Zach article/Our soft OOC schedule
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MakingPlays
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I'm not sure the NET rankings in previous year's in the Big East, but this has to be one of the better year's by far. If the NET rankings end up being pretty close to KenPom's rankings which they usually are. As of right now we have at least 11 Quad 1 games remaining on the schedule. There are 8 teams (7 outside of St. John's that are top 75 KenPom teams), with 3 in the top 30.
That's plenty of opportunities to get quality wins, and that's not including the Big East tournament, where you could add another 1-3 Q1/Q2 games. If things hold up in the non-conference and other BE teams avoid bad losses, which at this point only looks like Georgetown is capable of doing that. I don't see how 9 or 10 wins doesn't get you in the tournament, 10 out of the 20 BE games are Q1's, 6 of the 20 are Q2's, and 4 of the 20 are Q3's. So 16 out of 20 BE games will be considered quality wins on a tournament resume.
That's plenty of opportunities to get quality wins, and that's not including the Big East tournament, where you could add another 1-3 Q1/Q2 games. If things hold up in the non-conference and other BE teams avoid bad losses, which at this point only looks like Georgetown is capable of doing that. I don't see how 9 or 10 wins doesn't get you in the tournament, 10 out of the 20 BE games are Q1's, 6 of the 20 are Q2's, and 4 of the 20 are Q3's. So 16 out of 20 BE games will be considered quality wins on a tournament resume.
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Monte wrote:
Unless I'm ready their roster incorrectly, Marquette is made up almost completely of newcomers. In fact, of the 10 kids who have played in the first 4 games, 8 are freshmen and the other 2 are transfers. I wasn't aware of it, although many of you may have been. And while there's no way of knowing how the season will play out, kudos to Shaka for getting off to such a good start with a brand new group.
You're 90% right Monte lol. The only exception is Justin Lewis who played in 21 games for them last year and had numerous double figure games including one against us. I remember him being touted as a very good frosh prospect. For some reason ESPN lists him as a freshman but don't see how that could be correct. Agree that Shaka's done a phenomenal job getting this group of newcomers playing well right from the get go.
Unless I'm ready their roster incorrectly, Marquette is made up almost completely of newcomers. In fact, of the 10 kids who have played in the first 4 games, 8 are freshmen and the other 2 are transfers. I wasn't aware of it, although many of you may have been. And while there's no way of knowing how the season will play out, kudos to Shaka for getting off to such a good start with a brand new group.
You're 90% right Monte lol. The only exception is Justin Lewis who played in 21 games for them last year and had numerous double figure games including one against us. I remember him being touted as a very good frosh prospect. For some reason ESPN lists him as a freshman but don't see how that could be correct. Agree that Shaka's done a phenomenal job getting this group of newcomers playing well right from the get go.
NCJohnnie post=443173 said:
It’s weird, some schools on ESPN lost their players with their added year of eligibility. Indiana for example. I thought it might have been a conference thing but apparently not.
MarkRedman
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mm52 post=443165 said:
I don't know?
We all love Looie right?
Didn't Looie have year after year of Cupcake City, Baby!?
and Didn't we make a Tournament every single year (most-often NCAA) and didn't Looie get 22+ Ws, almost every year?
On the other hand, schedule better cupcakes, than Emily Dickinson, St. Peter's and NJIT, and especially no MVS's.
We all love Looie right?
Didn't Looie have year after year of Cupcake City, Baby!?
and Didn't we make a Tournament every single year (most-often NCAA) and didn't Looie get 22+ Ws, almost every year?
On the other hand, schedule better cupcakes, than Emily Dickinson, St. Peter's and NJIT, and especially no MVS's.
A lot of trash talk about the schedule. A little "grass is always greener" syndrome maybe. Our "prep" for Kansas, OMG. Seton is preparing for Texas by playing Bethune Cookman, Wagner anf the incredible Nyack College.
We are playing in the Gavitt and the Big East/Big Twelve competions and we scheduled Pitt of the ACC when they were expected to be competitive with Julian and his brother as the featured members of the teams.
We have no invites to in season tournaments this year which can enhance competition and add to team revenue. Basketball revenue at St. John's provides for all SJU sports. Therefore, without in season tournament revenue, we must schedule games at home where we have to give a guarantee to visitors, so the closer to Queens, the less it costs the program.
