Uconn game thread

 The funniest part of this is if you read the Uconn message boards, they think SJU is scum for playing to the buzzer against the Uconn walk-ons. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never thut the losing team had any obligation to be clowned by walk-ons trying to score their first point. The onus of "class" is on the winning team with respect to playing to the end. Losing team has every right and should play to the buzzer. If they want the clock to run out, then hold onto the ball and waste time. What a bunch of $hitheads... 
 

We could very, well see them in the Big East Tournament. Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind playing them again.
 
 The funniest part of this is if you read the Uconn message boards, they think SJU is scum for playing to the buzzer against the Uconn walk-ons. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never thut the losing team had any obligation to be clowned by walk-ons trying to score their first point. The onus of "class" is on the winning team with respect to playing to the end. Losing team has every right and should play to the buzzer. If they want the clock to run out, then hold onto the ball and waste time. What a bunch of $hitheads... 
 

We could very, well see them in the Big East Tournament. Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind playing them again.
 

To be honest, that last play with 10 sec, to go, the UCONN walk on got it across mid court and stopped when he got trapped by 3 SJU players. All the UCONN guys were standing around outside the 3 pt line. No one was looking to score with a double digit lead. I'm sure many would have jumper all over "big bad uconn" for trying to run up the score in that situation. No big deal in my opinion. 
 
 I dont like UConn or its idiot fans who are usually found intoxicated when they play at MSG. If we want to talk about "class" we can omit Calhoun and his puppet Blaney. If we had the two recruits who opted out we run them out of Hartford with their tails between their legs on the way back to Stoors. btw I cant imagine any recruit wanting to go to that desolate area in Ct. It is in nowhere land.
 
 I dont like UConn or its idiot fans who are usually found intoxicated when they play at MSG. If we want to talk about "class" we can omit Calhoun and his puppet Blaney. If we had the two recruits who opted out we run them out of Hartford with their tails between their legs on the way back to Stoors.
 

It's possible.

And imagine if UCONN had the 2 recruits that "opted out" of Storrs, Harkless and Depaul's Cleveland Melvin.. ;)
 
 Uconn fans at the XL Center were much more polite, gracious and friendly than I had expected. I agree with Dee that the fans who travel to MSG are usually a bunch of drunk, obnoxious idiots but they are not really representative of all UConn fans.

Btw, $10 to park right under the arena was a very pleasant surprise.
 
 Our front court players were as good as Uconn's....our guards ...not so much. That was the game in a nutshell! I loved our effort! SJ had 5 frosh play most of the game against a top ten team and If it were not for our guards shooting 25 % this game was actually winnable. Add a point guard and a power forward along with Wood and teams will not want to play SJ next year !!
 

im pretty sure uconns front court players would disagree with you. i dont recall g.g and harkless swatting balls out of the air.
 

Too bad you missed the game!
The starting front line of Uconn was :
Oriakhi----6 points, 7 rebs
Drummond --16 pts, 11 r
Daniels----6 pts, 0 r
That amounts to 28 points, 18 rebounds

St. John's front three.....WE ONLY HAVE THREE!
GG------16 points, 5 rebounds
Pointer--14 pts, 8 r
Moe------16 pts, 6 r
That is 46 points, 19 rebounds!!!!!

SJ's front line was actually as good and better in both points and rebounds.
Next time watch the game as a ST. JOHN'S REDMEN FAN!
 

I was really impressed with your big men. Athletic as hell....In your list though, you forgot Orlander (PF), also Lamb and Giffey played a bunch of minutes at SF since Boatright and Napier were playing together in the backcourt, so it's not easy to look at a boxscore and determine how many pts/rbs the CT front line had.
 

LOL!!! Re-anal-ized like only a Uconn fan could! Gosh I compare the SJ starting 3 and you want to throw in the rest of the Huskies to make it look like your stats were better. Lamb played almost exclusivly outside so I will give you Olander and the Kraut for statistical comparison purposes (so now we compare the numbers of 5 Huskies to 3 Redmen).
That gives Uconn 28+13=41 points ...........SJ's THREE Forwards still score 46.
Remove Napier from this game due to injury (I wished) and SJ wins in my humble homer opinion:)
 
 Despite the numbers, the only player that I would call the difference maker was Drummond, with his intimidating presence on defense. He singlehandedly forced us to go away from our game plan.
 
