts of the SAT and I'm a double legacy and only got a 12k scholarship which left me taking out over 30k in loans per year. I was a fool to go to St. John's at that price. They've priced out the good middle class student and until they make the academics such that its worth that much more than a state school they will be mediocre.
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I'm curious. Wouldn't you have been eligible for close to a full scholarship at CW Post? I agree that for a good (non pharmacy) student to come out of SJU with $120,000 in student loans is crazy.
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My parents told me to go wherever I wanted and thankfully took the brunt of the debt. In the end it worked out because SJU has a really good accounting program and I got a job through St. John's at a firm near my house making well more than a 22 year old working outside of the city should. That would not have happened if I went to a school like CW Post. The point is that there are so many kids who get great grades but their parents make too much to get government aid but not enough to afford pay 30 grand a year in cash. Unless we beef up our rankings those kids will either go to Albany or Binghamton, take more money from a lesser school like Post, or bite the financial bullet and go to a better school like Syracuse, Fordham, Villanova, etc.. If SJU stays on the road they are going on then by the time I have kids that are old enough to go to St. John's the school will be 80% minority.
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Maybe I'm not with the times anymore but I would be very surprised if middle class families today weren't able to set aside $100,000 for their child's collegiate education.
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Most people have two kids and saving half a million dollars to put them through private college isn't easy today.
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That would equate to $200,000, not $500,000.
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Just my opinion, but to save $200,000 over 18 years is very difficult for most middle class families that have a mortgage, high real estate taxes, and also struggling to save for their own retirements.
 
From The Princeton Review : Page 512

STUDENT'S SAY "........"

LIFE

The universiy does an excellent job of making sure everything is personalized and "there is an abundance of resources all over campus that helps all students (especially the freshman) to become involved in college life."

St. John's "gives importance to being social along with studying," and students here are generally "very outgoing and involved in activities" and "generally very tolerant and accepting of others."

The "beautiful campus" has a large number of commuters as well as residents, and there is "transportation to other events" provided by the school.

School spirit definitely hits its peak "during basketball season."

People have the resources of "literally the world through the proximity to NYC," all while keeping the "safety of students ...a strength."

"I get to experience campus life but still get to live in New York City," says a senior Biology and English major.

"The perk of going to school at St. John's you have the typical small town college campus feel, but a quick subway ride is the best city in the world!"

There are over 180 student organizations ("I'm never bored" says a freshman) and they "get a lot of support from administartion and faculty."

As a Catholic school, there is a real "sense of community and service" throughout the campus, and most here "are particularly committed to community service and to helping those in deprived socioeconomic backgrounds."
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JSJ,
Are these quotes representative of the survey, or are they culled? They appear incongruous with the rankings. Not all schools can be elite academic institutions. However, all can strive to be places that offer students a great college experience.
 
Surveys have their place and I have used them and standardized tests for many years in my work as a clinical educator in behavioral health, but there are other markers of campus quality of life like suicidality, arrests, substance abuse and psychiatric admissions, etc., that are harder indicators of how people are faring. Think of infant mortality as an equivalent cornerstone indicator of socioeconomic quality of life in a community.
 
Surveys have their place and I have used them and standardized tests for many years in my work as a clinical educator in behavioral health, but there are other markers of campus quality of life like suicidality, arrests, substance abuse and psychiatric admissions, etc., that are harder indicators of how people are faring. Think of infant mortality as an equivalent cornerstone indicator of socioeconomic quality of life in a community.
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I know your point, but I know for example that the President's Day weekend was at one time (and maybe today also) a big suicide weekend for kids who couldn't afford to go home and went to school in remote locations. When that break followed exams where a kid didn't do well, that also could factor in. I just don't know if those things have much to do with overall happiness of students at large.

I mean, just because some kids don't like SJU isn't a reason for suicide - it isn't THAT bad of a place.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states
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JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.
 