As the Irishman says--It Is What It Is.
We are playing in the Gavitt and the Big East/Big Twelve competions and we scheduled Pitt of the ACC when they were expected to be competitive with Julian and his brother as the featured members of the teams.
We have no invites to in season tournaments this year which can enhance competition and add to team revenue. Basketball revenue at St. John's provides for all SJU sports. Therefore, without in season tournament revenue, we must schedule games at home where we have to give a guarantee to visitors, so the closer to Queens, the less it costs the program.
As the Irishman says--It Is What It Is.
With all due respect to our AD and Coach , blowing smoke about our OOC schedule is difficult to endorse . Losing to Indiana has far more possible ramifications than just its face value , as a result . It would have been a quality Win over a top 30 team on their home court ! Now to get that non BE quality win we have to beat Kansas , a tough task . The other notable returns from the Gavitt Games was how good Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence , Marquette and Creighton played in their wins . I think the BE will be deeper and tougher than past years . It’s possible a .500 record won’t be enough to grab off a NCAA spot . Barring a sweep through to BE tourney championship . The idea that Cragg and CMA posed about needing a soft OOC schedule due to Roster Changes is very questionable , at the least .
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Again, I can't get too worked up right now about the early season schedule, since there's no way to know the extent of the impact on the full season. But no matter how you slice it, it's not a good thing. If we're a bubble team it could prevent us from dancing. If we dance, it's going to hurt our seeding. Furthermore, as has been mentioned, I don't see how playing a lot of cupcakes gets this team more prepared for Big East play. The fact that CMA supposedly has a system that takes longer to learn is a poor excuse. If he's going to be successful moving forward, then he needs to adjust his system to the new age of college basketball, because roster turnover is here to stay.
Alot of complaining about the schedule. I get it. But at the end of the day, if we are on the bubble and miss out because of a soft schedule, that means we really weren't that good of a team this year anyway, so what is there to get upset about? Regardless of what the schedule is, the team has to take care of business and win games against good teams. It seems this year they have the talent to do so and the Big East schedule will give plenty of opportunities, so let's see them do it.
L J S A
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I'd prefer Northeast cupcakes to the MVSUs of the world. But other than that, our schedule looks to me like it's frequently looked. The biggest problem is that we won't get the benefit of the doubt come selection time because we've been down so long. But does scheduling tougher help us if we pick a bad time to not show up?
Let's just beat everyone not named Kansas by 30.
If we pull a shocker on Kansas, I think we're in if there isn't a severe BE letdown.
Let's just beat everyone not named Kansas by 30.
If we pull a shocker on Kansas, I think we're in if there isn't a severe BE letdown.
We're still a few weeks away from getting NET numbers, but for now we have the outdated RPI (which of course doesn't factor in margins).
http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_bige_Men.html
We're #10 in the Big East (UConn isn't listed) and #189 overall. Because NET factors in margins and we've won by 10+ (NET cap) for 3 games and lost by 2 in the other, our NET should definitely be better than #189.
So basically the schedule sucks but:
1. The Big East schedule should bail us out as long as we can finish middle of the pack with a few big wins
2. Winning 3 games by 10+ and losing by 2 is pretty much the best possible scenario for a 3-1 record.
http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_bige_Men.html
We're #10 in the Big East (UConn isn't listed) and #189 overall. Because NET factors in margins and we've won by 10+ (NET cap) for 3 games and lost by 2 in the other, our NET should definitely be better than #189.
So basically the schedule sucks but:
1. The Big East schedule should bail us out as long as we can finish middle of the pack with a few big wins
2. Winning 3 games by 10+ and losing by 2 is pretty much the best possible scenario for a 3-1 record.
I don't really follow this stuff too closely, which is why I don't get worked up over this stuff, especially so early in the season. But let me ask you this: aren't all the teams that play in the power conferences going to get the same boost in ranking once their conference play starts? I guess what I'm saying is; are the rankings of the Big East teams, top to bottom, so much better then the rankings of the teams in the other power conferences? So much so that we're going to get a bigger boost then other teams from other conferences will get?Adam post=443426 said: