Zags Article : coaches on hot seat - Mullin noted

The great Beast wrote:
"Stacked?
Jakarr Sampson couldn't make a 5 foot wide open jumper for more than 1/2 a season.
Harrison played himself into being a Wooden finalist, got banged up, and was never the same
Rysheed Jordan was never, ever, ever, ever, a 5 star talent. To me he wasn't even 4 star.
Pointer was flawed as a player. Great athlete, limited player.
Sanchez was vastly overrated, vastly.
Branch was a serviceable 6th man.
Greene was a good 2nd or third option on offense.
Obekpa was a shot blocker and little else.
When Harrison played at a very high level, we had a chance to win. Without him, we were lost."

Must you degrade ALL of Lavin's recruits? These were OUR players too not just his! Unlike HALF of Mullin’s players, those kids stood by their coach and a few even reached their senior year. ALL but Sheed went on to earn money playing pro ball somewhere. They, unlike Mullin’s players, tasted post season. Some if those kids were flawed but players like Sampson, Harrison, Pointer and Green played with 110% effort and energy. Knock Lav all you want as much of it was deserved, but don't use the players to vent your vitriol.
As for your last snarky remark "When Harrison played at a very high level, we had a chance to win. Without him, we were lost." I could easily replace Ponds in that sentence and it would describe the current team but you would likely take exception. For that matter, if there were no Ponds I doubt this team wins 8 games and zero Big East games.
 
Some if those kids were flawed but players like Sampson, Harrison, Pointer and Green played with 110% effort and energy.

+1 - four great young men who I thoroughly enjoyed rooting for and gave us nice moments as fans.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=273985]Some if those kids were flawed but players like Sampson, Harrison, Pointer and Green played with 110% effort and energy.

+1 - four great young men who I thoroughly enjoyed rooting for and gave us nice moments as fans.[/quote]

Harrison, Pointer and Greene are thought of positively now because they made the tournament their last season. And that was with help from two guys that probably don't inspire warm and cuddly thoughts. Besides Harrison was unfairly roasted on these boards for 2 years. A bit of revisionist history going on in regard to Lavin era.
If Ponds, Simon and Clark make tourney next year 5 years from now everyone will be waxing poetic about those guys and Mullin as they kill Will Brown.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=273986] . . . as they kill Will Brown.[/quote]

I like the guy and root for all Long Islanders . . . but man, talk about striking while the iron is cold.

The only way he should be here is if Mullin fires Richmond and St. Jean and he pays Will a lot of money to come home and be the experienced assistant that he should have had from the beginning. And even that, I prefer Rice.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=273986][quote="NCJohnnie" post=273985]Some if those kids were flawed but players like Sampson, Harrison, Pointer and Green played with 110% effort and energy.

+1 - four great young men who I thoroughly enjoyed rooting for and gave us nice moments as fans.[/quote]

Harrison, Pointer and Greene are thought of positively now because they made the tournament their last season. And that was with help from two guys that probably don't inspire warm and cuddly thoughts. Besides Harrison was unfairly roasted on these boards for 2 years. A bit of revisionist history going on in regard to Lavin era.
If Ponds, Simon and Clark make tourney next year 5 years from now everyone will be waxing poetic about those guys and Mullin as they kill Will Brown.[/quote]

Unlike you some of us appreciated the players before they went to the NCAA. As sophs and then as juniors they also went to the post season NIT which is ironic since that is the season that old kid Jack Williams thinks Lavin should have been fired.;)
If we want to compare apples and apples, those players, in Lavin's 4th year represented his first recruiting class as he had to replace practically the entire Roberts team, after year one. They lost their best recruit after year one to the NBA. Anyone remember that horrible player named Maurice Harkless. Ah, what if!
So, many will bitch and moan that Lavin should have done better with the talent he recruited. I agree. But that would also be admitting that in year three with his own players Lavin had recruited better talent which, by no coincidence, went to 3 post season tourneys - 2 NITs and his second NCAA while at St. John's. Forget the dramas. The record showed 3 straight winning seasons. Not what any of us expected because there was talent but certainly not the shit show we see now with a half dozen players leaving with most not being close to the caliber of players Lavin had or lost.
So, while Jack wanted Lav fired after year 4, most will be happy to give Mullin 4, 5 and even 6 years to become respectable again. That would be after the 8 to 12 MILLION $$ we paid him to learn how to coach, recruit and retain players and coaches. Sounds like a good deal to me! :whistle:
But seriously, we have to hope that Mullin does not lose Ponds or anyone else because we have much more serious retention issues than Lavin ever had with his core recruits. So, like Mullin or not, he must succeed and that can start tomorrow and continue next season because more losing may kill what little reputation we have left as a program.
 
