We Should Play Cuse at Carnesecca Arena

[austour]

NYC fans are fickler than most. In Podunk where's there's nothing else to do true fans go watch losing seasons as well as winning seasons.

You're second paragraph is just ridiculously obvious in that STJ basketball is the only college sporting team that matters in NYC at all. Who else is going to attract non alum fans? Yeshiva's bowling team? NYU's mathletes? Basketball is a populous sport and STJ is still for now in a Power conference. Throw in the history and there's really no competition.

 

[beast of the east]

NYC fans are fickler than most. In Podunk where's there's nothing else to do true fans go watch losing seasons as well as winning seasons.

You're second paragraph is just ridiculously obvious in that STJ basketball is the only college sporting team that matters in NYC at all. Who else is going to attract non alum fans? Yeshiva's bowling team? NYU's mathletes? Basketball is a populous sport and STJ is still for now in a Power conference. Throw in the history and there's really no competition.

 

I'm comparing the claim from Syracuse that they are New York's team. I seriously doubt that Syracuse has as big a non-alumni following as SJU. They may be NYs best team in the Boeheim era, but not New York's team. SJU when winning is embraced by a large non alumni group, much bigger than Syracuse - that's the point.

 

[austour]

NYC fans are fickler than most. In Podunk where's there's nothing else to do true fans go watch losing seasons as well as winning seasons.

You're second paragraph is just ridiculously obvious in that STJ basketball is the only college sporting team that matters in NYC at all. Who else is going to attract non alum fans? Yeshiva's bowling team? NYU's mathletes? Basketball is a populous sport and STJ is still for now in a Power conference. Throw in the history and there's really no competition.

 

I'm comparing the claim from Syracuse that they are New York's team. I seriously doubt that Syracuse has as big a non-alumni following as SJU. They may be NYs best team in the Boeheim era, but not New York's team. SJU when winning is embraced by a large non alumni group, much bigger than Syracuse - that's the point.

 

Then why does every Duke game at MSG sell out?

 

[Section9]

your way off. There is no chance that we are out numbered by cuse fans at CA.

I guess you haven't been to any Syracuse games at MSG in the last ten years, because their fans outnumber ours, by a lot. :huh:

 

I think the BE tourney game last year was 50/50

 

That's because the other teams' fans we're all pulling for us to upset them, not because the place was half filled with our fans.

 

[Section9]

NYC fans are fickler than most. In Podunk where's there's nothing else to do true fans go watch losing seasons as well as winning seasons.

You're second paragraph is just ridiculously obvious in that STJ basketball is the only college sporting team that matters in NYC at all. Who else is going to attract non alum fans? Yeshiva's bowling team? NYU's mathletes? Basketball is a populous sport and STJ is still for now in a Power conference. Throw in the history and there's really no competition.

 

I'm comparing the claim from Syracuse that they are New York's team. I seriously doubt that Syracuse has as big a non-alumni following as SJU. They may be NYs best team in the Boeheim era, but not New York's team. SJU when winning is embraced by a large non alumni group, much bigger than Syracuse - that's the point.

 

Then why does every Duke game at MSG sell out?

 

Because some people like to root for winning teams with a rat-faced coach and a bunch of under-achieving white guys. B)

 

[1and1sju]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

I think our fans get bent out of shape over Syracuse saying they are NY's Team because if we're honest with ourselves there's a lot of truth to it. They're a perennial tournament team, have a hall-of-fame coach, a recent national championship, and a slew of pro alumni.

In ten years maybe we'll be able to say the same about our program, like we could in mid 80's (minus the NC, which we should've had). But, for now - Syracuse gets primetime ESPN - we're relegated to the deuce, Cuse's most prominent alumni is featured on a 10 story billboard across from the garden, and they are regularly a threat to win the BE Tourny ... they are NY's team at the moment.

 

[jetstorm]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

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Wrong!!

The kids we recruit want to play in front of cheering home crowds!
CA= packed cheering fans. Cuse fans out in the cold without tickets.
MSG= packed 50/50 at best crowd. Very impressive if you are recruiting for Cuse.

