Zags Article : coaches on hot seat - Mullin noted

[quote="redmannorth" post=273242][quote="newsman13" post=273239]Geez...one loss to a good team on the road and he's back on the hot seat?[/quote]

Only in the minds of our delusional fan base who yearn for the glory years when we played one game in the tournament and got destroyed. Had players who did not play due to repeated drug use, had attempted murderers on the team who had checked out of class and a buffoon who left Coach Mullin AA, Felix and Christian Jones and zero recruits. Oh how I yearn for those days. I would much rather we have our staff picking up transcripts in deserted parking lots late at night and watch them dine on Instagram at every trendy restaurant in SOHO then fly to Louisiana and actually get a commit from a 3/4 star recruit.
Oh how I remember the good old days.
I have no desire to watch the MAAC freshman of the year step into Lovett’s shoes. I have no desire to watch 6 9 4* recruit Keita step into Bashir’s shoes.After all our recent transfers Owens, Simon and Clark have not improved one iota. I have no desire to watch 4* Greg Williams or 3* rising 6 10 Robert’s.[/quote]

North, I agree we are delusional but not for the same reasons you suggest.;)
Yes, we long to play that one game in the tournament even though we lost once there. The point is were good enough to MAKE the tournament. We are not now. We, St.John's, made the post season every year that guy you call a buffoon coached. I respect most of our past players because most came from shithole neighborhoods that most here would be afraid to visit after dark. Jordan did not murder anyone when he played for us but he was a very troubled young man who never mentally left his ghetto and physically returned there too often.
I'm not sure what the last staff could have done with Marijuana use by a fine shot blocking center. Most people barely consider it a drug anymore and it is certainly less lethal than alcohol that plagues college campuses these days. Chris is playing pro ball overseas so hopefully this kid has matured.There was plenty of pot smoking by Lou Carnesecca players. Even on our best teams, Chris Mullin was a budding alcoholic and Walter "the Truth" Berry and his posse were infamous weed tokers.
Tony Chiles who I respected as a recruiter did not leave Mullin with zero recruits. Mullin and staff had to re-recruit them. They got LoVett and Yakwe through their contact with the previous staff. Mussini was visited by Lavin in Italy. Brandon Sampson decommitted as you know. Mullin released two other guards (from Philly and AZ) because they thought they could do better. They didn't.
I don't know whether Simon or Clark improved radically as they were highly recruited players out of high school and sat last year. Yes, they are good players but they are not game changers. Fun calls Justin Simon dumb. I think he tries to be as slick as Slick but he is clearly not.
Finally, speaking of Slick, until this staff signs another pure talent like Shamorie Ponds it will be an uphill battle to reach the talent level that annually migrates to Nova and Xavier.
Oh, and Lavin lived in the west village a short walk from SOHO. We New Yorkers found that perfectly normal for a guy with a multi-million dollar salary.;)
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=273272][quote="redmannorth" post=273242][quote="newsman13" post=273239]Geez...one loss to a good team on the road and he's back on the hot seat?[/quote]

Only in the minds of our delusional fan base who yearn for the glory years when we played one game in the tournament and got destroyed. Had players who did not play due to repeated drug use, had attempted murderers on the team who had checked out of class and a buffoon who left Coach Mullin AA, Felix and Christian Jones and zero recruits. Oh how I yearn for those days. I would much rather we have our staff picking up transcripts in deserted parking lots late at night and watch them dine on Instagram at every trendy restaurant in SOHO then fly to Louisiana and actually get a commit from a 3/4 star recruit.
Oh how I remember the good old days.
I have no desire to watch the MAAC freshman of the year step into Lovett’s shoes. I have no desire to watch 6 9 4* recruit Keita step into Bashir’s shoes.After all our recent transfers Owens, Simon and Clark have not improved one iota. I have no desire to watch 4* Greg Williams or 3* rising 6 10 Robert’s.[/quote]