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If every post you are going to make is to bash Mullin, then take it elsewhere please.
 
NCJohnnie wrote: Some if those kids were flawed but players like Sampson, Harrison, Pointer and Green played with 110% effort and energy.

+1 - four great young men who I thoroughly enjoyed rooting for and gave us nice moments as fans.

Harrison, Pointer and Greene are thought of positively now because they made the tournament their last season. And that was with help from two guys that probably don't inspire warm and cuddly thoughts. Besides Harrison was unfairly roasted on these boards for 2 years. A bit of revisionist history going on in regard to Lavin era.
If Ponds, Simon and Clark make tourney next year 5 years from now everyone will be waxing poetic about those guys and Mullin as they kill Will Brown.

Just to be clear, my post was not intended to be either pro-Lavin or pro-Mullin. It was simply agreement with the statement that those 4 kids from Lavin's teams, (in particular Harrison, Pointer & Green) were great representatives of SJU basketball and not just because they made the NCAA in year 4. In fact, I would expect to be making a similar statement about Ponds, Owens, Clark & Simon after they finish their careers here as the 4 of them also appear to be great kids and they have already given us 2 great moments. I rooted for Steve Lavin to succeed when he was coach; he did some good things while here, the most important one making us relevant again. Now that Chris is our coach, I am rooting very hard for him to succeed and looking forward to next year being the turning point for us.
 
[quote="OhioFan" post=274015]If every post you are going to make is to bash Mullin, then take it elsewhere please.[/quote]

WHERE would you recommend we take it other than a thread entitled "COACHES ON THE HOT SEAT - MULLIN NOTED" :whistle:

Strange time for you to voice an opinion here.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=274016]NCJohnnie wrote: Some if those kids were flawed but players like Sampson, Harrison, Pointer and Green played with 110% effort and energy.

+1 - four great young men who I thoroughly enjoyed rooting for and gave us nice moments as fans.

Harrison, Pointer and Greene are thought of positively now because they made the tournament their last season. And that was with help from two guys that probably don't inspire warm and cuddly thoughts. Besides Harrison was unfairly roasted on these boards for 2 years. A bit of revisionist history going on in regard to Lavin era.
If Ponds, Simon and Clark make tourney next year 5 years from now everyone will be waxing poetic about those guys and Mullin as they kill Will Brown.

Just to be clear, my post was not intended to be either pro-Lavin or pro-Mullin. It was simply agreement with the statement that those 4 kids from Lavin's teams, (in particular Harrison, Pointer & Green) were great representatives of SJU basketball and not just because they made the NCAA in year 4. In fact, I would expect to be making a similar statement about Ponds, Owens, Clark & Simon after they finish their careers here as the 4 of them also appear to be great kids and they have already given us 2 great moments. I rooted for Steve Lavin to succeed when he was coach; he did some good things while here, the most important one making us relevant again. Now that Chris is our coach, I am rooting very hard for him to succeed and looking forward to next year being the turning point for us.[/quote]

Very well said!
This about our players. No coach, past or present, is beyond criticism when the kids don't perform as well as they are capable given their talents.
We all rightfully gave Mullin a pass year one because he did not have the players.
Once a coach has his players, if they are talented and fail to cohesively play together, the highly paid staff is where beat writers, fans and employers look......not at an 18 year kid.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=274001][quote="we are sju" post=273986][quote="NCJohnnie" post=273985]Some if those kids were flawed but players like Sampson, Harrison, Pointer and Green played with 110% effort and energy.

