19-20 Transfers

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Geoff Grammer @GeoffGrammer
Huge news for Lobo hoops as Zane Martin announces he is transferring. twitter.com/zanemartin_0/s…

11 Aug 2020 04:49
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Is he a grad transfer? I wonder if he's a possible replacement for Figgy, or does Temple grab him?
 
Looks like he could be a grad transfer. His stats at New Mexico last year weren't overly impressive - 10 ppg, 41 % fg pct, only 25% from three. Had a good soph year but that was in CAA for Towson State.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=395770]Looks like he could be a grad transfer. His stats at New Mexico last year weren't overly impressive - 10 ppg, 41 % fg pct, only 25% from three. Had a good soph year but that was in CAA for Towson State.[/quote]

I saw the production fall-off as well, but he shot 48% from 2pt range, and his Apg /TO and Steals/g improved. Funny, Rasheem Dunn had a marked fall-off from St. Francis to SJU, but was a very productive player last year and is counted on to be a leader in '20 - '21 (if played).
And Martin's transfer seems to be viewed as a loss by LOBO followers.
Just sayin', maybe somebody to look at for a 1-year stay.
 
It's conceivable we could see a few more grad transfer announcements with kids finishing up the final summer session.
 
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=395787]It's conceivable we could see a few more grad transfer announcements with kids finishing up the final summer session.[/quote]

Nick Rutherford was a 'late' commit last year (late June), but Covid-affects make this year unique and, I agree, should result in some very late 'surprises'.
So weird, more shoes to drop and it's 'almost' mid-August...
 
This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.
 
[quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

A question I don't know the answer to, which is why I'm asking it. Lol.
Would a Grad Transfer commit for '20 - '21 'count' for '21 - '22 IF there's no '20 - '21 season?
 
[quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

It would be nice to have a couple to hand out to sit-out transfers after next season so we don't have to replace the huge class of seniors all at once. Numbers might not work out unless a kid leaves and we don't replace them immediately, though.
 
[quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=395803][quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.[/quote]

Guessing more on this, I'd say the 'ship is good for 1 year. If the grad transfer student athlete doesn't play, his 'free ride' would be over. He might have a 'playing' year left, but i bet that'd be contingent on him paying his own way.
If he did pay his own way and played on the team, a vague bell tells me he might not count against the 13-man roster.
I think a player at either Creighton or Marquette graduated with a year-to-play, and paid his own way so his brother could have the team's last 'ship. I think that's right, but not sure.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=395805][quote="Boo Harvey" post=395803][quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

Matt Stainbrook of Xavier

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.[/quote]

Guessing more on this, I'd say the 'ship is good for 1 year. If the grad transfer student athlete doesn't play, his 'free ride' would be over. He might have a 'playing' year left, but i bet that'd be contingent on him paying his own way.
If he did pay his own way and played on the team, a vague bell tells me he might not count against the 13-man roster.
I think a player at either Creighton or Marquette graduated with a year-to-play, and paid his own way so his brother could have the team's last 'ship. I think that's right, but not sure.[/quote]
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=395807][quote="Chicago Days" post=395805][quote="Boo Harvey" post=395803][quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

Matt Stainbrook of Xavier

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.[/quote]

Guessing more on this, I'd say the 'ship is good for 1 year. If the grad transfer student athlete doesn't play, his 'free ride' would be over. He might have a 'playing' year left, but i bet that'd be contingent on him paying his own way.
If he did pay his own way and played on the team, a vague bell tells me he might not count against the 13-man roster.
I think a player at either Creighton or Marquette graduated with a year-to-play, and paid his own way so his brother could have the team's last 'ship. I think that's right, but not sure.[/quote][/quote]

Thanks Paultz. I was going to include Xavier in the mix--thought it was school in the midwest and knew it wasn't DePaul--but had a senior moment and forgot. Lol.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=395803][quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.[/quote]

As someone already answered he may be granted another year if this year doesn’t happen or maybe he chooses not to play as well. I’d rather plan for the long term. If anything look at 21 kids who with no high school season might be able to move up a class. That is a better calculated risk
 
[quote="Moose" post=395813][quote="Boo Harvey" post=395803][quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.[/quote]

As someone already answered he may be granted another year if this year doesn’t happen or maybe he chooses not to play as well. I’d rather plan for the long term. If anything look at 21 kids who with no high school season might be able to move up a class. That is a better calculated risk[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Passing on a potential impact grad student (not opining on whether this kid is that) with one year of eligibility bc: (i) the season might get cancelled; (ii) he might be granted another year of eligibility; and (iii) he might come back seems speculative to put it mildly.

If the season is cancelled, schools are not going to lose their ability to fill scholarships for the following year. If that were the case, schools would have to rescind offers to kids who have already committed.

The risk of signing up a kid with one year eligibility strikes me as infinitesimal and the up-side — with the right recruit — is large.


Particularly with our struggles in recruiting, I think it’s critical that we have a season this year and that we achieve demonstrable success. We should do everything we can to make that happen.