North, I agree we are delusional but not for the same reasons you suggest.;)
Yes, we long to play that one game in the tournament even though we lost once there. The point is were good enough to MAKE the tournament. We are not now. We, St.John's, made the post season every year that guy you call a buffoon coached. I respect most of our past players because most came from shithole neighborhoods that most here would be afraid to visit after dark. Jordan did not murder anyone when he played for us but he was a very troubled young man who never mentally left his ghetto and physically returned there too often.
I'm not sure what the last staff could have done with Marijuana use by a fine shot blocking center. Most people barely consider it a drug anymore and it is certainly less lethal than alcohol that plagues college campuses these days. Chris is playing pro ball overseas so hopefully this kid has matured.There was plenty of pot smoking by Lou Carnesecca players. Even on our best teams, Chris Mullin was a budding alcoholic and Walter "the Truth" Berry and his posse were infamous weed tokers.
Tony Chiles who I respected as a recruiter did not leave Mullin with zero recruits. Mullin and staff had to re-recruit them. They got LoVett and Yakwe through their contact with the previous staff. Mussini was visited by Lavin in Italy. Brandon Sampson decommitted as you know. Mullin released two other guards (from Philly and AZ) because they thought they could do better. They didn't.
I don't know whether Simon or Clark improved radically as they were highly recruited players out of high school and sat last year. Yes, they are good players but they are not game changers. Fun calls Justin Simon dumb. I think he tries to be as slick as Slick but he is clearly not.
Finally, speaking of Slick, until this staff signs another pure talent like Shamorie Ponds it will be an uphill battle to reach the talent level that annually migrates to Nova and Xavier.
Oh, and Lavin lived in the west village a short walk from SOHO. We New Yorkers found that perfectly normal for a guy with a multi-million dollar salary.;)[/quote]

Jordan hasn’t murdered anyone (that we know of), he is in jail for attempted murder. Former one year walk-on Donaldson is the one charged with multiple murders.

Samir Doughty (the Philly kid who did sign an LOI and then was released) sat out his first year a VCU as a partial qualifier, played a year as a part time starter and then transferred to Auburn where he is currently sitting out. Because he had to sit out his freshman year as a partial qualifier by transferring he actually loses a year of eligibility.

Sammy Barnes-Thompkins (Arizona kid who gave a verbal) played one year at BC where he was a key reserve and then transferred to a Juco and played as a starter. I don’t know his current whereabouts.
 
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[quote="redmannorth" post=273242][quote="newsman13" post=273239]Geez...one loss to a good team on the road and he's back on the hot seat?[/quote]

Only in the minds of our delusional fan base who yearn for the glory years when we played one game in the tournament and got destroyed. Had players who did not play due to repeated drug use, had attempted murderers on the team who had checked out of class and a buffoon who left Coach Mullin AA, Felix and Christian Jones and zero recruits. Oh how I yearn for those days. I would much rather we have our staff picking up transcripts in deserted parking lots late at night and watch them dine on Instagram at every trendy restaurant in SOHO then fly to Louisiana and actually get a commit from a 3/4 star recruit.
Oh how I remember the good old days.
I have no desire to watch the MAAC freshman of the year step into Lovett’s shoes. I have no desire to watch 6 9 4* recruit Keita step into Bashir’s shoes.After all our recent transfers Owens, Simon and Clark have not improved one iota. I have no desire to watch 4* Greg Williams or 3* rising 6 10 Robert’s.[/quote]

Mostly because many of “our delusional fan base” (well said) couldn’t pick out a basketball in a bin of apples. For those that do understand the game and the reality of what Mullin and company inherited I don’t mean you. And especially pertinent today with the “payola” news, those with common sense and some street smarts, think about why Rohressen struck out with some (especially one) blue chipper(s) here he thought were “in the bag” (pun intended) and why he left so abruptly. Mullin has made mistakes, no doubt, and IMO thinking Rohressen could (or would) recruit without a boatload of money has been his biggest. For those of you who bought that Rohressen was brought here to coach, don’t bother burning the brain cells.
 
[quote="Logen" post=273414][quote="redmannorth" post=273242][quote="newsman13" post=273239]Geez...one loss to a good team on the road and he's back on the hot seat?[/quote]

Only in the minds of our delusional fan base who yearn for the glory years when we played one game in the tournament and got destroyed. Had players who did not play due to repeated drug use, had attempted murderers on the team who had checked out of class and a buffoon who left Coach Mullin AA, Felix and Christian Jones and zero recruits. Oh how I yearn for those days. I would much rather we have our staff picking up transcripts in deserted parking lots late at night and watch them dine on Instagram at every trendy restaurant in SOHO then fly to Louisiana and actually get a commit from a 3/4 star recruit.
Oh how I remember the good old days.
I have no desire to watch the MAAC freshman of the year step into Lovett’s shoes. I have no desire to watch 6 9 4* recruit Keita step into Bashir’s shoes.After all our recent transfers Owens, Simon and Clark have not improved one iota. I have no desire to watch 4* Greg Williams or 3* rising 6 10 Robert’s.[/quote]

