USF Game.

i think some of you are being way to optimistic! None of these guys can shoot! NONE !! They could not break 50 points tonight. Harrison was said to be one of the best shooters in the country YEA OK! I believe if Pelle and Sampson were here we still would of SUCKED because no one can shoot! By adding a couple of guys i don't see us being any much better. Some of you guys are saying Gathers being here will change the team a lot.. How are you so sure? he will be a freshman just like our guys are now and our freshmen stink. i hate to say it but im being honest. from what i saw in Gathers highlight videos all he did was dunk, is that whats going to change this program? HELL NO wee need SHOOTERS who play Defense. I read this site because i live and die STJ but some of you are just not realistic and are setting yourself up for a let down.
 
i think some of you are being way to optimistic! None of these guys can shoot! NONE !! They could not break 50 points tonight. Harrison was said to be one of the best shooters in the country YEA OK! I believe if Pelle and Sampson were here we still would of SUCKED because no one can shoot! By adding a couple of guys i don't see us being any much better. Some of you guys are saying Gathers being here will change the team a lot.. How are you so sure? he will be a freshman just like our guys are now and our freshmen stink. i hate to say it but im being honest. from what i saw in Gathers highlight videos all he did was dunk, is that whats going to change this program? HELL NO wee need SHOOTERS who play Defense. I read this site because i live and die STJ but some of you are just not realistic and are setting yourself up for a let down.
 

To say our freshmen stink is idiotic. We have 2 of the best 3 freshmen in the league in Harkless and Harrison. The others are coming along at different rates. Look at how Malik Waayns is turning on the gas now, but was not a superstar freshman. Give these kids time and they will get a lot better. The unrealistic ones are the guys expecting a team of freshmen to be polished and all be ready for big east winning. That's an absurd expectation. Truth is that none of these kids stink. Certainly they have a lot of work to do. Look how Norms guys finished 3rd in the big easy last year. It took a few years and a good staff to get them there.
 
i think some of you are being way to optimistic! None of these guys can shoot! NONE !! They could not break 50 points tonight. Harrison was said to be one of the best shooters in the country YEA OK! I believe if Pelle and Sampson were here we still would of SUCKED because no one can shoot! By adding a couple of guys i don't see us being any much better. Some of you guys are saying Gathers being here will change the team a lot.. How are you so sure? he will be a freshman just like our guys are now and our freshmen stink. i hate to say it but im being honest. from what i saw in Gathers highlight videos all he did was dunk, is that whats going to change this program? HELL NO wee need SHOOTERS who play Defense. I read this site because i live and die STJ but some of you are just not realistic and are setting yourself up for a let down.
 

Harrison and Mo are 2 legit scorers. Problem is we have no scoring after that. Next year, we need to have a 3rd scorer on the court with them. Who will that be?
 
 What's more idiotic my assessment of this team or some of the guys on here assessment of GG at the start of the season? Saying he is an NbA talent when he was playing lesser teams.. Gtown plays mostly freshman and they wooped us. Honestly that #3 recruit class was a total lie unless the two that are not here are really that good...
 
 What's more idiotic my assessment of this team or some of the guys on here assessment of GG at the start of the season? Saying he is an NbA talent when he was playing lesser teams.. Gtown plays mostly freshman and they wooped us. Honestly that #3 recruit class was a total lie unless the two that are not here are really that good...
 

G'town plays mostly freshmen? LOL Another uninformed poster. The only freshman that logged a ton of minutes was Otto Porter. Sims and Clark are seniors; Thompson is a junior; and Lubick and Starks are sophomores. Wow! A bunch of freshmen, huh? :huh: 
 
 What's more idiotic my assessment of this team or some of the guys on here assessment of GG at the start of the season? Saying he is an NbA talent when he was playing lesser teams.. Gtown plays mostly freshman and they wooped us. Honestly that #3 recruit class was a total lie unless the two that are not here are really that good...
 

Enoigh with Georgetown. Their top 3 players are 2 seniors (Clark, Sims) and a junior (Hollis). Those guys have experience. Yes, they also have some nice freshmen and their size killed us.
 
i think some of you are being way to optimistic! None of these guys can shoot! NONE !! They could not break 50 points tonight. Harrison was said to be one of the best shooters in the country YEA OK! I believe if Pelle and Sampson were here we still would of SUCKED because no one can shoot! By adding a couple of guys i don't see us being any much better. Some of you guys are saying Gathers being here will change the team a lot.. How are you so sure? he will be a freshman just like our guys are now and our freshmen stink. i hate to say it but im being honest. from what i saw in Gathers highlight videos all he did was dunk, is that whats going to change this program? HELL NO wee need SHOOTERS who play Defense. I read this site because i live and die STJ but some of you are just not realistic and are setting yourself up for a let down.
 