 Despite the numbers, the only player that I would call the difference maker was Drummond, with his intimidating presence on defense. He singlehandedly forced us to go away from our game plan.
 

Drummond is a future 1st round NBA pick in June.
However, I must disagree he was the difference-maker. The Uconn guards (Lamb, Boatright, Napier) scored 41 points to our 3 guards who scored 23. That is an 18 point difference plus they dished out 13 assists to our entire teams's 7.
Drommond may have been intimidating but SJ took it inside often and got 30 free throws to Uconn's 23.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE GUARDS IN THIS GAME. I should not even count Malik Stiff. The Uconn guards we quicker, better bhandlers and better shooters. Other than D Harrison, ours were basically invisible.
 
 Take out any ONE of their guards and They still win the game. Take out Drummond and we have a very good shot of winning.
 
 The funniest part of this is if you read the Uconn message boards, they think SJU is scum for playing to the buzzer against the Uconn walk-ons. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never thut the losing team had any obligation to be clowned by walk-ons trying to score their first point. The onus of "class" is on the winning team with respect to playing to the end. Losing team has every right and should play to the buzzer. If they want the clock to run out, then hold onto the ball and waste time. What a bunch of $hitheads... 
 

We could very, well see them in the Big East Tournament. Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind playing them again.
 

To be honest, that last play with 10 sec, to go, the UCONN walk on got it across mid court and stopped when he got trapped by 3 SJU players. All the UCONN guys were standing around outside the 3 pt line. No one was looking to score with a double digit lead. I'm sure many would have jumper all over "big bad uconn" for trying to run up the score in that situation. No big deal in my opinion. 
 

No disagreement Alex, but pretty ridiculous for Uconn fans to criticize the losing team for playing til the end under any circumstance IMO. A team that is down has every right to press, trap and do whatever they have to do at the end. No rule they have to concede.
 
Like I said earlier... We need a top 100 PG for next year. Maybe top 50..Along with a true center.

Barkley, in my mind, was the last truly great PG we had...Cook? played 1 year and was good, not great as a frosh. Ingram never played to 5 star status at St John's..

Hatten wasn't a PG BUT, WAS GREAT.
 



I don't disagree, but there are literally no top 100pgs or Centers still uncommitted. Our best bet is to find a pf to compliment Gift, and another combo guard. We really need to see D'angelo of Phil continue to develop. I don't think we're going to bring in anyone who will be good enough to significantly replace them in the backcourt.

Those two are our guards of the future IMO.
 

Hey, Stith would be barely top 300 and he gets minutes. We've been hurt by plenty of non-top 100 PGs this year. who could shoot etc. Time to get creative here. Our problem is manpower. They don't all have to be All Americans. UCONN had a couple of big white guys who we probably would have ignored. Sometimes you have to shop at Walmart instead of Sachs 5th ave to get what you really need. Louie made a living settling for seconds. We've already shown we can get some biggies but I think we're getting outhustled for the midlevel guys.
 
Like I said earlier... We need a top 100 PG for next year. Maybe top 50..Along with a true center.

Barkley, in my mind, was the last truly great PG we had...Cook? played 1 year and was good, not great as a frosh. Ingram never played to 5 star status at St John's..

Hatten wasn't a PG BUT, WAS GREAT.
 



I don't disagree, but there are literally no top 100pgs or Centers still uncommitted. Our best bet is to find a pf to compliment Gift, and another combo guard. We really need to see D'angelo of Phil continue to develop. I don't think we're going to bring in anyone who will be good enough to significantly replace them in the backcourt.

Those two are our guards of the future IMO.
 