+1 - four great young men who I thoroughly enjoyed rooting for and gave us nice moments as fans.[/quote]

Harrison, Pointer and Greene are thought of positively now because they made the tournament their last season. And that was with help from two guys that probably don't inspire warm and cuddly thoughts. Besides Harrison was unfairly roasted on these boards for 2 years. A bit of revisionist history going on in regard to Lavin era.
If Ponds, Simon and Clark make tourney next year 5 years from now everyone will be waxing poetic about those guys and Mullin as they kill Will Brown.[/quote]

Unlike you some of us appreciated the players before they went to the NCAA. As sophs and then as juniors they also went to the post season NIT which is ironic since that is the season that old kid Jack Williams thinks Lavin should have been fired.;)
If we want to compare apples and apples, those players, in Lavin's 4th year represented his first recruiting class as he had to replace practically the entire Roberts team, after year one. They lost their best recruit after year one to the NBA. Anyone remember that horrible player named Maurice Harkless. Ah, what if!
So, many will bitch and moan that Lavin should have done better with the talent he recruited. I agree. But that would also be admitting that in year three with his own players Lavin had recruited better talent which, by no coincidence, went to 3 post season tourneys - 2 NITs and his second NCAA while at St. John's. Forget the dramas. The record showed 3 straight winning seasons. Not what any of us expected because there was talent but certainly not the shit show we see now with a half dozen players leaving with most not being close to the caliber of players Lavin had or lost.
So, while Jack wanted Lav fired after year 4, most will be happy to give Mullin 4, 5 and even 6 years to become respectable again. That would be after the 8 to 12 MILLION $$ we paid him to learn how to coach, recruit and retain players and coaches. Sounds like a good deal to me! :whistle:
But seriously, we have to hope that Mullin does not lose Ponds or anyone else because we have much more serious retention issues than Lavin ever had with his core recruits. So, like Mullin or not, he must succeed and that can start tomorrow and continue next season because more losing may kill what little reputation we have left as a program.[/quote]

Didn't bash Lavin, he replaced Norm. I thought Lavin was a self promoting poser lunkhead. He replaced Norm so it was a huge improvement. By making the tournament I was fine with him getting an extension unless we brought in a better coach or Chris Mullin / Walter Berry. Criticism is one thing, some of you won't or can't post anything else. I hated Norm as a coach. I still managed to throw some other posts out there from time to time. If you don't believe me ask Fun to release the BEB archives I guess he owns. Seriously you can disagree with stuff but does every post have to be to fire the coach or Mullin sucks?
I think the games with Lovett and 5 of the last 6 we have shown enough that people can lay off and go into next year fresh. If we suck next year even I will admit something should be done. Now that something might be worse ....
 
[quote="we are sju" post=274046][quote="Class of 72" post=274001][quote="we are sju" post=273986][quote="NCJohnnie" post=273985]Some if those kids were flawed but players like Sampson, Harrison, Pointer and Green played with 110% effort and energy.

+1 - four great young men who I thoroughly enjoyed rooting for and gave us nice moments as fans.[/quote]

Harrison, Pointer and Greene are thought of positively now because they made the tournament their last season. And that was with help from two guys that probably don't inspire warm and cuddly thoughts. Besides Harrison was unfairly roasted on these boards for 2 years. A bit of revisionist history going on in regard to Lavin era.
If Ponds, Simon and Clark make tourney next year 5 years from now everyone will be waxing poetic about those guys and Mullin as they kill Will Brown.[/quote]

