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I caught some shrapnel by responding indirectly about Jenkins in this thread, but I truly didn’t have a problem with his performance. 9 shots is amazing and he didn’t dribble the air out of the ball. I’ll sign for that the rest of the way.

He took 4 dumb shots in this game. The step-back 3 brick you mentioned and another 2 pt jumper were almost comical.

If you think a 30% shooter taking a 3 off the bounce from beyond the NBA 3 is not a bad shot, then I think you and half this forum just fundamentally disagree on what constitutes a bad shot.

The thing that irks me about Jenkins is how the hell is your bomb a better shot than almost anything else we could get? Look at the position Joel had on that? Bro! He was 7-8 and everyone knew he was locked in.

Then, look at Luis play you accurately described. There wasn’t a single person watching that didn’t know Jenkins was taking that shot. You can see the actual moment Luis realized. His defender isn’t even looking at Luis but Jenkins has already decided he’s shooting it and missed a wide open cut to the basket.

The third photo is Jenkins shooting 7 feet from behind the three-pt line with 17 seconds on the shot clock😂 This is a kid that shot 24.6%, 23.3% and 30.1% from 3 in his three seasons above the MAAC. If this is Ponds, let it rip baby. But Jenkins?

Taylor hasn’t taken a single bad shot all season and he’s shooting 43.6% from 3. Jenkins took 4 bad shots in one game. They are nearly identical shooters to me. Why does one not settle for bad shots while the other shoots with no concern about the situation?
So I have a question for you. Why are Joel Soriano and Rick Pitino both demanding Jenkins to shoot more after he clanked those 3s in the first half?

The answer is because Joel and Rick both understand that we need our guards to produce from the perimeter to open up the rest of our offense (Joel post ups, offensive rebounding)

If we can’t produce from the perimeter, teams are gonna treat us like the New York Giants, stack the box, don’t let Barkley beat you, and the rest will fall into place.

The numbers from Dingle, Alleyne, Jenkins and Wilcher leave a lot to be desired so far in terms of shooting, but I don’t think the answer is stop trying.

Jenkins was 1-5 from 3 the other night, anyone realize that means he had our best 3pt shooting from a guard in the whole game? (dingle 0-5) (Wilcher 0-0)

Are we supposed to just give up on shooting 3s? Or just trust dingle will get it together so give him all of Jenkins shots?

Jenkins does take a couple bad shots a game but we can’t just punt on our guards ever producing offense from the perimeter. You yourself have noted how great it is when we have Joel, ledlum and Luis all down there fighting for rebounds. For that to happen, sometimes a shot has to go up from one of our guards. If Jenkins the one to do it so be it
 
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I always felt that FAN never gave Mink enough Air Time . He was capable of so much more than just giving the 20 minute updates .
In his interview with BT and Sal, Mink mentioned that he hosted the morning show for about 3 weeks, in between Greg Gumbel's firing, and Don Imus coming on board (so late 80s).

By his tone, I got the impression (I may be wrong) that it wasn't a great experience for him.
 
1. It seems only fair that if Jenkins controls the ball 75% of the time and takes 50% of the shots that he gets a proportional amount of attention here.

2. Marillac2 may be as prone to hyperbole as Marillac1 was, but IMHO (and others) he is absolutely directionally correct about Jenkins.

3. You aren't wrong that repeating the same thing over and over = spamming the site, but I don't think a documented analysis of someone's performance in a game falls remotely into that category. I have to say, one of several reasons for my sabbatical from the site is that so much of the discourse had become tiresome repetition and personality conflicts - and that the feel has been completely different recently. But one thing that could send the place back into a downward spiral is calling out or subtweeting other posters. If you don't like / agree with a post, ignore it or respond to it as you choose. I think you may even be able to mute a poster if you find them THAT annoying (not sure, I haven't played with all of the tools in this version, but I think I've heard that).

4. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they don't get their own facts. Facts that someone finds inconvenient for their argument are still ... facts. But of course there are always contrary facts and opinions.

5. Live and let live, kumbaya, puff the magic dragon, and all that jazz.
I will say this about Jenkins, and don't disagree btw with any of the (a) kudos or (b) criticism he gets here:

Every single one of our guys refers to him as the "leader" in interviews. This isn't a Pitino-driven thing, because all the kids have done it at various points during the year. Soriano. Alleyne. Dingle the other day. Wilcher.
 
In his interview with BT and Sal, Mink mentioned that he hosted the morning show for about 3 weeks, in between Greg Gumbel's firing, and Don Imus coming on board (so late 80s).

By his tone, I got the impression (I may be wrong) that it wasn't a great experience for him.
Have a few friends who worked over there during the years one of my buddies fortunate to be doing his own thing. Got into R&W to catch the tail end of Mink speaking. Mink is a good guy it’s unfortunate what FAN is now.
 