I am not saying don't play the Garden, it's our home away from home and does draw recruits, but we should never let the trators sniff the garden again!

Why don't we schedule BC at the Garden??

 

[1and1sju]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

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Wrong!!

The kids we recruit want to play in front of cheering home crowds!
CA= packed cheering fans. Cuse fans out in the cold without tickets.
MSG= packed 50/50 at best crowd. Very impressive if you are recruiting for Cuse.

I am not saying don't play the Garden, it's our home away from home and does draw recruits, but we should never let the trators sniff the garden again!

Why don't we schedule BC at the Garden??

 


Maybe because we don't play BC.....

and when we did, we played them on campus because they didn't draw.

 

[Northern Storm]

 I guess I dont really consider Syracuse, to be NY although they are technically part of this state, I always consider that part of Upstate to be Canada. as for claiming to be NYC's team, have you seen thetop of taxi cabs, or the add they took out in Times Square? Seems to me thats making a statment of trying to be NYC's team....

 

I always considered them to be Greenland's or Iceland's team.

 

[jetstorm]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

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Wrong!!

The kids we recruit want to play in front of cheering home crowds!
CA= packed cheering fans. Cuse fans out in the cold without tickets.
MSG= packed 50/50 at best crowd. Very impressive if you are recruiting for Cuse.

I am not saying don't play the Garden, it's our home away from home and does draw recruits, but we should never let the trators sniff the garden again!

Why don't we schedule BC at the Garden??

 


Maybe because we don't play BC.....

and when we did, we played them on campus because they didn't draw.

 

Missed point again!
We do not play them because they left the Big East and we often played them at the Garden when they were in the Big East!

I hope we do not schedule Cuse, VW, and Pitt once they are gone!

 

[SJUFAN2]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

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Wrong!!

The kids we recruit want to play in front of cheering home crowds!
CA= packed cheering fans. Cuse fans out in the cold without tickets.
MSG= packed 50/50 at best crowd. Very impressive if you are recruiting for Cuse.

I am not saying don't play the Garden, it's our home away from home and does draw recruits, but we should never let the trators sniff the garden again!

Why don't we schedule BC at the Garden??

 


Maybe because we don't play BC.....

and when we did, we played them on campus because they didn't draw.

 

Syracuse and Pitt have decided to leave the Big East. We should NEVER play them at MSG outside of a tournament.... EVER.

We'd be better served giving up the one or two paydays we'll get from those games before they leave to begin to build different rivalries that could pack the garden in the future.

Plainly put...they don't deserve to play at MSG on our dime and we don't need the money that badly that we have to think short term revenues over long term revenues.

 

[jetstorm]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

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Wrong!!

The kids we recruit want to play in front of cheering home crowds!
CA= packed cheering fans. Cuse fans out in the cold without tickets.
MSG= packed 50/50 at best crowd. Very impressive if you are recruiting for Cuse.

I am not saying don't play the Garden, it's our home away from home and does draw recruits, but we should never let the trators sniff the garden again!

Why don't we schedule BC at the Garden??

 


Maybe because we don't play BC.....

and when we did, we played them on campus because they didn't draw.

 

Syracuse and Pitt have decided to leave the Big East. We should NEVER play them at MSG outside of a tournament.... EVER.

We'd be better served giving up the one or two paydays we'll get from those games before they leave to begin to build different rivalries that could pack the garden in the future.

Plainly put...they don't deserve to play at MSG on our dime and we don't need the money that badly that we have to think short term revenues over long term revenues.

 

Amen Brother!!!!

 

[Section3]

I have felt this way for years now, with them thinking they are NY's team. But i always caved to the arguement that we needed the paycheck, and had to suffer through the Cuse home game at MSG. But now with them leaving the Big East I see no reason why we should give them the benefit of playing at MSG put the game at CA and play DePaul or Prov at MSG.


check it out, Cuse is the 8th closest school to NYC in the Big East. How are they NY's team? If you are NY's team do you really have to have an advertizement campaign to say so?