Unlike you some of us appreciated the players before they went to the NCAA. As sophs and then as juniors they also went to the post season NIT which is ironic since that is the season that old kid Jack Williams thinks Lavin should have been fired.;)
If we want to compare apples and apples, those players, in Lavin's 4th year represented his first recruiting class as he had to replace practically the entire Roberts team, after year one. They lost their best recruit after year one to the NBA. Anyone remember that horrible player named Maurice Harkless. Ah, what if!
So, many will bitch and moan that Lavin should have done better with the talent he recruited. I agree. But that would also be admitting that in year three with his own players Lavin had recruited better talent which, by no coincidence, went to 3 post season tourneys - 2 NITs and his second NCAA while at St. John's. Forget the dramas. The record showed 3 straight winning seasons. Not what any of us expected because there was talent but certainly not the shit show we see now with a half dozen players leaving with most not being close to the caliber of players Lavin had or lost.
So, while Jack wanted Lav fired after year 4, most will be happy to give Mullin 4, 5 and even 6 years to become respectable again. That would be after the 8 to 12 MILLION $$ we paid him to learn how to coach, recruit and retain players and coaches. Sounds like a good deal to me! :whistle:
But seriously, we have to hope that Mullin does not lose Ponds or anyone else because we have much more serious retention issues than Lavin ever had with his core recruits. So, like Mullin or not, he must succeed and that can start tomorrow and continue next season because more losing may kill what little reputation we have left as a program.[/quote]

Didn't bash Lavin, he replaced Norm. I thought Lavin was a self promoting poser lunkhead. He replaced Norm so it was a huge improvement. By making the tournament I was fine with him getting an extension unless we brought in a better coach or Chris Mullin / Walter Berry. Criticism is one thing, some of you won't or can't post anything else. I hated Norm as a coach. I still managed to throw some other posts out there from time to time. If you don't believe me ask Fun to release the BEB archives I guess he owns. Seriously you can disagree with stuff but does every post have to be to fire the coach or Mullin sucks?
I think the games with Lovett and 5 of the last 6 we have shown enough that people can lay off and go into next year fresh. If we suck next year even I will admit something should be done. Now that something might be worse ....[/quote]

Nobody is firing Chris Mullin! Not this year, not next year, I think when you lose your last 13 of 17 games not a program in America would not be calling out the coaching staff. Indirectly, when we compliment the players for playing hard and never giving up, that is a compliment to the staff.
What is amazingly hypocritical of certain fans here is that comments like "Lavin was a self promoting poser lunkhead" are acceptable and repeated ad nauseum three years after his departure yet anyone voicing support for him are branded and TOLD what to say or not to say.
You, of all people, are a frequent flyer on various forums and have run the gamut from love to hate. You have every right to your opinions as outlandish as some have been. I certainly have never criticized since I personally don't give a flying fck what people chose to say. It's your right as a fellow fan to have a different viewpoint. Many present and some former posters wouldn't waste their time here if they all repeated the same agreeable viewpoints. If someone chose to start this thread topic which names Mullin as a low performer I think fans were going to weigh in on one side or the other.
Just curious but what exactly did YOU expect to see discussed here??
In game threads, I find especially hypocritical that some thought police seem ok with criticizing the players but have a problem with bringing up the coaching strategy.
Finally, the most self promoting poser lunkhead was not Steve Lavin it was Mike Jarvis by a long mile.
Good night and hopefully at this time tomorrow we are complimenting the players and staff.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=274064][quote="we are sju" post=274046]Didn't bash Lavin, he replaced Norm. I thought Lavin was a self promoting poser lunkhead. He replaced Norm so it was a huge improvement. By making the tournament I was fine with him getting an extension unless we brought in a better coach or Chris Mullin / Walter Berry. Criticism is one thing, some of you won't or can't post anything else. I hated Norm as a coach. I still managed to throw some other posts out there from time to time. If you don't believe me ask Fun to release the BEB archives I guess he owns. Seriously you can disagree with stuff but does every post have to be to fire the coach or Mullin sucks?
I think the games with Lovett and 5 of the last 6 we have shown enough that people can lay off and go into next year fresh. If we suck next year even I will admit something should be done. Now that something might be worse ....[/quote]

Nobody is firing Chris Mullin! Not this year, not next year, I think when you lose your last 13 of 17 games not a program in America would not be calling out the coaching staff. Indirectly, when we compliment the players for playing hard and never giving up, that is a compliment to the staff.
What is amazingly hypocritical of certain fans here is that comments like "Lavin was a self promoting poser lunkhead" are acceptable and repeated ad nauseum three years after his departure yet anyone voicing support for him are branded and TOLD what to say or not to say.[/quote]

+1

To piggyback your last paragraph.... I said, as much during the latter part of Lavin's last season, there was a stench of hypocrisy and contradictions, along with real loathing (towards Lavin) being spewed on this board. It ramped up even more during Mullin's first two seasons and even this season. I'm well aware of those characters and their BS.

