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[quote="SJU61982" post=356368][quote="ron " post=356357][quote="Delaware" post=356356][quote="Knight" post=356354]Umpires with rabbit ears getting too involved with players and managers during the game. Getting more interested in electronic umps.[/quote]
Don't disagree, but veterans CC and Gardner have to better role models then they've been with regard to umpires and the opposition.[/quote]
Nothing good will come from pissing off the umps, no matter how bad their calls. They should send videos of the bad calls to the league office.[/quote]
I'm responding to the last two posts in one here (was at today's game, so I just watched the full video now - though from the upper deck behind 3B, I did see Gardner bang the bat).
Phil Cuzzi can not, in any court, prove that what Gardner was doing was at the expense of the umpires. He didn't say a word, and it wasn't even his at-bat, so how did they know for a fact that Gardner was showing them up? And, if they've been told to automatically eject him for that regardless, then why was no one on the Yankees (or any other team) told that, either via Memo, email, Joe Torre visit, etc. Bad job of communication there, and MLB needs to clear that up. I do agree that Gardner should stop doing it, but only because it looks stupid (I was never a fan of Paul O'Neill's antics either, FTR).
CC was, IMO, 100% justified in his anger. Phil Cuzzi ran all the way from the first base umpire position, to the Yankee dugout, to throw Gardner out of the game (I've never seen that before, BTW). Did the umps expect to find perfect harmony in the Yankee dugout, when that happened? I actually think he was yelling at Cuzzi to get back, but since he had to look in the direction of HP umpire anyway, since Cuzzi was at the other end of the Yankees dugout, the HP ump overreacted. Cuzzi should not be allowed to ump behind the plate for CC's start tomorrow, IMO. I just don't think he's capable of calling a fair game for him (Cuzzi has a reputation for holding grudges), and IMO, he started that, by charging the Yankees dugout. Amir Garrett got suspended 8 games for charging the Pirates dugout, and while I'm sure Cuzzi wasn't looking to throw it down with any of the Yankees, it was still wrong, and worthy of punishment, IMO.
As far as the Yankees arguing with the umpires, I agree that it won't endear them to many, but they appear to have no alternative. I've watched Aaron Judge for 3 years, take strikes that are almost in the dirt, or a foot outside. He says NOTHING to these umps for 3 years (at worst, he asks one question calmly, and walks away), but the unjustified strikeouts keep coming. So, not arguing also doesn't help this team. If both situations are going to continue to be the case, then I'm all for the Yankees going to full on "Ralph Kramden vs. the Landlord" style war vs. these guys.
As a general aside, it's time for TV to get rid of that strike zone box, IMO. No need for it. Show me the overhead to see if the pitch crossed the plate or not, or the opposite batters box view to see if the pitch had the height. You can't fudge that. The box? You can, IMO.[/quote]
In the real world you can sue for discrimination in the work place, to bad you can't in sports.
F the umpires, the computer needs to call strikes and balls, atleast you know the computer won't discriminate
Don't disagree, but veterans CC and Gardner have to better role models then they've been with regard to umpires and the opposition.[/quote]
Nothing good will come from pissing off the umps, no matter how bad their calls. They should send videos of the bad calls to the league office.[/quote]
I'm responding to the last two posts in one here (was at today's game, so I just watched the full video now - though from the upper deck behind 3B, I did see Gardner bang the bat).
Phil Cuzzi can not, in any court, prove that what Gardner was doing was at the expense of the umpires. He didn't say a word, and it wasn't even his at-bat, so how did they know for a fact that Gardner was showing them up? And, if they've been told to automatically eject him for that regardless, then why was no one on the Yankees (or any other team) told that, either via Memo, email, Joe Torre visit, etc. Bad job of communication there, and MLB needs to clear that up. I do agree that Gardner should stop doing it, but only because it looks stupid (I was never a fan of Paul O'Neill's antics either, FTR).
CC was, IMO, 100% justified in his anger. Phil Cuzzi ran all the way from the first base umpire position, to the Yankee dugout, to throw Gardner out of the game (I've never seen that before, BTW). Did the umps expect to find perfect harmony in the Yankee dugout, when that happened? I actually think he was yelling at Cuzzi to get back, but since he had to look in the direction of HP umpire anyway, since Cuzzi was at the other end of the Yankees dugout, the HP ump overreacted. Cuzzi should not be allowed to ump behind the plate for CC's start tomorrow, IMO. I just don't think he's capable of calling a fair game for him (Cuzzi has a reputation for holding grudges), and IMO, he started that, by charging the Yankees dugout. Amir Garrett got suspended 8 games for charging the Pirates dugout, and while I'm sure Cuzzi wasn't looking to throw it down with any of the Yankees, it was still wrong, and worthy of punishment, IMO.
As far as the Yankees arguing with the umpires, I agree that it won't endear them to many, but they appear to have no alternative. I've watched Aaron Judge for 3 years, take strikes that are almost in the dirt, or a foot outside. He says NOTHING to these umps for 3 years (at worst, he asks one question calmly, and walks away), but the unjustified strikeouts keep coming. So, not arguing also doesn't help this team. If both situations are going to continue to be the case, then I'm all for the Yankees going to full on "Ralph Kramden vs. the Landlord" style war vs. these guys.
As a general aside, it's time for TV to get rid of that strike zone box, IMO. No need for it. Show me the overhead to see if the pitch crossed the plate or not, or the opposite batters box view to see if the pitch had the height. You can't fudge that. The box? You can, IMO.[/quote]
In the real world you can sue for discrimination in the work place, to bad you can't in sports.
F the umpires, the computer needs to call strikes and balls, atleast you know the computer won't discriminate