Mostly because many of “our delusional fan base” (well said) couldn’t pick out a basketball in a bin of apples. For those that do understand the game and the reality of what Mullin and company inherited I don’t mean you. And especially pertinent today with the “payola” news, those with common sense and some street smarts, think about why Rohressen struck out with some (especially one) blue chipper(s) here he thought were “in the bag” (pun intended) and why he left so abruptly. Mullin has made mistakes, no doubt, and IMO thinking Rohressen could (or would) recruit without a boatload of money has been his biggest. For those of you who bought that Rohressen was brought here to coach, don’t bother burning the brain cells.[/quote]

I am trying to digest the innuendos and incomplete sentences but I'm having a difficult time with the following :
"Mullin has made mistakes, no doubt, and IMO thinking Rohressen could (or would) recruit without a boatload of money has been his biggest".
Slice brought in the only "serviceable" player on Mullin’s first team, Durand Johnson. You seem to be implying that the 5 star players Mullin had him recruit went elsewhere because Mullin didn't give him a blank check to "buy" the players. To imply Slice could only buy players shows your utter lack of knowledge about the situation . You seem to excuse our knucklehead coach for hiring him as his "associate head coach" at a head coach's salary as some kind of oversight. That Slice is still on payroll clearly points to the complexity of the issue.
Redmannorth wants to see only positives with the current staff, regardless of the mediocre results thus far. That is his prerogative as a fan. After 3 seasons some of us are withholding a long term endorsement until we actually return to the good old days of being in the conversation for a post season invitation whether we win or lose that first game. It is truly ironic that the real delusional fans are still using FOUR actual post season appearances as a negative comparison to the current shit show of losing seasons and last place finishes. Hate Lavin all you want but if the best you can do is complain he didn't go deeper into post season in comparison to finishing last and being out of consideration as we are now all I can assume is that Kool Aid was seriously spiked.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=273434][quote="Logen" post=273414][quote="redmannorth" post=273242][quote="newsman13" post=273239]Geez...one loss to a good team on the road and he's back on the hot seat?[/quote]

Only in the minds of our delusional fan base who yearn for the glory years when we played one game in the tournament and got destroyed. Had players who did not play due to repeated drug use, had attempted murderers on the team who had checked out of class and a buffoon who left Coach Mullin AA, Felix and Christian Jones and zero recruits. Oh how I yearn for those days. I would much rather we have our staff picking up transcripts in deserted parking lots late at night and watch them dine on Instagram at every trendy restaurant in SOHO then fly to Louisiana and actually get a commit from a 3/4 star recruit.
Oh how I remember the good old days.
I have no desire to watch the MAAC freshman of the year step into Lovett’s shoes. I have no desire to watch 6 9 4* recruit Keita step into Bashir’s shoes.After all our recent transfers Owens, Simon and Clark have not improved one iota. I have no desire to watch 4* Greg Williams or 3* rising 6 10 Robert’s.[/quote]

Mostly because many of “our delusional fan base” (well said) couldn’t pick out a basketball in a bin of apples. For those that do understand the game and the reality of what Mullin and company inherited I don’t mean you. And especially pertinent today with the “payola” news, those with common sense and some street smarts, think about why Rohressen struck out with some (especially one) blue chipper(s) here he thought were “in the bag” (pun intended) and why he left so abruptly. Mullin has made mistakes, no doubt, and IMO thinking Rohressen could (or would) recruit without a boatload of money has been his biggest. For those of you who bought that Rohressen was brought here to coach, don’t bother burning the brain cells.[/quote]