Distance from NYC
School Miles Hours Minutes
St Johns 0 0 0
Seton Hall 17 0 32
Rutgers 40 0 53
Villanova 105 1 56
UConn 142 2 54
Providence 180 3 34
Georgetown 232 4 21
Cuse 248 4 22

 

Seton Hall and Rutgers are in New Jersey, not New York. Nova is in Pennsylvania. Providence is in Rhode Island. UConn speaks for itself. Georgetown is in DC. I don't see any of those schools claiming to be NY's team....well because they aren't in New York. Your little chart of distance and time is completely irrelevant to your argument, or to anything else for that matter.

And like someone said earlier, Cuse said they are New York's team, not NYC's team. Sorry but life does exist in New York outside of NYC. And going off of their recent successes, and them being ranked number 1 in the country right now, I would definitely say that currently they are New York's team.

Also, why on earth would we play them at CA? That's just bad business, and would be really dumb on our administrations part. That game is one of the biggest games of the year (crowd wise). You make it sound like having it at CA is going to give us such a huge home court advantage.....but its not. We are going to be outnumbered in fans, regardless of where the game is played at. Why not have it at the bigger arena and make as much money as possible... 

 

You make valid points re: "bad business" but there is no way that Syracuse would ever have more fans at CA...

 

[Section3]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

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Wrong!!

The kids we recruit want to play in front of cheering home crowds!
CA= packed cheering fans. Cuse fans out in the cold without tickets.
MSG= packed 50/50 at best crowd. Very impressive if you are recruiting for Cuse.

I am not saying don't play the Garden, it's our home away from home and does draw recruits, but we should never let the trators sniff the garden again!

Why don't we schedule BC at the Garden??

 

A number of years ago (during the Manetta AD years) we somehow limited the # of tix available to UCONN fans (details escape me at the moment...just remember they were not happy

 

[marco]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

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Wrong!!

The kids we recruit want to play in front of cheering home crowds!
CA= packed cheering fans. Cuse fans out in the cold without tickets.
MSG= packed 50/50 at best crowd. Very impressive if you are recruiting for Cuse.

I am not saying don't play the Garden, it's our home away from home and does draw recruits, but we should never let the trators sniff the garden again!

Why don't we schedule BC at the Garden??

 


Maybe because we don't play BC.....

and when we did, we played them on campus because they didn't draw.

 

Syracuse and Pitt have decided to leave the Big East. We should NEVER play them at MSG outside of a tournament.... EVER.

We'd be better served giving up the one or two paydays we'll get from those games before they leave to begin to build different rivalries that could pack the garden in the future.

Plainly put...they don't deserve to play at MSG on our dime and we don't need the money that badly that we have to think short term revenues over long term revenues.

 

first of all who are the the future rivals that are going to pack the garden? second of all cuse and pitt arent playing on our dime by coming to msg. and i guess that st. johns doesnt need the money because they charge 35k a year
tuition

 

[mjmaherjr]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

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Wrong!!

The kids we recruit want to play in front of cheering home crowds!
CA= packed cheering fans. Cuse fans out in the cold without tickets.
MSG= packed 50/50 at best crowd. Very impressive if you are recruiting for Cuse.

I am not saying don't play the Garden, it's our home away from home and does draw recruits, but we should never let the trators sniff the garden again!

Why don't we schedule BC at the Garden??

 

A number of years ago (during the Manetta AD years) we somehow limited the # of tix available to UCONN fans (details escape me at the moment...just remember they were not happy

 They did a criminal background check. If convicted or anything misdemeanor or above you couldn't get in.

Was a great idea and severely hampered the Uconvict crowd

 

[1and1sju]

Playing 'Cuse at CA is stupid. They're one of our biggest draws all season, the kids we recruit want to play in front of big crowds at MSG.

.

 

Wrong!!

The kids we recruit want to play in front of cheering home crowds!
CA= packed cheering fans. Cuse fans out in the cold without tickets.
MSG= packed 50/50 at best crowd. Very impressive if you are recruiting for Cuse.