This idea that our guys can't shoot for their lives isn't entirely accurate. Our guys have frequently, and predictably for freshmen, exhibited absolutely awful shot selection. You can't expect them to have good shooting %s when they're regularly throwing up prayers with the shot clock expiring.

With that said; there's clearly room for improvement in the games of guys like Garrett and Dom. But that will improve with practice, conditioning, and better looks.
 
 Dion waiters at Cuse averaged 6.6pts 1.6 Rebs as a freshman. Pretty sure he doesn't suck now.
 
i think some of you are being way to optimistic! None of these guys can shoot! NONE !! They could not break 50 points tonight. Harrison was said to be one of the best shooters in the country YEA OK! I believe if Pelle and Sampson were here we still would of SUCKED because no one can shoot! By adding a couple of guys i don't see us being any much better. Some of you guys are saying Gathers being here will change the team a lot.. How are you so sure? he will be a freshman just like our guys are now and our freshmen stink. i hate to say it but im being honest. from what i saw in Gathers highlight videos all he did was dunk, is that whats going to change this program? HELL NO wee need SHOOTERS who play Defense. I read this site because i live and die STJ but some of you are just not realistic and are setting yourself up for a let down.
 

This idea that our guys can't shoot for their lives isn't entirely accurate. Our guys have frequently, and predictably for freshmen, exhibited absolutely awful shot selection. You can't expect them to have good shooting %s when they're regularly throwing up prayers with the shot clock expiring.

With that said; there's clearly room for improvement in the games of guys like Garrett and Dom. But that will improve with practice, conditioning, and better looks.
 

100% correct. Shot selection is our biggest problem right now, and recognizing when we have a shot vs zone defenses instead of hesitating.
 
Can we blame this season on Norm as well since he recruited in a way that whether he would have stayed or not he would have had to rebuild an entire team in one season, hence having all freshmen as opposed to a balance of upperclassmen with experience playing and underclassmen learning and training.
 
Can we blame this season on Norm as well since he recruited in a way that whether he would have stayed or not he would have had to rebuild an entire team in one season, hence having all freshmen as opposed to a balance of upperclassmen with experience playing and underclassmen learning and training.
 

If you like... I wouldn't go that far, but it was a daunting task to rebuild. The rewards will be reaped starting next year though.
 
 What's more idiotic my assessment of this team or some of the guys on here assessment of GG at the start of the season? Saying he is an NbA talent when he was playing lesser teams.. Gtown plays mostly freshman and they wooped us. Honestly that #3 recruit class was a total lie unless the two that are not here are really that good...
 

Are you part of that secret cult of fans who specialize in negative posts, fabricated stories (GG an NBA talent), (Gtown plays mostly frosh), etc. Newsflash brainless...that #3 recruiting class never arrived....only half did! And that NBA talent that was supposed to be the next coming of Allah Iverson transferred before New Year's Eve.
I am not sure how many negative posters here have migrated from Johnny Jungle or Big East Boards but the above post is truly written in the traditional "we suck" style of Marco Baldi, Real Fan, Poison, Illwill 1,2 and 3 and is infecting even loyal and knowledgeable posters here......you know who you are!
We can compare this team of 5 inexperienced freshmen and 1 junior college transfer to Duke, Uconn, Syracuse and Marquette until you puke but there is no comparison other than for those of you old enough to remember a comparison between Mel Davis and Billy Schaeffer's freshman team that was the best in America in 1969 to them playing UCLA, Marquette or Syracuse that year and having even the slightest chance of beating them......lol!
That these frosh have already beaten Cincy and Providence is a big accomplishment. That they did not lose by 33 points as did the #3 team in the nation as UNC did with 6 Mickey D all-Americans is a miracle.
Maybe these freshmen of ours will beat Villanova Saturday and win their 3rd Big East game as freshmen. That would be a positive.
But some of the cultists here will still be unimpressed. I am sure those fans are also fans of cult leader Mitt Romney and are really Latter Day Saint John's fans who hide their $$ in the Cayman Islands and think John Smith and his 18 wives was the last true prophet.
 
 Dion waiters at Cuse averaged 6.6pts 1.6 Rebs as a freshman. Pretty sure he doesn't suck now.
 

how many minutes did he average per game compared to our guys who are putting up similiar numbers at 30+ minutes a game?
 
 What's more idiotic my assessment of this team or some of the guys on here assessment of GG at the start of the season? Saying he is an NbA talent when he was playing lesser teams.. Gtown plays mostly freshman and they wooped us. Honestly that #3 recruit class was a total lie unless the two that are not here are really that good...
 

