UConn Still Shopping ?

I don't like UCONN, i dislike their fans, and I've had strong negative feelings towards the schools that avandoned the BE, especially those with a northeastern location. The ability to concentrate the league within 400 miles of NYC was an amazing era for local competition and made for intense rivalries among mostly smaller private schools.

Having said that a long time ago, involved in a business dispute that went to court, a wise attorney advised, "Always do what's best for yourself, not what's worst for someone else."

Would UCONN strengthen the Big East? If so, the answer is clear, and if admitted, the business part of the deal should include a harsh financial penalty fir withdrawing that would offset any initial financial gain. Bottom line is UCONN would strengthen the conference. As much I would lije them to die a painful bball death, it would be best for us to have them in our conference
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League is great in every way. Highest percentage to get into the NCAAs ever. How much stronger does it need to be? St Johns is on a positive trajectory. Yukon is on a downward death spiral. Grass is not always greener. Very short sighted. Big East will continue to thrive and does not need Yukon in any way.
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Disagree but respectfully. Uconn bball has been one of the very best programs over the oast 25 years, and in the big east would be in the top half. Their presence wpuld improve league profile and they are in the intended league geography
 
I don't like UCONN, i dislike their fans, and I've had strong negative feelings towards the schools that avandoned the BE, especially those with a northeastern location. The ability to concentrate the league within 400 miles of NYC was an amazing era for local competition and made for intense rivalries among mostly smaller private schools.

Having said that a long time ago, involved in a business dispute that went to court, a wise attorney advised, "Always do what's best for yourself, not what's worst for someone else."

Would UCONN strengthen the Big East? If so, the answer is clear, and if admitted, the business part of the deal should include a harsh financial penalty fir withdrawing that would offset any initial financial gain. Bottom line is UCONN would strengthen the conference. As much I would lije them to die a painful bball death, it would be best for us to have them in our conference
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League is great in every way. Highest percentage to get into the NCAAs ever. How much stronger does it need to be? St Johns is on a positive trajectory. Yukon is on a downward death spiral. Grass is not always greener. Very short sighted. Big East will continue to thrive and does not need Yukon in any way.
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Disagree but respectfully. Uconn bball has been one of the very best programs over the oast 25 years, and in the big east would be in the top half. Their presence wpuld improve league profile and they are in the intended league geography
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They don't fit the league profile and are a proven commodity as a scumbag partner that the power conferences have been smart enough to stay away from. Aside from that you are old enough to remember a lot of great programs that were great then not so much. Someone recently said on here that Illinois had no basketball tradition. 25 years ago nobody would have said that. Indiana was arguably the greatest program post UCLA and they are middling now for years. Things change. Yukon is full of crap on every level and I want them to fail but if I thought they were good for St John's, I'd say bring them. They are not. They screwed us in particular at every opportunity. If I were ruling the roost at Villanova, I'd want no part of reviving Yukon. If I were budding midwest partners like Creighton or Butler, I'd not want to see the emphasis you are espousing either.

Big East is doing great and exceeding all expectations and predictions based upon its own unique identity. Pining away for football schools etc is a proven recipe for failure and we are living in the beginnings of a great formula that a few private schools can have success with playing in the big pond. We should be enjoying and strengthening that, not trying to be something else. It should not be messed with trying to emulate the football conferences which as far as St Johns is concerned, will never be part of a successful equation.
 
Big East and Midwest schools just proved it can sell out the BET without Uconn. Nova had much to do with it, but there will always be an old guard school in the mix to draw. This is now one less reason we need Uconn

I still see it happening. It's good for business and the only way you grow revenue.
 
I don't like UCONN, i dislike their fans, and I've had strong negative feelings towards the schools that avandoned the BE, especially those with a northeastern location. The ability to concentrate the league within 400 miles of NYC was an amazing era for local competition and made for intense rivalries among mostly smaller private schools.

Having said that a long time ago, involved in a business dispute that went to court, a wise attorney advised, "Always do what's best for yourself, not what's worst for someone else."

Would UCONN strengthen the Big East? If so, the answer is clear, and if admitted, the business part of the deal should include a harsh financial penalty fir withdrawing that would offset any initial financial gain. Bottom line is UCONN would strengthen the conference. As much I would lije them to die a painful bball death, it would be best for us to have them in our conference
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League is great in every way. Highest percentage to get into the NCAAs ever. How much stronger does it need to be? St Johns is on a positive trajectory. Yukon is on a downward death spiral. Grass is not always greener. Very short sighted. Big East will continue to thrive and does not need Yukon in any way.
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If Wichita State moves to AAC, UCONN may be less inclined to leave.
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This move could be a temporary one until the BE and Wichita St get together and work out a deal to bring in the best basketball program in the state of Kansas.