The thing is most of 'em aren't even hiding it, either. Their hypocritical and contradicting behavior are as transparent, as a glass window after a finishing touch of Windex. Comical! I'm sure they want follks to take 'em seriously, too. Please!

I gave a pass the first season, and somewhat (definitely, not totally) gave one last season. No passes given this season. Hopefully, we can win out the remainder of our regular season schedule, and garner one or, possibly, two wins in the conference tournament and find ourselves in the NIT. Maybe, we can revive our season once we're there. That would help with some folks who are a bit peeved about this season.

Let's start the revival tomorrow night at Butler's expense. Go Johnnies!
 
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I totally understand those who say that they won’t overly criticize the players but the paid staff is a different story, What I don’t get is the references to “highly paid”staff. If the staff is fair game to be criticized because they are paid, it should make no difference rather they are highly paid or paid at a lower scale. Nor should what they matter what they are paid if they got lazy and stopped recruiting (Lavin didn’t but Jarvis on the other hand did). The paid part being the important distinction.

Just a pet peeve.
 
Just because I gave Mullin a pass I don't expect everyone to. I understand criticism, it is warranted in most cases. My only issues were that it started too soon and the repetitive Fire Mullin / Mullin stinks which in fairness was more prevalent on the other board.
The only thing I would add is I thought we were on the right track until Lovett thing which I really feel ripped the team apart and caused this thing to go off the rails. I think If Lovett had stayed and played we would have had 3 or 4 more wins.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=274082]Just because I gave Mullin a pass I don't expect everyone to. I understand criticism, it is warranted in most cases. My only issues were that it started too soon and the repetitive Fire Mullin / Mullin stinks which in fairness was more prevalent on the other board.
The only thing I would add is I thought we were on the right track until Lovett thing which I really feel ripped the team apart and caused this thing to go off the rails. I think If Lovett had stayed and played we would have had 3 or 4 more wins.[/quote]

I agree WASJU,
Being a "what if" kind of guy unlike mon ami du nor (;), if LoVett stayed we likely have a couple of more wins. Not sure many more though. Everyone gave Mullin a pass in year one. Even last season most didn't expect an NCAA bid.
Then the defections and Zach Brown, and Sidney Wilson, and Slice, and finally Lovett this year are the reasons we are behind schedule. My retort to the Steve Lavin haters is that on year three you all are being hypocritical to keep bringing the man up in lame attempts to deflect from those non-Lavin occurrences.
I propose something radical! Instead of mods and fans trying to silence Mullin critics how about we start leaving Lavin, the coach that restored relevance to the progrsm, out of discussions?
This year is almost over and I agree some things were out of the hands of Mullin and his staff. Next year, with all his own recruits everyone will have a better idea of what Chris Mullin brought to the table.
We are all strong supporters of the team and if Matt Abdelmassih was the coach, God forbid, we all would still want to win every game.
I for one never wanted the most famous and iconic player in St. John's basketball history put in the position he is in. But what is done is done. The only place I have read about firing Mullin is on JJ which is polluted by Jungle Dave's friend Marco Baldi. Most here realize that Mullin will leave when he knows that it is time to leave. Even if he only makes the NIT next year he would not be fired.
That's the reality of the situation.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=273984]The great Beast wrote:
"Stacked?
Jakarr Sampson couldn't make a 5 foot wide open jumper for more than 1/2 a season.
Harrison played himself into being a Wooden finalist, got banged up, and was never the same
Rysheed Jordan was never, ever, ever, ever, a 5 star talent. To me he wasn't even 4 star.
Pointer was flawed as a player. Great athlete, limited player.
Sanchez was vastly overrated, vastly.
Branch was a serviceable 6th man.
Greene was a good 2nd or third option on offense.
Obekpa was a shot blocker and little else.
When Harrison played at a very high level, we had a chance to win. Without him, we were lost."