In any event, scholarships are renewable each year. We have no obligation to renew a grad transfer’s scholarship for a second year. I’m struggling to see a downside.
 
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[quote="Boo Harvey" post=395814][quote="Moose" post=395813][quote="Boo Harvey" post=395803][quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.[/quote]

As someone already answered he may be granted another year if this year doesn’t happen or maybe he chooses not to play as well. I’d rather plan for the long term. If anything look at 21 kids who with no high school season might be able to move up a class. That is a better calculated risk[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Passing on a potential impact grad student (not opining on whether this kid is that) with one year of eligibility bc: (i) the season might get cancelled; (ii) he might be granted another year of eligibility; and (iii) he might come back seems speculative to put it mildly.

If the season is cancelled, schools are not going to lose their ability to fill scholarships for the following year. If that were the case, schools would have to rescind offers to kids who have already committed.

The risk of signing up a kid with one year eligibility strikes me as infinitesimal and the up-side — with the right recruit — is large.


Particularly with our struggles in recruiting, I think it’s critical that we have a season this year and that we achieve demonstrable success. We should do everything we can to make that happen.

In any event, scholarships are renewable each year. We have no obligation to renew a grad transfer’s scholarship for a second year. I’m struggling to see a downside.[/quote]

1. I don’t see anyone impactful coming up. Now what happens with football. Do they let kids transfer for free from conferences that canceled. That we don’t know

2. Last spring sports were cancelled. Didn’t effect basketball but of course those sports aren’t as finite as 13 ships. Also those kids likely don’t have pro careers hanging in the balance so many just packed up and graduated not electing to come back to school for another year to play.

I still don’t see a season happening and if it does it will be a sham abbreviated season so to me go at it with what you have. Is anyone gonna take this year seriously. If a team struggles a coach likely won’t be fired. Schools will still be operating heavy losses. Just seems like a wash.

Again keep eye on reclassified kids who with no HS season might be able to come mid year. Rather have a long term impact. We’re building.

3. If we took a grad transfer and there was no year and he wanted to stay you would boot him ? I mean I’m pretty sure a staff is having him come to play ball not take a few grad classes. We don’t know what will happen with ships and all the rules. Back to point one I don’t see anyone impactful transferring unless the conferences become the Wild West. Let’s see the football fallout.
 
[quote="Moose" post=395815][quote="Boo Harvey" post=395814][quote="Moose" post=395813][quote="Boo Harvey" post=395803][quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.[/quote]

As someone already answered he may be granted another year if this year doesn’t happen or maybe he chooses not to play as well. I’d rather plan for the long term. If anything look at 21 kids who with no high school season might be able to move up a class. That is a better calculated risk[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Passing on a potential impact grad student (not opining on whether this kid is that) with one year of eligibility bc: (i) the season might get cancelled; (ii) he might be granted another year of eligibility; and (iii) he might come back seems speculative to put it mildly.

If the season is cancelled, schools are not going to lose their ability to fill scholarships for the following year. If that were the case, schools would have to rescind offers to kids who have already committed.

The risk of signing up a kid with one year eligibility strikes me as infinitesimal and the up-side — with the right recruit — is large.


Particularly with our struggles in recruiting, I think it’s critical that we have a season this year and that we achieve demonstrable success. We should do everything we can to make that happen.

In any event, scholarships are renewable each year. We have no obligation to renew a grad transfer’s scholarship for a second year. I’m struggling to see a downside.[/quote]

1. I don’t see anyone impactful coming up. Now what happens with football. Do they let kids transfer for free from conferences that canceled. That we don’t know

2. Last spring sports were cancelled. Didn’t effect basketball but of course those sports aren’t as finite as 13 ships. Also those kids likely don’t have pro careers hanging in the balance so many just packed up and graduated not electing to come back to school for another year to play.

I still don’t see a season happening and if it does it will be a sham abbreviated season so to me go at it with what you have. Is anyone gonna take this year seriously. If a team struggles a coach likely won’t be fired. Schools will still be operating heavy losses. Just seems like a wash.

Again keep eye on reclassified kids who with no HS season might be able to come mid year. Rather have a long term impact. We’re building.

3. If we took a grad transfer and there was no year and he wanted to stay you would boot him ? I mean I’m pretty sure a staff is having him come to play ball not take a few grad classes. We don’t know what will happen with ships and all the rules. Back to point one I don’t see anyone impactful transferring unless the conferences become the Wild West. Let’s see the football fallout.[/quote]

I’d continue to recruit and planned as if the season is going to happen. We should give ourselves every opportunity to be successful this year. If the season gets cancelled, that’s out of our control.

I could be wrong, but the idea of getting a quality HS kid to reclassify and commit mid-year strikes me as a pipe dream. If we find a grad transfer with talent or one that meets a need, we should grab him.
 