No need to worry about wasting state tax dollars on a pie in the sky idea of elevating a moribund football program. Maybe the conference wants to bring in another program to keep it at an even number (I would still say screw Uconn and wait).

And, if Wichita St. brings its nationally recognized baseball program, it also elevates BE baseball.

Seems like it makes too much sense.
 
I don't like UCONN, i dislike their fans, and I've had strong negative feelings towards the schools that avandoned the BE, especially those with a northeastern location. The ability to concentrate the league within 400 miles of NYC was an amazing era for local competition and made for intense rivalries among mostly smaller private schools.

Having said that a long time ago, involved in a business dispute that went to court, a wise attorney advised, "Always do what's best for yourself, not what's worst for someone else."

Would UCONN strengthen the Big East? If so, the answer is clear, and if admitted, the business part of the deal should include a harsh financial penalty fir withdrawing that would offset any initial financial gain. Bottom line is UCONN would strengthen the conference. As much I would lije them to die a painful bball death, it would be best for us to have them in our conference
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League is great in every way. Highest percentage to get into the NCAAs ever. How much stronger does it need to be? St Johns is on a positive trajectory. Yukon is on a downward death spiral. Grass is not always greener. Very short sighted. Big East will continue to thrive and does not need Yukon in any way.
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If Wichita State moves to AAC, UCONN may be less inclined to leave.
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This move could be a temporary one until the BE and Wichita St get together and work out a deal to bring in the best basketball program in the state of Kansas.

No need to worry about wasting state tax dollars on a pie in the sky idea of elevating a moribund football program. Maybe the conference wants to bring in another program to keep it at an even number (I would still say screw Uconn and wait).

And, if Wichita St. brings its nationally recognized baseball program, it also elevates BE baseball.

Seems like it makes too much sense.
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Omaha Nebraska is far enough to travel and Wichita Kansas is a shit hole in the midwest. No reason to consider them in a conference called the "BIG EAST".
My other concern is Gregg Marshall. Once he leaves what will happen to their basketball profile? I prefer schools with a strong following that will attract fans to MSG. Dayton and VCU fit that profile the best. I suspect those are the two schools at the top of the expansion list.
 
I would agree that Wichita State and particularly Gonzaga would be good additions, if their basketball budget isn't several times higher than what St. John's is. The state schools usually have a much higher budget. No way UConn belongs in the BE anymore. They let their lousy football program call the shots. They can lie in that bed forever as far as I'm concerned. Syracuse too. UConn budget is way higher than the current BE schools. They don't fit.
 
Prior to the formation of the current big east most observers would have thought that Conn would have been a better addition than the three Midwestern schools. Wrong.
Why bale them out now? If there is going to be expansion bring in Dayton, Wich St etc. When Conn drops football then reconsider
 
Everyone agrees that Gonzaga is the perfect fit for BE BB. But, the fact is they re too far West. If they joined the BE the girls soft ball team would have to travel to Washington to play them. Not practical.
 
Everyone agrees that Gonzaga is the perfect fit for BE BB. But, the fact is they re too far West. If they joined the BE the girls soft ball team would have to travel to Washington to play them. Not practical.
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.... unless in the highly unlikely event that the Zags and St. Mary's can find another D1 league along the west coast to park all of their sports except men's and women's basketball. Think WAC (Bakersfield, Grand Canyon, Seattle, et al.) which could work if Fox Sports ponied up money for that holdover conference to compensate it for taking the Zags and St. Mary's less profitable sports. The WAC will add high powered California Baptist University in 2018.

Also, who says that the Zags care about gaining membership in the Big East? Things are working pretty well for them playing in the West Coast Conference.
 
I don't like UCONN, i dislike their fans, and I've had strong negative feelings towards the schools that avandoned the BE, especially those with a northeastern location. The ability to concentrate the league within 400 miles of NYC was an amazing era for local competition and made for intense rivalries among mostly smaller private schools.

Having said that a long time ago, involved in a business dispute that went to court, a wise attorney advised, "Always do what's best for yourself, not what's worst for someone else."

Would UCONN strengthen the Big East? If so, the answer is clear, and if admitted, the business part of the deal should include a harsh financial penalty fir withdrawing that would offset any initial financial gain. Bottom line is UCONN would strengthen the conference. As much I would lije them to die a painful bball death, it would be best for us to have them in our conference
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League is great in every way. Highest percentage to get into the NCAAs ever. How much stronger does it need to be? St Johns is on a positive trajectory. Yukon is on a downward death spiral. Grass is not always greener. Very short sighted. Big East will continue to thrive and does not need Yukon in any way.
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If Wichita State moves to AAC, UCONN may be less inclined to leave.
Click to expand...

