What Won This Game For Us

IMO the team would be better off if Amir or Jones impresses the coaching staff to get more minutes instead of the three guard offense the staff seems to love. If the third guard is a competent outside shooter and must be defended it is a sound strategy.
Branch is not that player.On the defensive end the rebounding suffers and in many situations the third guard, usually Harrison ends up guarding a man three or four inches taller.
If Amir can earn more minutes and Harrison and Jordan play 32 min. a game that lineup is much better suited for Big East play.
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I don't like Amar on the perimeter. But on games we need size. Amar at the 3, has a better shot than Dom, Dom at the 4 and CO at the 5 may be an answer. As good as that W was , we got killed on the boards which will bite us in the Arse in the future.
 
IMO the team would be better off if Amir or Jones impresses the coaching staff to get more minutes instead of the three guard offense the staff seems to love. If the third guard is a competent outside shooter and must be defended it is a sound strategy.
Branch is not that player.On the defensive end the rebounding suffers and in many situations the third guard, usually Harrison ends up guarding a man three or four inches taller.
If Amir can earn more minutes and Harrison and Jordan play 32 min. a game that lineup is much better suited for Big East play.
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The only problem with that is it moves Dom to the 3, where his offense is limited. He should stay as close to the basket as possible. If you take Dom out then the defense takes a hit.

I'm all for Amar or Jones getting a few more minutes (10-15) a game, but this team needs as many scorers as possible on the floor.
 
Between Amar and JDR last night we got some help. Amar would probably be at his best as a 3 in the future. He did a good job last night not looking for three pointers but he can hit them. He also has hair that must make Lavin jealous.
 
Lavin taking it to Cooley in the coaching department. Not as easy for Cooley when he doesn't have a team that leads the nation in FT shooting % like last year.

Providence had 13 extra possessions but 13 less points at home. I don't Cooley is a bad coach, but it is puzzling to me how so many anit-Lavin posters are so positive about Cooley when there might not be a coach in the country more similar to Lavin.
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I'm not sure I agree but, your point has merit. Cooley has won the BE tournament. That alone puts him at a higher level than Lavin in my opinion. He's built a Program at PC, that was struggling and losing under Welsh and Davis..Yes, some of his recruits have been questionable or guilty of criminal activity but, we've had our issues too. Maybe not of the criminal type under Lavin but, in the past.

He seems to find kids who are under the radar, those 3-4 star kids and get them to come to PC. Providence is not NY. Steve aims for the stars but, only gets top kids infrequently. Cooley gets kids he can develop and has. He also gets some good transfers from top tier programs, DeRossiers and Harris, from Wake FOREST AND NCSTATE. Other than Branch, STEVE hasn't gotten that level of transfer. Guys who can start and play.
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I respect your opinion, but it seems somewhat flawed. Because a guy won a conference tournament, then he is considered to be a better coach, huh?

So, by your opinion, Cooley is a better coach than Jay Wright, right? Again, it's your opinion, and rather subjective.

Cooley seems to find kids under the radar, huh? Let's see for a second....

I'm gonna name recruits who have, at least, made a "splash" for Providence who Cooley recruited since he came to Providence. Bryce Cotton and Kadeem Batts was inherited, so they weren't Cooley recruits.

LaDontae Hinton was considered a three-star recruit, so I'll give credit to Cooley. Hinton was actually a Dayton commit, prior to coming to Providence. So, he wasn't chopped liver.

Cooley's first class where he could fully recruit....

Ricky Ledo -- Top 10 recruit/5-star (though, he never suited up)
Kris Dunn -- Top 20 recruit/5-star/McDonald's A-A
Josh Fortune -- 3-star

Cooley's second full class....

Brandon Austin -- Top 50 recruit/4-star (he never suited up/transferred)
Rodney Bullock -- Top 150 recruit/3-star (had offers from UMass, NC State, Miami, DePaul, and Va Tech)

Cooley's third full class.....

Paschal Chukwu -- Top 70 recruit/4-star
Jalen Lindsey -- Top 75 recruit/4-star
Ben Bentil -- Top 90 recruit/4-star
Kyron Cartwright -- 3-star recruit
Tyree Chambers -- Came from abroad (Germany)


By the way, Cooley is still trying to find his way, as Lavin is at St. John's. Cooley hasn't "built" anything yet, IMO. He's still building.