Must you degrade ALL of Lavin's recruits? These were OUR players too not just his! Unlike HALF of Mullin’s players, those kids stood by their coach and a few even reached their senior year. ALL but Sheed went on to earn money playing pro ball somewhere. They, unlike Mullin’s players, tasted post season. Some if those kids were flawed but players like Sampson, Harrison, Pointer and Green played with 110% effort and energy. Knock Lav all you want as much of it was deserved, but don't use the players to vent your vitriol.
As for your last snarky remark "When Harrison played at a very high level, we had a chance to win. Without him, we were lost." I could easily replace Ponds in that sentence and it would describe the current team but you would likely take exception. For that matter, if there were no Ponds I doubt this team wins 8 games and zero Big East games.[/quote]

I really think you are off your meds. Ponds is exactly the same as Harrison was to that team, except Ponds has to play at an insane level for us to beat a good team. Hardy played at an insane level, and when Brownlee broke his finger, the season was half done. When Kennedy went down so did all hope for a bounceback.

I loved Lavin's kids, and won't denigrate them personally, but that team (the final one) wasn't stacked, and also had a 6 man rotation. Once Obekpa went down, they didn't have a prayer in the NCAAs. You and the the rest who compare guys like Hurley who is winning in a mid major conference are so far off base. He may be a very good coach, but guaranteed he would get crapped on here if he didn't win. The Big East is solid top to bottom, and you need a good team to win. There aren't any easy wins, and every team that has played us has found that out.

I've spent almost the entire month of February travelling, and even in Europe college basketball fans heard of SJU and what we had done to Duke and Nova.

I have a friend with season tix for Missouri who beat us who commented that we have a pretty tough team.

The best week of my months of travels was when I went to JetBlue Park to watch the Sox play. I was wearing my SJU cap and a BC Golf shirt. Boston loves Boston College perhaps more than any school in Boston because Boston is heavily Catholic and BC embodies Boston. Ushers came up to me to chat about the Red bandana. Another told me BC and Northeastern played the game before and went on and on about how great Flutie was, who was at the game. One older guy saw my shirt and started singing out loud every word of the BC fight song. Funny, not even an utterance of how their marquee sports teams have struggled of late.

I sat next to a guy from Nebraska, who went there and commented on what a good team we have despite the losses. I asked him about Nebraska basketball, and he said I really follow Creigthon - my wife went there and Big East ball is great. I told him what great fans they have, and he commented that SJU is a team no one wants to face.

Then I read an article written by a Marquette fan after our game. He breathed a sigh of relief and was thankful that Ponds for one night at least "didn't play like the love child of Jesus and Godzilla". Even so he said, SJU is the only team in the Big East that actually plays defense.

So actually it was pretty great to be around real fans of their schools and knowledgeable basketball fans who know that St. John's, despite our record is very close to being a very good team.

For the record, and to __________, I supported Lavin to the end, and actually would have retained him. I was okay for the reasons he was let go, but also recognize that he had brought a team to the NCAAs twice in the 5 seasons he coached. Remember that NR was elated to make the NIT in year 6. Our program was just about at hopeless when Lavin took the job. However, I cannot rebut any of the criticisms about how hard he worked, because I simply don't know. Also however, the idiotic comments about which restaurants he frequented are frankly pure jealousy because he could afford it.

It really sucks to drink the Kool Aid, but actually grape isn't so bad.