Are you part of that secret cult of fans who specialize in negative posts, fabricated stories (GG an NBA talent), (Gtown plays mostly frosh), etc. Newsflash brainless...that #3 recruiting class never arrived....only half did! And that NBA talent that was supposed to be the next coming of Allah Iverson transferred before New Year's Eve.
I am not sure how many negative posters here have migrated from Johnny Jungle or Big East Boards but the above post is truly written in the traditional "we suck" style of Marco Baldi, Real Fan, Poison, Illwill 1,2 and 3 and is infecting even loyal and knowledgeable posters here......you know who you are!
We can compare this team of 5 inexperienced freshmen and 1 junior college transfer to Duke, Uconn, Syracuse and Marquette until you puke but there is no comparison other than for those of you old enough to remember a comparison between Mel Davis and Billy Schaeffer's freshman team that was the best in America in 1969 to them playing UCLA, Marquette or Syracuse that year and having even the slightest chance of beating them......lol!
That these frosh have already beaten Cincy and Providence is a big accomplishment. That they did not lose by 33 points as did the #3 team in the nation as UNC did with 6 Mickey D all-Americans is a miracle.
Maybe these freshmen of ours will beat Villanova Saturday and win their 3rd Big East game as freshmen. That would be a positive.
But some of the cultists here will still be unimpressed. I am sure those fans are also fans of cult leader Mitt Romney and are really Latter Day Saint John's fans who hide their $$ in the Cayman Islands and think John Smith and his 18 wives was the last true prophet.
 


Truley a sickening post. How you or anyone could watch last nights game and not be completely embarassed and dissapointed says more about you than the realistic posters who realize the shape we're in.
 
 What's more idiotic my assessment of this team or some of the guys on here assessment of GG at the start of the season? Saying he is an NbA talent when he was playing lesser teams.. Gtown plays mostly freshman and they wooped us. Honestly that #3 recruit class was a total lie unless the two that are not here are really that good...
 

Are you part of that secret cult of fans who specialize in negative posts, fabricated stories (GG an NBA talent), (Gtown plays mostly frosh), etc. Newsflash brainless...that #3 recruiting class never arrived....only half did! And that NBA talent that was supposed to be the next coming of Allah Iverson transferred before New Year's Eve.
I am not sure how many negative posters here have migrated from Johnny Jungle or Big East Boards but the above post is truly written in the traditional "we suck" style of Marco Baldi, Real Fan, Poison, Illwill 1,2 and 3 and is infecting even loyal and knowledgeable posters here......you know who you are!
We can compare this team of 5 inexperienced freshmen and 1 junior college transfer to Duke, Uconn, Syracuse and Marquette until you puke but there is no comparison other than for those of you old enough to remember a comparison between Mel Davis and Billy Schaeffer's freshman team that was the best in America in 1969 to them playing UCLA, Marquette or Syracuse that year and having even the slightest chance of beating them......lol!
That these frosh have already beaten Cincy and Providence is a big accomplishment. That they did not lose by 33 points as did the #3 team in the nation as UNC did with 6 Mickey D all-Americans is a miracle.
Maybe these freshmen of ours will beat Villanova Saturday and win their 3rd Big East game as freshmen. That would be a positive.
But some of the cultists here will still be unimpressed. I am sure those fans are also fans of cult leader Mitt Romney and are really Latter Day Saint John's fans who hide their $$ in the Cayman Islands and think John Smith and his 18 wives was the last true prophet.
 

Hey, poor Mitt got stuck paying 15% in taxes. Give him a break. The GOP mantra this year has been giving more money to the rich so they invest it and create jobs. I wonder how many Mitt created? Oh but he enjoys firing people and Newt thinks the protestors should go home, take a bath and get a job. And one of these morons wants to be the "jobs president" instead of the "food stamps president." What would it take for Americans to wake up - people starving in public? I think it's disturbing how stupid and misinformed the public has become not how our team has regressed (which it has). I'm voting for the black guy this time but I'm worried that it could be closer than it should be.
 
 Dion waiters at Cuse averaged 6.6pts 1.6 Rebs as a freshman. Pretty sure he doesn't suck now.
 

how many minutes did he average per game compared to our guys who are putting up similiar numbers at 30+ minutes a game?

Waiters averaged 16 minutes a game last season. He also didn't play on a hodgepodge, shorthanded, and very, youthful team nor was he being heavily counted on to produce, either. It's much easier when you're not the focal point of the team as a youngster.
 
 What's more idiotic my assessment of this team or some of the guys on here assessment of GG at the start of the season? Saying he is an NbA talent when he was playing lesser teams.. Gtown plays mostly freshman and they wooped us. Honestly that #3 recruit class was a total lie unless the two that are not here are really that good...
 