You said, Lavin "infrequently" gets top kids, right? Well, other than the 2014 class, he has gotten a top 50 (or better) kid to commit.

Based, on Cooley's record, he isn't doing any, better than Lavin. Actually, his record is worst. Cooley is also 3-3 versus St. John's since he took over at Providence.

By the way, how many 4-star kids are truly, under the radar? LOL Not many.... Very few.... If any, at all.

Keep thinking Cooley is putting out a team of "middling" players. Derosiers and Harris (the two transfers) were solid recruits out of high school. They're both experienced and playing up to their capabilities.

Cooley had a veteran-laden team last season, which was led by a point guard who played out of his mind. I'll give Cooley kudos for leading his team down the stretch. But let's not act like he's far and away the better coach. I don't see it.
 
I missed the first half.
How did Amar score his FGs?
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He had a couple of aggressive rebounds which I liked seeing. One basket was off a fast break and the other was off an assist in the lane I think from Jordan. Much better than him sitting out on the perimiter waiting to clunk a 3.
 
I missed the first half.
How did Amar score his FGs?
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He had a couple of aggressive rebounds which I liked seeing. One basket was off a fast break and the other was off an assist in the lane I think from Jordan. Much better than him sitting out on the perimiter waiting to clunk a 3.
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And the breakaway basket he caused the turnover and ran out.
 
I missed the first half.
How did Amar score his FGs?
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He had a couple of aggressive rebounds which I liked seeing. One basket was off a fast break and the other was off an assist in the lane I think from Jordan. Much better than him sitting out on the perimiter waiting to clunk a 3.
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And the breakaway basket he caused the turnover and ran out.
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Yup, nice contributions from a guy who could deloping nicely over time. I like his skill set.
 
IMO the team would be better off if Amir or Jones impresses the coaching staff to get more minutes instead of the three guard offense the staff seems to love. If the third guard is a competent outside shooter and must be defended it is a sound strategy.
Branch is not that player.On the defensive end the rebounding suffers and in many situations the third guard, usually Harrison ends up guarding a man three or four inches taller.
If Amir can earn more minutes and Harrison and Jordan play 32 min. a game that lineup is much better suited for Big East play.
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I don't like Amar on the perimeter. But on games we need size. Amar at the 3, has a better shot than Dom, Dom at the 4 and CO at the 5 may be an answer. As good as that W was , we got killed on the boards which will bite us in the Arse in the future.
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When guys come up against teams they can't board with turning them over a must. Tough when not picking up fouls so important.
 
I missed the first half.
How did Amar score his FGs?
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The one he scored off the pass in the lane he kinda just threw up and it went in on an unintentional (I think) bank.

Although he gave us some very important serviceable minutes down low last night, I think his future's at the 3.. and by his junior year will be a serious asset.
 
I missed the first half.
How did Amar score his FGs?
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The one he scored off the pass in the lane he kinda just threw up and it went in on an unintentional (I think) bank.

Although he gave us some very important serviceable minutes down low last night, I think his future's at the 3.. and by his junior year will be a serious asset.
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That was not unintentional. That was something a Euro player would do.
 
IMO the team would be better off if Amir or Jones impresses the coaching staff to get more minutes instead of the three guard offense the staff seems to love. If the third guard is a competent outside shooter and must be defended it is a sound strategy.
Branch is not that player.On the defensive end the rebounding suffers and in many situations the third guard, usually Harrison ends up guarding a man three or four inches taller.
If Amir can earn more minutes and Harrison and Jordan play 32 min. a game that lineup is much better suited for Big East play.
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The only problem with that is it moves Dom to the 3, where his offense is limited. He should stay as close to the basket as possible. If you take Dom out then the defense takes a hit.

I'm all for Amar or Jones getting a few more minutes (10-15) a game, but this team needs as many scorers as possible on the floor.
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I agree . That's why I say keep Dom at the 4 and Amar at the 3 in a line up of Amar,Dom and CO when size is needed and to help w rebounding.
 
we don't really have any traditional positions on either offense or defense. JDR is the only true one position player that gets any minutes.
 
I respect your opinion, but it seems somewhat flawed. Because a guy won a conference tournament, then he is considered to be a better coach, huh?

So, by your opinion, Cooley is a better coach than Jay Wright, right? Again, it's your opinion, and rather subjective.

Cooley seems to find kids under the radar, huh? Let's see for a second....

I'm gonna name recruits who have, at least, made a "splash" for Providence who Cooley recruited since he came to Providence. Bryce Cotton and Kadeem Batts was inherited, so they weren't Cooley recruits.

LaDontae Hinton was considered a three-star recruit, so I'll give credit to Cooley. Hinton was actually a Dayton commit, prior to coming to Providence. So, he wasn't chopped liver.

Cooley's first class where he could fully recruit....

Ricky Ledo -- Top 10 recruit/5-star (though, he never suited up)
Kris Dunn -- Top 20 recruit/5-star/McDonald's A-A
Josh Fortune -- 3-star

Cooley's second full class....

Brandon Austin -- Top 50 recruit/4-star (he never suited up/transferred)
Rodney Bullock -- Top 150 recruit/3-star (had offers from UMass, NC State, Miami, DePaul, and Va Tech)

Cooley's third full class.....

Paschal Chukwu -- Top 70 recruit/4-star
Jalen Lindsey -- Top 75 recruit/4-star
Ben Bentil -- Top 90 recruit/4-star
Kyron Cartwright -- 3-star recruit
Tyree Chambers -- Came from abroad (Germany)


By the way, Cooley is still trying to find his way, as Lavin is at St. John's. Cooley hasn't "built" anything yet, IMO. He's still building.

You said, Lavin "infrequently" gets top kids, right? Well, other than the 2014 class, he has gotten a top 50 (or better) kid to commit.

Based, on Cooley's record, he isn't doing any, better than Lavin. Actually, his record is worst. Cooley is also 3-3 versus St. John's since he took over at Providence.

By the way, how many 4-star kids are truly, under the radar? LOL Not many.... Very few.... If any, at all.

Keep thinking Cooley is putting out a team of "middling" players. Derosiers and Harris (the two transfers) were solid recruits out of high school. They're both experienced and playing up to their capabilities.

Cooley had a veteran-laden team last season, which was led by a point guard who played out of his mind. I'll give Cooley kudos for leading his team down the stretch. But let's not act like he's far and away the better coach. I don't see it.
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Generally agree with you Dink
Cooley is a good coach and recruiter. But more than player development or recruiting those two transfers made a huge difference when his team was in peril of imploding due to their own scandal or whatever you want to call it. Aside from that Cooley is kind of ideal for Providence if he can keep his players out of trouble. He's likely the guy that might stay there for the long haul rather than using it as a stepping stone.

(Looked to me like Harris went out of his way to poke Jordan in the eye last night.)
 
I missed the first half.
How did Amar score his FGs?
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The one he scored off the pass in the lane he kinda just threw up and it went in on an unintentional (I think) bank.

Although he gave us some very important serviceable minutes down low last night, I think his future's at the 3.. and by his junior year will be a serious asset.
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That was not unintentional. That was something a Euro player would do.
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:) I'll accept that's possible, Moose, but it sure didn't look that way to me.

Years ago I was lucky enough to work at UCLA, and I had keys to Pauley. I used to go in, roll a big basket of curtains into the gym and sit in it while I watched Wooden coach Walton, Wilkes, Meyers, et al. They would always spend a lot of time practicing bank shots.. about 15 ft and in, left and right of the basket (never straight on).. over and over again. Kind of a lost art...
 
I missed the first half.
How did Amar score his FGs?
Click to expand...

The one he scored off the pass in the lane he kinda just threw up and it went in on an unintentional (I think) bank.

Although he gave us some very important serviceable minutes down low last night, I think his future's at the 3.. and by his junior year will be a serious asset.
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That was not unintentional. That was something a Euro player would do.
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:) I'll accept that's possible, Moose, but it sure didn't look that way to me.