I've gotten there with Daniss Jenkins and getting there with Julius Randle (albeit for two SUPER different reasons). Both are frustrating players and come with good & bad, but both are pivotal to the team's success. Just enjoy the ride.
 
The bottom line here is statistically you just can’t justify what Jenkins is doing. And the last couple games it has appeared that even Pitino who clearly has a blind spot for him is getting frustrated.
 
Have a few friends who worked over there during the years one of my buddies fortunate to be doing his own thing. Got into R&W to catch the tail end of Mink speaking. Mink is a good guy it’s unfortunate what FAN is now.
I have shared this here before, I got to know John fairly well after coaching against him for several years in the UGals, a Northern NJ girls softball league in the late 90’s, early 2000’s. Simply, just one of the nicest people I have ever met.
 
Ponds didn’t exactly light it up from three either, particularly after his freshman year. I think he shot it below 30 percent his sophomore year.
Ponds third year in college .45, .35, .84 5.5 trips to the llne per game, 4.1 boards, 5.1 assists, 2.6 steals, 2.0 turnovers, 2.0 fouls

Jenkins fifth year in college to date - .41, .30, .78,, 3.9 boards, 5.8 assists, 1.9 trips to the line per game 1.4 steals, 2.5 turnovers, 2.6 fouls.

Pitino will tell you Jenkins plays better defense but outside of that I don't see how you can even compare them as players.

I am not passing judgement on Jenkins overall, I just don't understand this boards dislike of Ponds.
 
Jenkins is the point guard
But yes Luis shot selection is poor too
I know I'm going to get savaged for this but some of Luis' shot selections remind me of Jones last year, taking quick ill advised 3s and drives into traffic. At one point in the second half he jacked up a quick long range 3, Rick ran down the sidelines and yanked him.

I think RJ's got loads of talent and I'm glad he's here, but he needs some discipline.
 
I know I'm going to get savaged for this but some of Luis' shot selections remind me of Jones last year, taking quick ill advised 3s and drives into traffic. At one point in the second half he jacked up a quick long range 3, Rick ran down the sidelines and yanked him.

I think RJ's got loads of talent and I'm glad he's here, but he needs some discipline.
Agree, but I also fear going too far in the other direction with that.

Explosiveness is a big part of his game. I don't want him losing that completely.
 
I know I'm going to get savaged for this but some of Luis' shot selections remind me of Jones last year, taking quick ill advised 3s and drives into traffic. At one point in the second half he jacked up a quick long range 3, Rick ran down the sidelines and yanked him.

I think RJ's got loads of talent and I'm glad he's here, but he needs some discipline.
No savaging from me lol. I watch talented RJ as closely as you can on TV. He tends to rush things a bit and frankly seems frustrated at times when not getting ball. When he does imo, you know the ball is going up and sometimes forced.

Hopefully they run some stuff regularly for him and when he does not get the ball remains patient and keeps moving to generate better passes. We need him at both ends.
 
I have shared this here before, I got to know John fairly well after coaching against him for several years in the UGals, a Northern NJ girls softball league in the late 90’s, early 2000’s. Simply, just one of the nicest people I have ever met.
Talking about Minko has got me thinking back to Bob Sheppard , the Yankee PA Announcer for over 50 years and a St John’s Speech Professor at one time .

I think it was in the 80’s that Bob/ a/k/a Voice of God , did some BB games as our PA Announcer .
I seem to recall it might have been in the MulBerry era .

Nobody could do PA Announcing like Bob Sheppard . But , I also liked John Condon who was MSG PA Announcer for many years .

John would announce the player who scored the basket and also the score . Terrific way he had presenting it .

He would say “ that was Chris Mullin , St John’s leads 40-36. “
 
No clue how this guy gets to troll every thread by trashing Jenkins. Its really unnecessary and annoying. Just go follow Butler and drop the Jenkins nonsense.
I always felt that FAN never gave Mink enough Air Time . He was capable of so much more than just giving the 20 minute updates .

Just a aside , I am a big Bill Rafferty fan too. I enjoy our games so much more when he gets to be the Color Analyst on TV .

He has lots of great stories about BE BB that he interjects into his commentary at times . He loves Louie stories .

I am a White Sox fan. Obviously, I enjoy suffering, as I am a diehard Johnnie.

Jason Benetti, who worked the White Sox TV commentary ,last year, with ,Steve Stone,
is the cleverest and most intelligent out there.
I love Bill Rafferty and together I think they are dynamite
.
Jason lost his baseball job last year as ownership thought he was too funny.
Well bad is turning to good as Jason is a star.
 
Ponds didn’t exactly light it up from three either, particularly after his freshman year. I think he shot it below 30 percent his sophomore year.
Ponds shot 37.5% as a frosh and 35.3% as a junior from 3. Sadly, he had no senior year or 5th year or it would have just been insane.

His soph shooting struggles were the result of horrendous shot selection. He was double-teamed almost every game and he was shooting off the bounce far too much.