[edited to eliminate personal insult]
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=274129][quote="we are sju" post=274082]Just because I gave Mullin a pass I don't expect everyone to. I understand criticism, it is warranted in most cases. My only issues were that it started too soon and the repetitive Fire Mullin / Mullin stinks which in fairness was more prevalent on the other board.
The only thing I would add is I thought we were on the right track until Lovett thing which I really feel ripped the team apart and caused this thing to go off the rails. I think If Lovett had stayed and played we would have had 3 or 4 more wins.[/quote]

I agree WASJU,
Being a "what if" kind of guy unlike mon ami du nord (;), if LoVett stayed we likely have a couple of more wins. Not sure many more though. Everyone gave Mullin a pass in year one. Even last season most didn't expect an NCAA bid.
Then the defections and Zach Brown, and Sidney Wilson, and Slice, and finally Lovett this year are the reasons we are behind schedule. My retort to the Steve Lavin haters is that on year three you all are being hypocritical to keep bringing the man up in lame attempts to deflect from those non-Lavin occurrences.
I propose something radical! Instead of mods and fans trying to silence Mullin critics how about we start leaving Lavin, the coach that restored relevance to the progrsm, out of discussions?
This year is almost over and I agree some things were out of the hands of Mullin and his staff. Next year, with all his own recruits everyone will have a better idea of what Chris Mullin brought to the table.
We are all strong supporters of the team and if Matt Abdelmassih was the coach, God forbid, we all would still want to win every game.
I for one never wanted the most famous and iconic player in St. John's basketball history put in the position he is in. But what is done is done. The only place I have read about firing Mullin is on JJ which is polluted by Jungle Dave's friend Marco Baldi. Most here realize that Mullin will leave when he knows that it is time to leave. Even if he only makes the NIT next year he would not be fired.
That's the reality of the situation.[/quote]
 
Beastie Boy wrote:
"I loved Lavin's kids, and won't denigrate them personally."

BUT, he wrote:
Jakarr Sampson couldn't make a 5 foot wide open jumper
Harrison .... got banged up, and was never the same
Rysheed Jordan was never, ever, ever, ever, a 5 star talent. To me he wasn't even 4 star.
Pointer was flawed as a player. Great athlete, limited player.
Sanchez was vastly overrated, vastly.
Branch was a serviceable 6th man.
Greene was a good 2nd or third option on offense.
Obekpa was a shot blocker and little else.

I'm not sure who needs the meds, you or me, but it may help if you re-read your own BS before responding.
As for the dementia comment, your overly verbose elderly abusive remarks may one day bite you on the ass.;)
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=274129][quote="we are sju" post=274082]Just because I gave Mullin a pass I don't expect everyone to. I understand criticism, it is warranted in most cases. My only issues were that it started too soon and the repetitive Fire Mullin / Mullin stinks which in fairness was more prevalent on the other board.
The only thing I would add is I thought we were on the right track until Lovett thing which I really feel ripped the team apart and caused this thing to go off the rails. I think If Lovett had stayed and played we would have had 3 or 4 more wins.[/quote]

I agree WASJU,
Being a "what if" kind of guy unlike mon ami du nor (;), if LoVett stayed we likely have a couple of more wins. Not sure many more though. Everyone gave Mullin a pass in year one. Even last season most didn't expect an NCAA bid.
Then the defections and Zach Brown, and Sidney Wilson, and Slice, and finally Lovett this year are the reasons we are behind schedule. My retort to the Steve Lavin haters is that on year three you all are being hypocritical to keep bringing the man up in lame attempts to deflect from those non-Lavin occurrences.
I propose something radical! Instead of mods and fans trying to silence Mullin critics how about we start leaving Lavin, the coach that restored relevance to the progrsm, out of discussions?
This year is almost over and I agree some things were out of the hands of Mullin and his staff. Next year, with all his own recruits everyone will have a better idea of what Chris Mullin brought to the table.
We are all strong supporters of the team and if Matt Abdelmassih was the coach, God forbid, we all would still want to win every game.
I for one never wanted the most famous and iconic player in St. John's basketball history put in the position he is in. But what is done is done. The only place I have read about firing Mullin is on JJ which is polluted by Jungle Dave's friend Marco Baldi. Most here realize that Mullin will leave when he knows that it is time to leave. Even if he only makes the NIT next year he would not be fired.
That's the reality of the situation.[/quote]

Not sure why everyone brings up former coaches every time. Other than Norm they all brought some good and mostly bad to the table. It started with everyone blaming Jarvis for Norm incompetence and it has just continued.
 
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