I am trying to digest the innuendos and incomplete sentences but I'm having a difficult time with the following :
"Mullin has made mistakes, no doubt, and IMO thinking Rohressen could (or would) recruit without a boatload of money has been his biggest".
Slice brought in the only "serviceable" player on Mullin’s first team, Durand Johnson. You seem to be implying that the 5 star players Mullin had him recruit went elsewhere because Mullin didn't give him a blank check to "buy" the players. To imply Slice could only buy players shows your utter lack of knowledge about the situation . You seem to excuse our knucklehead coach for hiring him as his "associate head coach" at a head coach's salary as some kind of oversight. That Slice is still on payroll clearly points to the complexity of the issue.
Redmannorth wants to see only positives with the current staff, regardless of the mediocre results thus far. That is his prerogative as a fan. After 3 seasons some of us are withholding a long term endorsement until we actually return to the good old days of being in the conversation for a post season invitation whether we win or lose that first game. It is truly ironic that the real delusional fans are still using FOUR actual post season appearances as a negative comparison to the current shit show of losing seasons and last place finishes. Hate Lavin all you want but if the best you can do is complain he didn't go deeper into post season in comparison to finishing last and being out of consideration as we are now all I can assume is that Kool Aid was seriously spiked.[/quote]

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Zagoria is a hack. Who regurgitates other beat writers articles.

If you go by optics you would think he would be sweating, most coaches would. The wins against Nova & Duke took any heat off him. Truthfully the only heat on him was on message boards and twitter trolls, and a few National beat writers who watched a handful of minutes of St. John’s games.

In a recent interview in Seth Davis’s podcast, Davis asked him “did you think it was gonna be this difficult?” Mullin “yes” follow up question “how long of a process would it be?” Chris “3-4 years”.
I’m sure this time line was sold to the President & who ever else had to do with his hiring.

I have a relationships (thru work) with major donors, they told me he isn’t going anywhere & there could actually be an extension.

FWIW I’ve been critical of him, and have stated I think this season has been a disappointment.
 
"The Red Storm have responded to an 0-11 start in Big East play with a four-game winning streak. Is this a good look for Mullin in that he’s starting to figure it out or could it be viewed as just the opposite, with wins against Duke and Villanova endorsing St. John’s talent level, therefore justifying that the third-year coach failed to get the most of his team for the initial three months of the season?"

Last sentence emphasis mine. I think it is crystal clear by now that there is absolutely no reason for us to have gone 0-11 with the talent we have and that is on the coaching.

I also don't buy the "short bench has tired them out" excuse--we are hardly the only team that plays a short bench and these are 19, 20, 21 year old kids we're talking about. We had a week off going into the Marquette game. We lost because we had no answer to their zone.


Let us hope that Mullin et al have finally turned a corner, because I realize that Mullin is going nowhere.
 
[quote="Danny Noonan" post=273488]Zagoria is a hack. Who regurgitates other beat writers articles.

If you go by optics you would think he would be sweating, most coaches would. The wins against Nova & Duke took any heat off him. Truthfully the only heat on him was on message boards and twitter trolls, and a few National beat writers who watched a handful of minutes of St. John’s games.

In a recent interview in Seth Davis’s podcast, Davis asked him “did you think it was gonna be this difficult?” Mullin “yes” follow up question “how long of a process would it be?” Chris “3-4 years”.
I’m sure this time line was sold to the President & who ever else had to do with his hiring.

I have a relationships (thru work) with major donors, they told me he isn’t going anywhere & there could actually be an extension.

FWIW I’ve been critical of him, and have stated I think this season has been a disappointment.[/quote] I don’t think there should be talk of firing Mullin at this time. That said, talk of an extension at this time is also ridiculous.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=273652][quote="Danny Noonan" post=273488]Zagoria is a hack. Who regurgitates other beat writers articles.

If you go by optics you would think he would be sweating, most coaches would. The wins against Nova & Duke took any heat off him. Truthfully the only heat on him was on message boards and twitter trolls, and a few National beat writers who watched a handful of minutes of St. John’s games.

In a recent interview in Seth Davis’s podcast, Davis asked him “did you think it was gonna be this difficult?” Mullin “yes” follow up question “how long of a process would it be?” Chris “3-4 years”.
I’m sure this time line was sold to the President & who ever else had to do with his hiring.

I have a relationships (thru work) with major donors, they told me he isn’t going anywhere & there could actually be an extension.

FWIW I’ve been critical of him, and have stated I think this season has been a disappointment.[/quote] I don’t think there should be talk of firing Mullin at this time. That said, talk of an extension at this time is also ridiculous.[/quote]
If he has less than 4 years left on his contract an extension with a favorable by-out clause would be reasonable to help with recruiting.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=273656][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=273652][quote="Danny Noonan" post=273488]Zagoria is a hack. Who regurgitates other beat writers articles.