It’s the middle of August in the middle of a pandemic. Even I’m in the camp of pocketing the ship at this point and using it for 2021’. I still think we need a big class this year. I’m hoping we can nab at least 1-2 top 7 caliber kids for this team.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=395814][quote="Moose" post=395813][quote="Boo Harvey" post=395803][quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.[/quote]

As someone already answered he may be granted another year if this year doesn’t happen or maybe he chooses not to play as well. I’d rather plan for the long term. If anything look at 21 kids who with no high school season might be able to move up a class. That is a better calculated risk[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Passing on a potential impact grad student (not opining on whether this kid is that) with one year of eligibility bc: (i) the season might get cancelled; (ii) he might be granted another year of eligibility; and (iii) he might come back seems speculative to put it mildly.

If the season is cancelled, schools are not going to lose their ability to fill scholarships for the following year. If that were the case, schools would have to rescind offers to kids who have already committed.

The risk of signing up a kid with one year eligibility strikes me as infinitesimal and the up-side — with the right recruit — is large.


Particularly with our struggles in recruiting, I think it’s critical that we have a season this year and that we achieve demonstrable success. We should do everything we can to make that happen.

In any event, scholarships are renewable each year. We have no obligation to renew a grad transfer’s scholarship for a second year. I’m struggling to see a downside.[/quote]

What if the only kids available are ones they only want for this season? Cutting a non-troublemaking kid loose after one non-played season because there's a high schooler they want with that spot in 2021-22 is kind of crappy.
 
If the Staff thinks this kid would be a solid addition for '20 - '21, that's good enough for me. IF there's a season, we'd have a stronger team. If the season is postponed / cancelled, Zane would have used his 'ship. He'd still have a year of eligibility remaining and maybe there'd be grad funds available to pay his tuition--or maybe the Staff thinks he should be offered a 'ship for his last playing year.
Who knows?
To me, we should build the best team we can for '20 - '21 just in case there's a season and deal with the future, when it happens.
 
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[quote="Boo Harvey" post=395816][quote="Moose" post=395815][quote="Boo Harvey" post=395814][quote="Moose" post=395813][quote="Boo Harvey" post=395803][quote="Moose" post=395796]This season is such a wash. To me no point in using the ship save it for next year. It is what it is this season if there even is one.[/quote]

If we use the ship on a grad transfer this year, we have it for next year. Not sure I follow your logic.[/quote]

As someone already answered he may be granted another year if this year doesn’t happen or maybe he chooses not to play as well. I’d rather plan for the long term. If anything look at 21 kids who with no high school season might be able to move up a class. That is a better calculated risk[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Passing on a potential impact grad student (not opining on whether this kid is that) with one year of eligibility bc: (i) the season might get cancelled; (ii) he might be granted another year of eligibility; and (iii) he might come back seems speculative to put it mildly.

If the season is cancelled, schools are not going to lose their ability to fill scholarships for the following year. If that were the case, schools would have to rescind offers to kids who have already committed.

The risk of signing up a kid with one year eligibility strikes me as infinitesimal and the up-side — with the right recruit — is large.


Particularly with our struggles in recruiting, I think it’s critical that we have a season this year and that we achieve demonstrable success. We should do everything we can to make that happen.

In any event, scholarships are renewable each year. We have no obligation to renew a grad transfer’s scholarship for a second year. I’m struggling to see a downside.[/quote]

1. I don’t see anyone impactful coming up. Now what happens with football. Do they let kids transfer for free from conferences that canceled. That we don’t know

2. Last spring sports were cancelled. Didn’t effect basketball but of course those sports aren’t as finite as 13 ships. Also those kids likely don’t have pro careers hanging in the balance so many just packed up and graduated not electing to come back to school for another year to play.

I still don’t see a season happening and if it does it will be a sham abbreviated season so to me go at it with what you have. Is anyone gonna take this year seriously. If a team struggles a coach likely won’t be fired. Schools will still be operating heavy losses. Just seems like a wash.

Again keep eye on reclassified kids who with no HS season might be able to come mid year. Rather have a long term impact. We’re building.

3. If we took a grad transfer and there was no year and he wanted to stay you would boot him ? I mean I’m pretty sure a staff is having him come to play ball not take a few grad classes. We don’t know what will happen with ships and all the rules. Back to point one I don’t see anyone impactful transferring unless the conferences become the Wild West. Let’s see the football fallout.[/quote]

I’d continue to recruit and planned as if the season is going to happen. We should give ourselves every opportunity to be successful this year. If the season gets cancelled, that’s out of our control.

I could be wrong, but the idea of getting a quality HS kid to reclassify and commit mid-year strikes me as a pipe dream. If we find a grad transfer with talent or one that meets a need, we should grab him.[/quote]

No offense but you think most of the time that any quality HS kid isn’t coming here.

If a 21 kid who was a 2 kid is in HS and there is no HS season but college is going on. And the kid has a chance start training with a college team instead I would consider it if I was the kid. Hamadou Diallo enrolled early in Kentucky a few years again. Trained for half a year then played one year before NBA. The world is upside down right now when it comes to college athletes. Just something to consider if a kid is able.

Also remember test score requirements were loosened.
 
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