I am not saying don't play the Garden, it's our home away from home and does draw recruits, but we should never let the trators sniff the garden again!

Why don't we schedule BC at the Garden??

 


Maybe because we don't play BC.....

and when we did, we played them on campus because they didn't draw.

 

Syracuse and Pitt have decided to leave the Big East. We should NEVER play them at MSG outside of a tournament.... EVER.

We'd be better served giving up the one or two paydays we'll get from those games before they leave to begin to build different rivalries that could pack the garden in the future.

Plainly put...they don't deserve to play at MSG on our dime and we don't need the money that badly that we have to think short term revenues over long term revenues.

 

first of all who are the the future rivals that are going to pack the garden? second of all cuse and pitt arent playing on our dime by coming to msg. and i guess that st. johns doesnt need the money because they charge 35k a year
tuition

 

Bingo!
Plus, why would you deprive SJU fans of seeing one of their traditional rivals at MSG? That's our biggest stage. They're the number 1 team in the country right now, a longtime rival, and practically guarantee a sellout of MSG, we're not playing them on campus. The administration/coaching staff will never do that.

Now - after they leave the Big East, the question of whether we should continue to schedule them or not is a valid one.
Personally I hope we do. I enjoy the rivalry, and while it's traitorous that they're leaving, I would schedule a home-and-home with them from time to time.

 

[MCNPA]

 Looks like opponents don't always buy more tickets tan SJU fans. Spot the Pitt fans... For those who think we can't draw, we can. We need to get to the point where we're a big name and consistently good again and any other top opponents will draw like this. I actually favor using "ticketgate" again with schools like Cuse. Make Cuse fans buy one of the mini SJU ticket plans if they want to attend a SJU vs Pitt game. It worked great with Uconn in the past and I think Georgetown does it to Cuse in some form now. Make the Cuse game part of a packages. If they want their claim to NY's team, then they need to pay Lavin's salary and support NYC's team... :cheer:

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[SJUFAN2]

first of all who are the the future rivals that are going to pack the garden? second of all cuse and pitt arent playing on our dime by coming to msg. and i guess that st. johns doesnt need the money because they charge 35k a year
tuition

 

First things first: Those rivals have yet to be developed. If they were easy to spot then you'd have your answer already, wouldn't you? The Simple answer is to put the Rutgers/Seton Hall/Providence games there and work on developing them. Their continued success would benefit us as well. Besides, if the Football and Basketball teams ever split, we'll need those schools to be as strong as possible.

Cuse and Pitt are gone. Get over it. Start planning for the future and stop living in the past.

Secondly...when teams play us at MSG (outside of the BE tournament) it IS on our dime. Its one of OUR home games. Why on god's green earth would you want to waste a valuable asset like an MSG home game of ours on ANY program that stabbed us in the back on its way to a selfish money grab that could ultimately lead to our complete irrelevance as a basketball program?

Screw Pitt. Screw Cuse. They made choices that will benefit them. We'd be beyond stupid not to do the same when it comes to dealing with them.

Finally...sure...we could use the money. A school like St Johns can ALWAYS use the money. But this is a different era. There is more money going into this program (and therefore the university) than ever before. We could USE the extra couple of hundred K but its not going to kill us if we pass on it once or twice over the next couple of years.

 

[SJUFAN2]

Bingo!
Plus, why would you deprive SJU fans of seeing one of their traditional rivals at MSG? That's our biggest stage. They're the number 1 team in the country right now, a longtime rival, and practically guarantee a sellout of MSG, we're not playing them on campus. The administration/coaching staff will never do that.

Now - after they leave the Big East, the question of whether we should continue to schedule them or not is a valid one.
Personally I hope we do. I enjoy the rivalry, and while it's traitorous that they're leaving, I would schedule a home-and-home with them from time to time.

 

Why? Because they tried to kill this program...along with the rest of the big east.

They are Fredo from the Godfather movies.

If you want to keep acting like they didn't by giving them a recruiting platform in our back yard then you are sorely misguided.

Fu@k Syracuse and Pitt.