If you go by optics you would think he would be sweating, most coaches would. The wins against Nova & Duke took any heat off him. Truthfully the only heat on him was on message boards and twitter trolls, and a few National beat writers who watched a handful of minutes of St. John’s games.

In a recent interview in Seth Davis’s podcast, Davis asked him “did you think it was gonna be this difficult?” Mullin “yes” follow up question “how long of a process would it be?” Chris “3-4 years”.
I’m sure this time line was sold to the President & who ever else had to do with his hiring.

I have a relationships (thru work) with major donors, they told me he isn’t going anywhere & there could actually be an extension.

FWIW I’ve been critical of him, and have stated I think this season has been a disappointment.[/quote] I don’t think there should be talk of firing Mullin at this time. That said, talk of an extension at this time is also ridiculous.[/quote]
If he has less than 4 years left on his contract an extension with a favorable by-out clause would be reasonable to help with recruiting.[/quote]

Favorable buy-out clause? More favorable than the Slice buy-out?:(
He is going on three straight losing seasons (all Lavin's fault). His timetable is 3-4 years to be relevant. I think it would be prudent to wait until the end of his 4th year. So far the only buy out I envision is buying him out after his 4th year if we fail to make the post season or worse, have a 4th consecutive losing season. Even Norm Roberts never reached that nadir in coaching. Also, with a record number of players leaving his program, let's see who actually is on the roster next season and if we can sign ANY local talent worth starting in the Big East.
There are a lot ifs surrounding Mullin to make a contract extension even part of the discussion.
 
I think most of the fan base /Posters have overrated the Talent level of the 5 Starters . Owens is not powerful enough to hold his own against any of the other BE teams Centers . It severely limits any inside offense . Ahmed is streaky , can’t shoot foul shots and misses way too many bunnies . Like today , was it Gus or Marshall who said on one of Ahmed’s drives, “Million Dollar Move and 10 Cent Shot .” It’s quite accurate . Simon is a nice player who can’t shoot a lick . He showed that again today with 8 points . For us to win , Simon has to score 12-15 points or more , every game . His usual floor game was sloppy today too . Clark has a great game but, why the Ball never touched him in OT is a question for the Coaches to answer . Ponds shooting was off , no 3’s made . He also let Carrington outplay him . All day . Not good . Delgado is not a good foul shooter , I don’t understand why Mullin didn’t at least get Ali and Yakwe to foul him every time he touched the ball , when Owens or Clark were out getting a brief rest . Ali and Yakwe didn’t play and haven’t for the last set of games . I thought we were nonchalant all game with no urgency or fire in any of our Players . Our OT performance was terrible .
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=273668]I think most of the fan base /Posters have overrated the Talent level of the 5 Starters . Owens is not powerful enough to hold his own against any of the other BE teams Centers . It severely limits any inside offense . Ahmed is streaky , can’t shoot foul shots and misses way too many bunnies . Like today , was it Gus or Marshall who said on one of Ahmed’s drives, “Million Dollar Move and 10 Cent Shot .” It’s quite accurate . Simon is a nice player who can’t shoot a lick . He showed that again today with 8 points . For us to win , Simon has to score 12-15 points or more , every game . His usual floor game was sloppy today too . Clark has a great game but, why the Ball never touched him in OT is a question for the Coaches to answer . Ponds shooting was off , no 3’s made . He also let Carrington outplay him . All day . Not good . Delgado is not a good foul shooter , I don’t understand why Mullin didn’t at least get Ali and Yakwe to foul him every time he touched the ball , when Owens or Clark were out getting a brief rest . Ali and Yakwe didn’t play and haven’t for the last set of games . I thought we were nonchalant all game with no urgency or fire in any of our Players . Our OT performance was terrible .[/quote]

After two games, they are about one basket away from sweeping the third place team in the league. They can't be that terrible. If so, Seton Hall must be playing over their heads this season.
 
Our record is our record. We are talented enough to play anyone close and occasionally beat a really good team, but not deep and talented enough to do it with any consistency. It is on the staff to bring in a squad next year that is deep and talented enough to be in the top half of the BE. I love Chris & am rooting for his success, but it is time to produce next year. And that will not happen w/o one more significant addition to what we have coming in for 2018-2019.
 