The problem is the tuition is so high that middle class white people like myself will choose a state school over St. John's 9 times out of 10. I had a Mid 90's GPA in high school and over 630 on all parts of the SAT and I'm a double legacy and only got a 12k scholarship which left me taking out over 30k in loans per year. I was a fool to go to St. John's at that price. They've priced out the good middle class student and until they make the academics such that its worth that much more than a state school they will be mediocre.
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I'm curious. Wouldn't you have been eligible for close to a full scholarship at CW Post? I agree that for a good (non pharmacy) student to come out of SJU with $120,000 in student loans is crazy.
Click to expand...

My parents told me to go wherever I wanted and thankfully took the brunt of the debt. In the end it worked out because SJU has a really good accounting program and I got a job through St. John's at a firm near my house making well more than a 22 year old working outside of the city should. That would not have happened if I went to a school like CW Post. The point is that there are so many kids who get great grades but their parents make too much to get government aid but not enough to afford pay 30 grand a year in cash. Unless we beef up our rankings those kids will either go to Albany or Binghamton, take more money from a lesser school like Post, or bite the financial bullet and go to a better school like Syracuse, Fordham, Villanova, etc.. If SJU stays on the road they are going on then by the time I have kids that are old enough to go to St. John's the school will be 80% minority.
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Maybe I'm not with the times anymore but I would be very surprised if middle class families today weren't able to set aside $100,000 for their child's collegiate education.
Click to expand...

Most people have two kids and saving half a million dollars to put them through private college isn't easy today.
Click to expand...

That would equate to $200,000, not $500,000.
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Do college rankings matter? With the price of a four-year education approaching a quarter million dollars, it’s worth paying attention. "Forbes"
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states
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JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.
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They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states
Click to expand...

JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.
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They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.
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Just a wild guess, but don't you think students would love a shuttle to Manhattan on the weekends, from Friday night through Sunday night, so they can enjoy the city?
 
This list is ridiculous...Providence is not far off Villanova academically and they list PC as #71 in the NORTHEAST! Just wow...keep in mind that many of these rankings are corrupt and some are even paid off.
 
Forbes Rankings : We are #407

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#page:41_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states
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JSJ,

We are ranked 407, with the highest tuition, room and board (retail) of any school above 350, and certainly at retail one of the most expensive schools in the country. Do you have an opinion as to what is a realistic place that St. John's can place in a national ranking if a new President set out to change the Vincentian style of management?

For example,

Why should Boston College, Georgetown, and Villanova all have top 15 business schools, when the heart of business in the U.S. is right in NYC? Couldn't we put together a team of faculty with successful business experience and establish a world class internship program to at least be in the top 50? You may be aware that Jim Riley exerted his influence at Goldman Sachs to establish internships there. We need more active engagement with the NYC business community.

Why can't we establish as a goal, stronger relationships between faculty, administration, and students. Faculty and even other Vincentians often remarked that Harrington was aloof, which contrasted his engaging style with big donors. The new President should be charismatic, and be someone who knows many students and staff on a first name basis.

Rather than just seek out big money, with a metro population that includes some of the most influential people in the world, why not solicit donations to establish a faculty chair for faculty renowned in politics, business, even sports managements. What about reaching out to prominent alumni. Wouldn't it be cool to have a faculty position in government for a Mario Cuomo (alum). The lectures alone would be priceless.

St. John's markets proximity to NYC, but can do more to shape curriculum and student experience around Manhattan. For example, if it doesn't exist, wouldn't an art history course, or architecture course that focused on NYC museums and structures be amazing. After all, students travel to Europe and take similar courses. No doubt Europe offers a phenomenal experience, but NYC isn't exactly Dubuque in that regard.

I know that the E/F train is only a couple of miles from campus, but nearly every school I visited in the Boston area (within 50 miles) offers free shuttles to students to attract students that love an urban experience like Boston. If SJU really wanted to connect themselves to NYC, shuttle buses that have stops in Manhattan from the Queens campus would likely be very popular, especially on weekends when Jamaica is kind of dull.

Yes, I'd be a good choice for University President, but only have a masters.





Thanks.
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They do have a shuttle to Manhattan but only on weekdays.
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Just a wild guess, but don't you think students would love a shuttle to Manhattan on the weekends, from Friday night through Sunday night, so they can enjoy the city?
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Right and you'll supply the black coffee on the trip back to campus
 
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