Years ago I was lucky enough to work at UCLA, and I had keys to Pauley. I used to go in, roll a big basket of curtains into the gym and sit in it while I watched Wooden coach Walton, Wilkes, Meyers, et al. They would always spend a lot of time practicing bank shots.. about 15 ft and in, left and right of the basket (never straight on).. over and over again. Kind of a lost art...
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Yeah back then it was definitely used. Nowadays forget it. I love us mixing in some Euro players. I think Amar can offer a lot and I really want Mussini here.
 
Lavin taking it to Cooley in the coaching department. Not as easy for Cooley when he doesn't have a team that leads the nation in FT shooting % like last year.

Providence had 13 extra possessions but 13 less points at home. I don't Cooley is a bad coach, but it is puzzling to me how so many anit-Lavin posters are so positive about Cooley when there might not be a coach in the country more similar to Lavin.
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I'm not sure I agree but, your point has merit. Cooley has won the BE tournament. That alone puts him at a higher level than Lavin in my opinion. He's built a Program at PC, that was struggling and losing under Welsh and Davis..Yes, some of his recruits have been questionable or guilty of criminal activity but, we've had our issues too. Maybe not of the criminal type under Lavin but, in the past.

He seems to find kids who are under the radar, those 3-4 star kids and get them to come to PC. Providence is not NY. Steve aims for the stars but, only gets top kids infrequently. Cooley gets kids he can develop and has. He also gets some good transfers from top tier programs, DeRossiers and Harris, from Wake FOREST AND NCSTATE. Other than Branch, STEVE hasn't gotten that level of transfer. Guys who can start and play.
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I respect your opinion, but it seems somewhat flawed. Because a guy won a conference tournament, then he is considered to be a better coach, huh?

So, by your opinion, Cooley is a better coach than Jay Wright, right? Again, it's your opinion, and rather subjective.

Cooley seems to find kids under the radar, huh? Let's see for a second....

I'm gonna name recruits who have, at least, made a "splash" for Providence who Cooley recruited since he came to Providence. Bryce Cotton and Kadeem Batts was inherited, so they weren't Cooley recruits.

LaDontae Hinton was considered a three-star recruit, so I'll give credit to Cooley. Hinton was actually a Dayton commit, prior to coming to Providence. So, he wasn't chopped liver.

Cooley's first class where he could fully recruit....

Ricky Ledo -- Top 10 recruit/5-star (though, he never suited up)
Kris Dunn -- Top 20 recruit/5-star/McDonald's A-A
Josh Fortune -- 3-star

Cooley's second full class....

Brandon Austin -- Top 50 recruit/4-star (he never suited up/transferred)
Rodney Bullock -- Top 150 recruit/3-star (had offers from UMass, NC State, Miami, DePaul, and Va Tech)

Cooley's third full class.....

Paschal Chukwu -- Top 70 recruit/4-star
Jalen Lindsey -- Top 75 recruit/4-star
Ben Bentil -- Top 90 recruit/4-star
Kyron Cartwright -- 3-star recruit
Tyree Chambers -- Came from abroad (Germany)


By the way, Cooley is still trying to find his way, as Lavin is at St. John's. Cooley hasn't "built" anything yet, IMO. He's still building.

You said, Lavin "infrequently" gets top kids, right? Well, other than the 2014 class, he has gotten a top 50 (or better) kid to commit.

Based, on Cooley's record, he isn't doing any, better than Lavin. Actually, his record is worst. Cooley is also 3-3 versus St. John's since he took over at Providence.

By the way, how many 4-star kids are truly, under the radar? LOL Not many.... Very few.... If any, at all.

Keep thinking Cooley is putting out a team of "middling" players. Derosiers and Harris (the two transfers) were solid recruits out of high school. They're both experienced and playing up to their capabilities.

Cooley had a veteran-laden team last season, which was led by a point guard who played out of his mind. I'll give Cooley kudos for leading his team down the stretch. But let's not act like he's far and away the better coach. I don't see it.
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My two cents in this argument is that neither team has 'built' anything. Cooley has been a head coach for 8 years, and each year his record has been better then the previous season. So based on his teams improving each year, and the fact that Providence seems to be in a better situation for next year regarding players returning I would give him the nod over Lavin. I may be biased, but I would think that SJU should be an easier place to recruit.
 
Lavin taking it to Cooley in the coaching department. Not as easy for Cooley when he doesn't have a team that leads the nation in FT shooting % like last year.