I realize this is pretty polarizing, so I'll try to be fair. I think we all love Mullin for all he has done for the program. That goes without saying. However, as a coach I think it would be wise to look at numbers and not let our emotions/fond memories of him playing cloud reality. I'm too young to have watched him play, so I don't have as strong an emotional connection as others on here.

That being said, if we do not make the NCAA Tournament next year, I think we're in big trouble. I know some will say he came in and started from ground zero which is true...I get that believe me...but this is a results-oriented business, not an emotional one (at least when making decisions). I was ecstatic when we beat Duke and Nova en route to a 4 game winning streak. I thought we may have finally turned a corner. Then we had the Marquette game, which while tough on the road was missing their best player. I was expecting a win there. Then I heard before going to the SHU game that Rodriguez, one of their best players was not going to play. Plus it was at home for us...though we dropped the contest and looked eerily similar to how we did before the 4 game winning streak when we lost 11 straight.

I'm really not sure Mullin is going to be the answer. I badly want him to be, but there really is no excuse for our record. I hope that we bring in an experienced X's and O's guy who can also help develop players. If Mullin can't take this team to the tournament next year with all we have coming back (likely) including Ponds, a potential POY candidate in year 4, then I have a hard time believing Mullin will ever be the answer. Let's hope next year we make a huge comeback...it's especially doable because the Big East will be much weaker especially Seton Hall. Just my thoughts.
 
[quote="OLV72" post=273670][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=273668]I think most of the fan base /Posters have overrated the Talent level of the 5 Starters . Owens is not powerful enough to hold his own against any of the other BE teams Centers . It severely limits any inside offense . Ahmed is streaky , can’t shoot foul shots and misses way too many bunnies . Like today , was it Gus or Marshall who said on one of Ahmed’s drives, “Million Dollar Move and 10 Cent Shot .” It’s quite accurate . Simon is a nice player who can’t shoot a lick . He showed that again today with 8 points . For us to win , Simon has to score 12-15 points or more , every game . His usual floor game was sloppy today too . Clark has a great game but, why the Ball never touched him in OT is a question for the Coaches to answer . Ponds shooting was off , no 3’s made . He also let Carrington outplay him . All day . Not good . Delgado is not a good foul shooter , I don’t understand why Mullin didn’t at least get Ali and Yakwe to foul him every time he touched the ball , when Owens or Clark were out getting a brief rest . Ali and Yakwe didn’t play and haven’t for the last set of games . I thought we were nonchalant all game with no urgency or fire in any of our Players . Our OT performance was terrible .[/quote]

After two games, they are about one basket away from sweeping the third place team in the league. They can't be that terrible. If so, Seton Hall must be playing over their heads this season.[/quote]
Respect what you are saying but SJU has lost 13 of last 17 games. Hard to keep rationalizing that. That said, LoVet screwed us making a short roster impractical. Looking forward to next season with more players.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=273677][quote="OLV72" post=273670][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=273668]I think most of the fan base /Posters have overrated the Talent level of the 5 Starters . Owens is not powerful enough to hold his own against any of the other BE teams Centers . It severely limits any inside offense . Ahmed is streaky , can’t shoot foul shots and misses way too many bunnies . Like today , was it Gus or Marshall who said on one of Ahmed’s drives, “Million Dollar Move and 10 Cent Shot .” It’s quite accurate . Simon is a nice player who can’t shoot a lick . He showed that again today with 8 points . For us to win , Simon has to score 12-15 points or more , every game . His usual floor game was sloppy today too . Clark has a great game but, why the Ball never touched him in OT is a question for the Coaches to answer . Ponds shooting was off , no 3’s made . He also let Carrington outplay him . All day . Not good . Delgado is not a good foul shooter , I don’t understand why Mullin didn’t at least get Ali and Yakwe to foul him every time he touched the ball , when Owens or Clark were out getting a brief rest . Ali and Yakwe didn’t play and haven’t for the last set of games . I thought we were nonchalant all game with no urgency or fire in any of our Players . Our OT performance was terrible .[/quote]

After two games, they are about one basket away from sweeping the third place team in the league. They can't be that terrible. If so, Seton Hall must be playing over their heads this season.[/quote]
Respect what you are saying but SJU has lost 13 of last 17 games. Hard to keep rationalizing that. That said, LoVet screwed us making a short roster impractical. Looking forward to next season with more players.[/quote]

Agreed. Crazy season without enough bodies and losing one key one.

