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guarding the 3 has not been out strong suit.

neither is guarding the 2.

Actually, that is not at all true. We were ranked #51 in fg% defense in the country last year and #1 in blocked shots. For reference, National Champ Louisville was around #40 in FG% defense last year. Statistically, we were solid guarding the 2.

Just another example of stats not telling the real story.. Many opponents made so many 3's that they didn't need to take the 2's. I think consensus among the knowing was we were not good defensively. Or, rebounding.. Or, free throw shooting.. or, our own 3 pt shooting. Yes, we did block shots but, that is a deceiving stat that often doesn't influence the games outcome. It's like dunking..Still only 2 points.despite the oohs and ahhs.

Frankly, we have a new season to see our improvement in these key areas.

It's well document that MCN sees the program through rose-colored glasses, but on this point he's not wrong. We weren't an awful team defensively aside from guarding the 3pt line. And if we hadn't given up so many offensive boards early in the year, our fg% numbers would have been even better.

Going into this year I wanted to see us have better ball-movement, rebound, and guard the 3 better. In that order.
I don't include shooting because I don't believe that can improve dramatically when most of the same players are returning. However, the quality of shots we get can change, and that could make a big difference.


The quality of shots you get determine the shooting %. Even when open...a pass that is off the mark will disrupt a shooter's rthymn and negatively impact a shooting %. The thing I am concerned about most is that we take so many off balance jumpers. PGIV and Jakar are the worst offenders.
 
guarding the 3 has not been out strong suit.

neither is guarding the 2.

Actually, that is not at all true. We were ranked #51 in fg% defense in the country last year and #1 in blocked shots. For reference, National Champ Louisville was around #40 in FG% defense last year. Statistically, we were solid guarding the 2.

Just another example of stats not telling the real story.. Many opponents made so many 3's that they didn't need to take the 2's. I think consensus among the knowing was we were not good defensively. Or, rebounding.. Or, free throw shooting.. or, our own 3 pt shooting. Yes, we did block shots but, that is a deceiving stat that often doesn't influence the games outcome. It's like dunking..Still only 2 points.despite the oohs and ahhs.

Frankly, we have a new season to see our improvement in these key areas.

Do you make this stuff up as you go along? We were a solid defensive team inside the arc. Stats don't lie. "consensus among us in the knowing"... You serious with this stuff? A blocked shot has nothing in common with a dunk. A dunk is a made shot. A blocked shot is a prevented shot, and the only was besides a defensive stop or steal to actively prevent a team from increasing their field goal percentage. Aka, it directly influences the games outcomeand lowers opposing team's field goal percentage every time a shot is blocked.
 
guarding the 3 has not been out strong suit.

neither is guarding the 2.

Actually, that is not at all true. We were ranked #51 in fg% defense in the country last year and #1 in blocked shots. For reference, National Champ Louisville was around #40 in FG% defense last year. Statistically, we were solid guarding the 2.

Just another example of stats not telling the real story.. Many opponents made so many 3's that they didn't need to take the 2's.

The opposition hit 6.5 treys against the Johnnies a season ago. That would account for 19.5 points per game. So, I guess they didn't have to shoot any 2's, huh?
 
guarding the 3 has not been out strong suit.

neither is guarding the 2.

Actually, that is not at all true. We were ranked #51 in fg% defense in the country last year and #1 in blocked shots. For reference, National Champ Louisville was around #40 in FG% defense last year. Statistically, we were solid guarding the 2.

Just another example of stats not telling the real story.. Many opponents made so many 3's that they didn't need to take the 2's. I think consensus among the knowing was we were not good defensively. Or, rebounding.. Or, free throw shooting.. or, our own 3 pt shooting. Yes, we did block shots but, that is a deceiving stat that often doesn't influence the games outcome. It's like dunking..Still only 2 points.despite the oohs and ahhs.

Frankly, we have a new season to see our improvement in these key areas.

Do you make this stuff up as you go along? We were a solid defensive team inside the arc. Stats don't lie. "consensus among us in the knowing"... You serious with this stuff? A blocked shot has nothing in common with a dunk. A dunk is a made shot. A blocked shot is a prevented shot, and the only was besides a defensive stop or steal to actively prevent a team from increasing their field goal percentage. Aka, it directly influences the games outcomeand lowers opposing team's field goal percentage every time a shot is blocked.

This particular quote fits his foolishness very well....