This move could be a temporary one until the BE and Wichita St get together and work out a deal to bring in the best basketball program in the state of Kansas.

No need to worry about wasting state tax dollars on a pie in the sky idea of elevating a moribund football program. Maybe the conference wants to bring in another program to keep it at an even number (I would still say screw Uconn and wait).

And, if Wichita St. brings its nationally recognized baseball program, it also elevates BE baseball.

Seems like it makes too much sense.
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Omaha Nebraska is far enough to travel and Wichita Kansas is a shit hole in the midwest. No reason to consider them in a conference called the "BIG EAST".
My other concern is Gregg Marshall. Once he leaves what will happen to their basketball profile? I prefer schools with a strong following that will attract fans to MSG. Dayton and VCU fit that profile the best. I suspect those are the two schools at the top of the expansion list.
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Didn't they say the same thing about Butler once Brad Stevens left for the NBA? And here they are not one, but two coaches later, and haven't missed a beat.

There was a similar sentiment with Creighton once Doug McDermitt left for the NBA, but they also haven't missed a beat.

VCU and Dayton are also good examples of teams who've had sustainable success even through coaching changes. VCU has been competing at a high level even with coaching changes from Grant to Smart and now Wade.

I think the biggest indicator of sustainable success is the commitment by the schools to their program, and also fan base support. I believe it's been noted that Wichita State pays their coach 3.8 mil a year. They're obviously committed to success long term.
 
Mike Francessa just stated on the FAN that the best Big East expansion would be Wichita State and UCONN. Both good basketball schools that would bring good fans and prominence to the Big East
 
Can't stomach UCONN.

Would rather have a school like Dayton

No problem re the Shockers
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If UConn drops football to FCS status, then maybe, but until then it is a showstopper IMHO.

No FBS schools, been there, done that. Worked for awhile but that model doesn't work anymore.
 
Can't stomach UCONN.

Would rather have a school like Dayton

No problem re the Shockers
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Agree here. I've been on the fence about this. I hate Uconn as well, but admit they had a great basketball history. They're just too football-centric to me. I want teams that compete with us in all sports, with a focus on basketball. Right now we have more teams left in the tourney than the ACC does, and that's with a few bad breaks to our conference teams. Our league is basketball-focused so schools like Wichita, Dayton make sense and can get on board in all sports. I'd love Uconn's high profile, but the fact is they will always be whoring for something better. It won't stop. It's not in their nature.
 
Dayton would be a good fit, but sat with some very pleasant X fans at MSG game. They said X would never OK the entry of Dayton to the BE.

Can't stomach UCONN.

Would rather have a school like Dayton

No problem re the Shockers
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Agree here. I've been on the fence about this. I hate Uconn as well, but admit they had a great basketball history. They're just too football-centric to me. I want teams that compete with us in all sports, with a focus on basketball. Right now we have more teams left in the tourney than the ACC does, and that's with a few bad breaks to our conference teams. Our league is basketball-focused so schools like Wichita, Dayton make sense and can get on board in all sports. I'd love Uconn's high profile, but the fact is they will always be whoring for something better. It won't stop. It's not in their nature.
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This from the blowhard who couldn't remember that Maryland was now part of Big 10.

Mike Francessa just stated on the FAN that the best Big East expansion would be Wichita State and UCONN. Both good basketball schools that would bring good fans and prominence to the Big East
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As long as UCONN is searching for football money the BE should not let them off the proverbial hook. Let the basketball program pay long term consequences for leaving the Big East. A few months ago Rothstien had a rumor in one of his columns that the ACC might consider letting Wichita State in the league for basketball and other sports save for football. Couple that with the fact that they just went 1-5 in the NCAA's first weekend and one wonders whether the powers that be are worried about the quality of basketball in the league. All year long the shills at ESPN hyped them as the best league in the country and look what happened. Contrary to what the Pope of FAN thinks the league does not have tp react to every bit of internet gossip. Pay your coaches, give the programs in the three biggest markets the opportunity to rebuild and the league will be as solid as ever. It's pretty good now.
 
Mike Francessa just stated on the FAN that the best Big East expansion would be Wichita State and UCONN. Both good basketball schools that would bring good fans and prominence to the Big East
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Hate Francesca...But, don't disagree...

That said, its not like he knew something that we didnt already know
 
My vote is to keep the conference as is. I like the home and away and it differentiates us from other conferences. As a season ticket holder I always disliked not being able to watch every team in the conference. The BE has a good thing going
 
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