And it's not over yet.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=273677][quote="OLV72" post=273670][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=273668]I think most of the fan base /Posters have overrated the Talent level of the 5 Starters . Owens is not powerful enough to hold his own against any of the other BE teams Centers . It severely limits any inside offense . Ahmed is streaky , can’t shoot foul shots and misses way too many bunnies . Like today , was it Gus or Marshall who said on one of Ahmed’s drives, “Million Dollar Move and 10 Cent Shot .” It’s quite accurate . Simon is a nice player who can’t shoot a lick . He showed that again today with 8 points . For us to win , Simon has to score 12-15 points or more , every game . His usual floor game was sloppy today too . Clark has a great game but, why the Ball never touched him in OT is a question for the Coaches to answer . Ponds shooting was off , no 3’s made . He also let Carrington outplay him . All day . Not good . Delgado is not a good foul shooter , I don’t understand why Mullin didn’t at least get Ali and Yakwe to foul him every time he touched the ball , when Owens or Clark were out getting a brief rest . Ali and Yakwe didn’t play and haven’t for the last set of games . I thought we were nonchalant all game with no urgency or fire in any of our Players . Our OT performance was terrible .[/quote]

After two games, they are about one basket away from sweeping the third place team in the league. They can't be that terrible. If so, Seton Hall must be playing over their heads this season.[/quote]
Respect what you are saying but SJU has lost 13 of last 17 games. Hard to keep rationalizing that. That said, LoVet screwed us making a short roster impractical. Looking forward to next season with more players.[/quote]

Yet, rationalizing is exactly what some "delusional" fans are eager to do for the sake of our Teflon coach.
That after 3 seasons they need to go back to the Lavin era for rationalization is the height of hypocrisy. Under Lavin they imply we had a really hot chick but she never went all the way or not far enough but they are now miraculously satisfied with a fat ugly chick who won't even get you to first base. To make the argument more insane, they blame the hot chick who moved to Hollywood 3 years ago.
Now you know I respect your basketball wisdom more than any other poster here Paultzman but just having more players may not be the magic bullet. I'll say it one more time, Brooks is Mullin's Briscoe and if Ponds leaves, whether he is ready or not, Mullin will not have the talent level to mask his coaching weaknesses. He needs 3 Ponds level talents to be a winning coach and the recruiting is just not delivering that talent. The fall back is Lavinesque with Marcellus. They need to show they can stay in the headlines in NYC if Shamorie leaves and I see bench players coming on board but not one impact player to catapult us out of the cellar where seem to be happy if you read the comments from some of the "delusional" fans on this site. They are more satisfied finishing last with no post season hope than losing in the first round of the Dance.:whistle:
 
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The whole season went down with Lovett. NOt because he was some super player but because with him and Ponds we would have had the best back court in the BE if not the Country. I also think Ali and Yawkee should get at least 2 minutes a game each. Mullin has to be thinking ab out the BE tournament and there is no way he can go far playing every day with only 6 players. They will be exhausted
 
[quote="dee" post=273687]The whole season went down with Lovett. NOt because he was some super player but because with him and Ponds we would have had the best back court in the BE if not the Country. I also think Ali and Yawkee should get at least 2 minutes a game each. Mullin has to be thinking ab out the BE tournament and there is no way he can go far playing every day with only 6 players. They will be exhausted[/quote]

Mullin is a very "touchy" guy. He no longer has any use for Amar Alibegovic, even for 2 minutes. Yakwe must have asked for some playing time which rubbed Mullin the wrong way. Neither player would the difference between a win or a loss but Mullin seems content in his contempt to exhaust his starters so that are next to useless in the final minutes.
 
Honestly I think these have become excuses...obviously having no depth doesn't help and the same goes for LoVett leaving. But LoVett was not Curry 2.0. Even with LoVett, I bet we would have a pretty bad conference record due to poor coaching/development. Having more warm bodies won't cover up coaching deficiencies. Again, I want Mullin to be the answer as much as anyone, but currently I just don't see it after the last 2 games. If we truly turned a corner, we probably win these last 2 IMO. I think the only real chance that Mullin can be the answer long-term is if we bring in a great assistant coach for next year and we get some solid bigs to help fill the void Brooks left. You are what your record says you are and we need to be able to separate our hearts from the hard facts of being dead last in the standings. Even without LoVett or a bench, this should easily be an NIT team with an average coach IMO.
 
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