A message board is a place to discuss opinions, and not a place for half-baked opinions for people who wanna convey it as fact or truth.
 
guarding the 3 has not been out strong suit.

neither is guarding the 2.

Actually, that is not at all true. We were ranked #51 in fg% defense in the country last year and #1 in blocked shots. For reference, National Champ Louisville was around #40 in FG% defense last year. Statistically, we were solid guarding the 2.

Just another example of stats not telling the real story.. Many opponents made so many 3's that they didn't need to take the 2's. I think consensus among the knowing was we were not good defensively. Or, rebounding.. Or, free throw shooting.. or, our own 3 pt shooting. Yes, we did block shots but, that is a deceiving stat that often doesn't influence the games outcome. It's like dunking..Still only 2 points.despite the oohs and ahhs.

Frankly, we have a new season to see our improvement in these key areas.

It's well document that MCN sees the program through rose-colored glasses, but on this point he's not wrong. We weren't an awful team defensively aside from guarding the 3pt line. And if we hadn't given up so many offensive boards early in the year, our fg% numbers would have been even better.

Going into this year I wanted to see us have better ball-movement, rebound, and guard the 3 better. In that order.
I don't include shooting because I don't believe that can improve dramatically when most of the same players are returning. However, the quality of shots we get can change, and that could make a big difference.

Wisconsin is actually not usually a great offensive rebounding team, because they get back quickly on defense. It's the offensive boards and second chance shots we need to concentrate on, and we will likely have an advantage because they lost all their frontcourt from last year. Need to crash the offensive glass, especially because we aren't the best shooting team traditionally.
 
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I don't include shooting because I don't believe that can improve dramatically when most of the same players are returning.

Well besides adding Rysheed, Orlando and Hooper who all shoot better than the returnees at their respective positions. :sick:

Not saying that will be the be all and end all of having a great FG% but it will be one contributing factor in improving this weakness.
 
guarding the 3 has not been out strong suit.

neither is guarding the 2.

Actually, that is not at all true. We were ranked #51 in fg% defense in the country last year and #1 in blocked shots. For reference, National Champ Louisville was around #40 in FG% defense last year. Statistically, we were solid guarding the 2.

Just another example of stats not telling the real story.. Many opponents made so many 3's that they didn't need to take the 2's. I think consensus among the knowing was we were not good defensively. Or, rebounding.. Or, free throw shooting.. or, our own 3 pt shooting. Yes, we did block shots but, that is a deceiving stat that often doesn't influence the games outcome. It's like dunking..Still only 2 points.despite the oohs and ahhs.

Frankly, we have a new season to see our improvement in these key areas.

I agree with your comments about stats not telling the whole story. We were so ugly on offense at times last year, it kind of lulls better opponents into poor shooting performances. I don't remember a lot of lockdowns when we needed it, but lots of breakdowns on defense. Block shots in basketball can be like Dave Kingman homeruns - the strikeouts kill you when you are swinging for the fences too much. Blocked shots don't tell the story about roaming on defense, and leaving your man wide open for an easy layup or put back when you are out of position.
 
I get BTN on AT&T Uverse here in Florida but I wonder if the game is on the web so that Northshore can drive the nurses crazy watching on his laptop.
 
guarding the 3 has not been out strong suit.

neither is guarding the 2.

Actually, that is not at all true. We were ranked #51 in fg% defense in the country last year and #1 in blocked shots. For reference, National Champ Louisville was around #40 in FG% defense last year. Statistically, we were solid guarding the 2.

Just another example of stats not telling the real story.. Many opponents made so many 3's that they didn't need to take the 2's. I think consensus among the knowing was we were not good defensively. Or, rebounding.. Or, free throw shooting.. or, our own 3 pt shooting. Yes, we did block shots but, that is a deceiving stat that often doesn't influence the games outcome. It's like dunking..Still only 2 points.despite the oohs and ahhs.

Frankly, we have a new season to see our improvement in these key areas.

I agree with your comments about stats not telling the whole story. We were so ugly on offense at times last year, it kind of lulls better opponents into poor shooting performances. I don't remember a lot of lockdowns when we needed it, but lots of breakdowns on defense. Block shots in basketball can be like Dave Kingman homeruns - the strikeouts kill you when you are swinging for the fences too much. Blocked shots don't tell the story about roaming on defense, and leaving your man wide open for an easy layup or put back when you are out of position.