Lovett left the team that year in November don’t forget, and LJ didn’t come until the following year to help shoulder the scoring load. That team was ranked 290th in 3 pt shooting, 248th in FG%, 237th in assists and 284th in offensive rebounding. He didn’t have Soriano, Luis, and Ledlum.
 
So I have a question for you. Why are Joel Soriano and Rick Pitino both demanding Jenkins to shoot more after he clanked those 3s in the first half?

The answer is because Joel and Rick both understand that we need our guards to produce from the perimeter to open up the rest of our offense (Joel post ups, offensive rebounding)

If we can’t produce from the perimeter, teams are gonna treat us like the New York Giants, stack the box, don’t let Barkley beat you, and the rest will fall into place.

The numbers from Dingle, Alleyne, Jenkins and Wilcher leave a lot to be desired so far in terms of shooting, but I don’t think the answer is stop trying.

Jenkins was 1-5 from 3 the other night, anyone realize that means he had our best 3pt shooting from a guard in the whole game? (dingle 0-5) (Wilcher 0-0)

Are we supposed to just give up on shooting 3s? Or just trust dingle will get it together so give him all of Jenkins shots?

Jenkins does take a couple bad shots a game but we can’t just punt on our guards ever producing offense from the perimeter. You yourself have noted how great it is when we have Joel, Soriano and Luis all down there fighting for rebounds. For that to happen, sometimes a shot has to go up from one of our guards. If Jenkins the one to do it so be it
I was sitting right behind a guy who claimed to be Rick's nephew. Even in his ineppriated state, he said enough stuff to make me think he was telling the truth.

Amongst the things he said to me(I'm paraphrasing) were "I was at practice yesterday and I can't even count the number of times my Uncle screamed at the kids about taking 3s if they get anything close to an open look. He particularly screamed at Joel for not talking more 3s".

Assuming he is actually Rick's nephew and was actually at practice, that may be why we see the kids hoisting up so many 3s. I don't recall seeing Rick pulling many kids after they took a bad 3, so it seems to me that it's all part of Rick's game plan.

Anyhow, great to finally meet you at the game, and funny running in to you outside MSG after the game.
 
I know I'm going to get savaged for this but some of Luis' shot selections remind me of Jones last year, taking quick ill advised 3s and drives into traffic. At one point in the second half he jacked up a quick long range 3, Rick ran down the sidelines and yanked him.

I think RJ's got loads of talent and I'm glad he's here, but he needs some discipline.
There is a similarity but RJ has so much more
talent and CRP will get the best out of him

I think that down the road, a little, we are going to hear
RJ and GREAT said together many times
You think Joel is a core player--just stay healthy --RJ.
 
Ponds third year in college .45, .35, .84 5.5 trips to the llne per game, 4.1 boards, 5.1 assists, 2.6 steals, 2.0 turnovers, 2.0 fouls

Jenkins fifth year in college to date - .41, .30, .78,, 3.9 boards, 5.8 assists, 1.9 trips to the line per game 1.4 steals, 2.5 turnovers, 2.6 fouls.

Pitino will tell you Jenkins plays better defense but outside of that I don't see how you can even compare them as players.

I am not passing judgement on Jenkins overall, I just don't understand this boards dislike of Ponds.
Agree 100 percent about Ponds not getting the respect his Career Numbers show . He was essentially the Player that every team targeted for the 3 years he played here .
He had to carry the Offense as Simon and Clark could barely throw paper towels in the trash basket .
Plus , he had to play both , PG and SG .

I thought he was exciting to watch and was our best player for the entirety of his time here .

Easily the best player we have had in the last 20 years . Champ would be 2 nd . In my opinion .
 
Talking about Minko has got me thinking back to Bob Sheppard , the Yankee PA Announcer for over 50 years and a St John’s Speech Professor at one time .

I think it was in the 80’s that Bob/ a/k/a Voice of God , did some BB games as our PA Announcer .
I seem to recall it might have been in the MulBerry era .

Nobody could do PA Announcing like Bob Sheppard . But , I also liked John Condon who was MSG PA Announcer for many years .

John would announce the player who scored the basket and also the score . Terrific way he had presenting it .

He would say “ that was Chris Mullin , St John’s leads 40-36. “
Funny that you should reply to my post with a Bob Sheppard story because I also have one. I worked years ago with an engineer who was a SERIOUS FANATICAL DIE HARD Yankee fan, I mean a legit live or die absolute nut!! We remain friends to this day.
His fiancée wrote Sheppard asking if he would accept an invitation to the wedding and introduce the wedding party “Yankee player introduction style”, for which she would pay whatever fee he would charge for the public appearance. He replied he couldn’t attend but would be glad to record the intros free of charge, which he did superbly. Blew John away when it played and Natalie has been forced to listen to it every year since on their anniversary.
 
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