Providence had 13 extra possessions but 13 less points at home. I don't Cooley is a bad coach, but it is puzzling to me how so many anit-Lavin posters are so positive about Cooley when there might not be a coach in the country more similar to Lavin.
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I'm not sure I agree but, your point has merit. Cooley has won the BE tournament. That alone puts him at a higher level than Lavin in my opinion. He's built a Program at PC, that was struggling and losing under Welsh and Davis..Yes, some of his recruits have been questionable or guilty of criminal activity but, we've had our issues too. Maybe not of the criminal type under Lavin but, in the past.

He seems to find kids who are under the radar, those 3-4 star kids and get them to come to PC. Providence is not NY. Steve aims for the stars but, only gets top kids infrequently. Cooley gets kids he can develop and has. He also gets some good transfers from top tier programs, DeRossiers and Harris, from Wake FOREST AND NCSTATE. Other than Branch, STEVE hasn't gotten that level of transfer. Guys who can start and play.
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I respect your opinion, but it seems somewhat flawed. Because a guy won a conference tournament, then he is considered to be a better coach, huh?

So, by your opinion, Cooley is a better coach than Jay Wright, right? Again, it's your opinion, and rather subjective.

Cooley seems to find kids under the radar, huh? Let's see for a second....

I'm gonna name recruits who have, at least, made a "splash" for Providence who Cooley recruited since he came to Providence. Bryce Cotton and Kadeem Batts was inherited, so they weren't Cooley recruits.

LaDontae Hinton was considered a three-star recruit, so I'll give credit to Cooley. Hinton was actually a Dayton commit, prior to coming to Providence. So, he wasn't chopped liver.

Cooley's first class where he could fully recruit....

Ricky Ledo -- Top 10 recruit/5-star (though, he never suited up)
Kris Dunn -- Top 20 recruit/5-star/McDonald's A-A
Josh Fortune -- 3-star

Cooley's second full class....

Brandon Austin -- Top 50 recruit/4-star (he never suited up/transferred)
Rodney Bullock -- Top 150 recruit/3-star (had offers from UMass, NC State, Miami, DePaul, and Va Tech)

Cooley's third full class.....

Paschal Chukwu -- Top 70 recruit/4-star
Jalen Lindsey -- Top 75 recruit/4-star
Ben Bentil -- Top 90 recruit/4-star
Kyron Cartwright -- 3-star recruit
Tyree Chambers -- Came from abroad (Germany)


By the way, Cooley is still trying to find his way, as Lavin is at St. John's. Cooley hasn't "built" anything yet, IMO. He's still building.

You said, Lavin "infrequently" gets top kids, right? Well, other than the 2014 class, he has gotten a top 50 (or better) kid to commit.

Based, on Cooley's record, he isn't doing any, better than Lavin. Actually, his record is worst. Cooley is also 3-3 versus St. John's since he took over at Providence.

By the way, how many 4-star kids are truly, under the radar? LOL Not many.... Very few.... If any, at all.

Keep thinking Cooley is putting out a team of "middling" players. Derosiers and Harris (the two transfers) were solid recruits out of high school. They're both experienced and playing up to their capabilities.

Cooley had a veteran-laden team last season, which was led by a point guard who played out of his mind. I'll give Cooley kudos for leading his team down the stretch. But let's not act like he's far and away the better coach. I don't see it.
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My two cents in this argument is that neither team has 'built' anything. Cooley has been a head coach for 8 years, and each year his record has been better then the previous season. So based on his teams improving each year, and the fact that Providence seems to be in a better situation for next year regarding players returning I would give him the nod over Lavin. I may be biased, but I would think that SJU should be an easier place to recruit.
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I, basically stated, neither team has "built" anything. I know Cooley's record has improved each time out (with the exception of his first season at Providence) since he's been a head coach. Lavin, at St. John's, record has also improved every season.

We're still not sure who is gonna return for St. John's. I know there is a high probability that we lose one, if not both, when it comes to Obekpa and Jordan. But say if both return.... Would you still give the nod to Cooley when it comes to returnees?

Personally, the only class where I believe Cooley has done a better job (than Lavin) was with the '14 class.

The '15 class still has a few more months before things are said and done.
 
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