What you are trying to convince people of is not the statistical truth. The whole story is that we were #51 in FG % defense, which statistically translates into the truth being that we defended inside the arc more than a large swathe of high major schools, ncluding most of the former Big East including some tourney teams. Just because you don't remember something doesn't change the facts and make it partial truth. Your "truth" is more akin to beer goggles, where your memory of those girls tells a much different tale, regardless of the facts.
 
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I don't include shooting because I don't believe that can improve dramatically when most of the same players are returning.

Well besides adding Rysheed, Orlando and Hooper who all shoot better than the returnees at their respective positions. :sick:

Not saying that will be the be all and end all of having a great FG% but it will be one contributing factor in improving this weakness.

True.
I'm not sure Hooper will play enough to really effect our shooting %, but generally you're right, so point taken.
 
Correct about Kingman striking out too much.
Correct that blocks are often times more hype than they are productive. (sometimes)
But how the hell does our team shooting bricks "lull the opponent into missing shots"? So, because we couldn't hit a jumper for 4mins, all of a sudden other teams were going to miss shots? That's not how it works.
 
Prediction: St. John's 64 Wisconsin 60. It will be a slow grind-it-out game just like Wisconsin wants. (Sorry, I had to pick the Johnnies.)

@FarcoSJU: St. John's / Wisconsin preview: Johnnies' anticipation becomes reality tomorrow #sjubbhttp://t.co/yanONWJszX
 
guarding the 3 has not been out strong suit.

neither is guarding the 2.

Actually, that is not at all true. We were ranked #51 in fg% defense in the country last year and #1 in blocked shots. For reference, National Champ Louisville was around #40 in FG% defense last year. Statistically, we were solid guarding the 2.

Just another example of stats not telling the real story.. Many opponents made so many 3's that they didn't need to take the 2's. I think consensus among the knowing was we were not good defensively. Or, rebounding.. Or, free throw shooting.. or, our own 3 pt shooting. Yes, we did block shots but, that is a deceiving stat that often doesn't influence the games outcome. It's like dunking..Still only 2 points.despite the oohs and ahhs.

Frankly, we have a new season to see our improvement in these key areas.

It's well document that MCN sees the program through rose-colored glasses, but on this point he's not wrong. We weren't an awful team defensively aside from guarding the 3pt line. And if we hadn't given up so many offensive boards early in the year, our fg% numbers would have been even better.

Going into this year I wanted to see us have better ball-movement, rebound, and guard the 3 better. In that order.
I don't include shooting because I don't believe that can improve dramatically when most of the same players are returning. However, the quality of shots we get can change, and that could make a big difference.

Our three new pieces have hit 7 3s in two exh games. I think we've improved our outside shooting.

Edit: just saw austor brought this up as well.
 
Anyone know if Obekpa will be available to play or is he still in chateau bow wow? :dry:
 
Thanks. Hopefully, we don't have any more maturity issues and we can concentrate on winning some games starting tomorrow night.
 
Correct about Kingman striking out too much.
Correct that blocks are often times more hype than they are productive. (sometimes)
But how the hell does our team shooting bricks "lull the opponent into missing shots"? So, because we couldn't hit a jumper for 4mins, all of a sudden other teams were going to miss shots? That's not how it works.

Basketball is often about outcomes. Good teams too often play down to the competition, but manage to put it together in the last 4-5 minutes to secure victories. Our entire history of our program (including the Final Four year) is littered with narrow victories over teams we should have destroyed. So, when we struggle to put the ball in the hole for very long stretches, often a better opponent doesn't capitalize, and it is as much due to the ugly basketball we are playing offensively. In many of our losses against better teams, the opponent held comfortable leads, and despite the fact that we didn't play particularly well, we'd creep to within single digits at certain points. You might be inclined to chalk it up to great defense, but we never quite got the stops we needed at critical points to make the game serious. Sorry to disagree, but that's how it often works - the lead with the lead knows they are controlling the game, and gets a little careless in their shot selection or passing, and fails to blow an opponent out. If you think that our failure to cover the 3 was simply a result of packing it in and playing superior interior defense, then I'd disagree with that. We covered ball rotation extremely poorly at times, resulting in mad scrambles to reach a wide open shooter.
 
Is the game on TV tomorrow foxsport1 or espn ??

No Big Ten Network.

TWC 472
FIOS 585
DIRECTV 610
DISH 439
Optimum 720

Please check for yourself as I looked these up on the BTN website

TWC 472 is a premium channel. Anyone know if there's any way to watch the game streaming somewhere as 472 is not part of my TWC package and I won't be able to see the game.
 
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