Are you part of that secret cult of fans who specialize in negative posts, fabricated stories (GG an NBA talent), (Gtown plays mostly frosh), etc. Newsflash brainless...that #3 recruiting class never arrived....only half did! And that NBA talent that was supposed to be the next coming of Allah Iverson transferred before New Year's Eve.
I am not sure how many negative posters here have migrated from Johnny Jungle or Big East Boards but the above post is truly written in the traditional "we suck" style of Marco Baldi, Real Fan, Poison, Illwill 1,2 and 3 and is infecting even loyal and knowledgeable posters here......you know who you are!
We can compare this team of 5 inexperienced freshmen and 1 junior college transfer to Duke, Uconn, Syracuse and Marquette until you puke but there is no comparison other than for those of you old enough to remember a comparison between Mel Davis and Billy Schaeffer's freshman team that was the best in America in 1969 to them playing UCLA, Marquette or Syracuse that year and having even the slightest chance of beating them......lol!
That these frosh have already beaten Cincy and Providence is a big accomplishment. That they did not lose by 33 points as did the #3 team in the nation as UNC did with 6 Mickey D all-Americans is a miracle.
Maybe these freshmen of ours will beat Villanova Saturday and win their 3rd Big East game as freshmen. That would be a positive.
But some of the cultists here will still be unimpressed. I am sure those fans are also fans of cult leader Mitt Romney and are really Latter Day Saint John's fans who hide their $$ in the Cayman Islands and think John Smith and his 18 wives was the last true prophet.
 


Truley a sickening post. How you or anyone could watch last nights game and not be completely embarassed and dissapointed says more about you than the realistic posters who realize the shape we're in.
 

You're a sickening poster who is either a troll or one of the most pessimistic people to ever post on any of these boards. Seriously, how old are you?

Just because you post your opinion--negative, as it is--then you feel it's realistic, huh? No! It's not realistic. It's your opinion!

Please, go back over to JJ where you can spew your venom carte blanche.
 
 Dion waiters at Cuse averaged 6.6pts 1.6 Rebs as a freshman. Pretty sure he doesn't suck now.
 

how many minutes did he average per game compared to our guys who are putting up similiar numbers at 30+ minutes a game?

Waiters averaged 16 minutes a game last season. He also didn't play on a hodgepodge, shorthanded, and very, youthful team nor was he being heavily counted on to produce, either. It's much easier when you're not the focal point of the team as a youngster.
 

So basically your comparison was a poor one. comparing the stats of a kid who plays 16 minutes a game to a kid who plays 34-35 minutes a game is pretty dumb.
 
 What's more idiotic my assessment of this team or some of the guys on here assessment of GG at the start of the season? Saying he is an NbA talent when he was playing lesser teams.. Gtown plays mostly freshman and they wooped us. Honestly that #3 recruit class was a total lie unless the two that are not here are really that good...
 

Are you part of that secret cult of fans who specialize in negative posts, fabricated stories (GG an NBA talent), (Gtown plays mostly frosh), etc. Newsflash brainless...that #3 recruiting class never arrived....only half did! And that NBA talent that was supposed to be the next coming of Allah Iverson transferred before New Year's Eve.
I am not sure how many negative posters here have migrated from Johnny Jungle or Big East Boards but the above post is truly written in the traditional "we suck" style of Marco Baldi, Real Fan, Poison, Illwill 1,2 and 3 and is infecting even loyal and knowledgeable posters here......you know who you are!
We can compare this team of 5 inexperienced freshmen and 1 junior college transfer to Duke, Uconn, Syracuse and Marquette until you puke but there is no comparison other than for those of you old enough to remember a comparison between Mel Davis and Billy Schaeffer's freshman team that was the best in America in 1969 to them playing UCLA, Marquette or Syracuse that year and having even the slightest chance of beating them......lol!
That these frosh have already beaten Cincy and Providence is a big accomplishment. That they did not lose by 33 points as did the #3 team in the nation as UNC did with 6 Mickey D all-Americans is a miracle.
Maybe these freshmen of ours will beat Villanova Saturday and win their 3rd Big East game as freshmen. That would be a positive.
But some of the cultists here will still be unimpressed. I am sure those fans are also fans of cult leader Mitt Romney and are really Latter Day Saint John's fans who hide their $$ in the Cayman Islands and think John Smith and his 18 wives was the last true prophet.
 


Truley a sickening post. How you or anyone could watch last nights game and not be completely embarassed and dissapointed says more about you than the realistic posters who realize the shape we're in.
 

You're a sickening poster who is either a troll or one of the most pessimistic people to ever post on any of these boards. Seriously, how old are you?

Just because you post your opinion--negative, as it is--then you feel it's realistic, huh? No! It's not realistic. It's your opinion!

Please, go back over to JJ where you can spew your venom carte blanche.
 

How dare I be negative after watching my team get blown out in three straight games after watching two recruits declared inelibible, two more players transfer and two recruits for 2012-2013 decommitt!!!!

The nerve of me!!! I must be trolling!! Everything is all pixi sticks and gum balls in Jamaica....
 
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