Hey, Stith would be barely top 300 and he gets minutes. We've been hurt by plenty of non-top 100 PGs this year. who could shoot etc. Time to get creative here. Our problem is manpower. They don't all have to be All Americans. UCONN had a couple of big white guys who we probably would have ignored. Sometimes you have to shop at Walmart instead of Sachs 5th ave to get what you really need. Louie made a living settling for seconds. We've already shown we can get some biggies but I think we're getting outhustled for the midlevel guys.
 

it usually takes four years for "walmart" players to make noise. i don't know how many people here have the patience. our sachs players weren't as good as uconn's sachs players. i could tell after five minutes we were going to lose.

we're getting better. let's keep shopping at sachs!
 
 Yea Stith will be a 4th year walmart player next year, maybe he will make some noise then. Right now I see him as the last vestige of an awful era in st john's basketball. I will add though that had dwight hardy or dj kennedy been available for one more year it would have been very big for us considering what has developed with the non-commits and transfers
 
I thought we played pretty decently overall against UConn. 1-13 from 3 in the first half. If we make 5-13 we're right in that game with some added confidence.  Our second half started poorly defensively as there were wayyyy too many dunk at the rims and our frontline guys didn't do a good job of trying to deny position early on in UConns possessions to their bigs along the blocks and it led to a lot of alley oops. Other than that, I really don't have many complaints and thought we did a decent job of taking care of things of what WE could control.

Harkless, as we know, shies away from contact and did so a bit against UConn but overall I thought he dealt with the contact better against UConn than in the Kentucky game, so Moe is making progress in that sense. We need Moe to be the man against those big frontlines and not just against the Providences of the league. Once he learns to deal with contact better and get a bit stronger, he will move from really good to elite.
 
As for anyone complaining about us playing to the final buzzer vs Uconn walkons-like Louie told Calhoun many years ago-you coach your team and I'll coach mine. 
 
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Louie made a living settling for seconds.
 

Where do you come up with these wild theories?
I have been following the program very closely since 1981 as these are the facts:
1. In 1983 we finished 3rd in the polls with 3 MCAA as well as a junior college AA;
2. In 1985 we finished 3rd in the polls and went to the final four with 3 MCAA, a junior college POY, a top 100 pg, a top 100 small forward, a highly rated pg and a very highly rated transfer;
3. In 1986 we finished top 5 in the polls with 1 MCAA, a junior college POY, a top 100 pg, a top 100 small forward, a very highly rated transfer ( I don't know where Ron Rowan was rated in high school ) and a top 100 freshman center ( Marco Baldi );
4. In 1991 ( I believe ) we went to the elite eight with 2 MCAA, a top 50 shooting guard, a highly rated pg and a top 50 pf/center.

Where were the seconds Louie settled for? When Louie and his assistants brought in high level talent they won big. The years he lacked top talent we went to the NIT or were one and done.
 
Like I said earlier... We need a top 100 PG for next year. Maybe top 50..Along with a true center.

Barkley, in my mind, was the last truly great PG we had...Cook? played 1 year and was good, not great as a frosh. Ingram never played to 5 star status at St John's..

Hatten wasn't a PG BUT, WAS GREAT.
 



I don't disagree, but there are literally no top 100pgs or Centers still uncommitted. Our best bet is to find a pf to compliment Gift, and another combo guard. We really need to see D'angelo of Phil continue to develop. I don't think we're going to bring in anyone who will be good enough to significantly replace them in the backcourt.

Those two are our guards of the future IMO.
 

Hey, Stith would be barely top 300 and he gets minutes. We've been hurt by plenty of non-top 100 PGs this year. who could shoot etc. Time to get creative here. Our problem is manpower. They don't all have to be All Americans. UCONN had a couple of big white guys who we probably would have ignored. Sometimes you have to shop at Walmart instead of Sachs 5th ave to get what you really need. Louie made a living settling for seconds. We've already shown we can get some biggies but I think we're getting outhustled for the midlevel guys.
 

it usually takes four years for "walmart" players to make noise. i don't know how many people here have the patience. our sachs players weren't as good as uconn's sachs players. i could tell after five minutes we were going to lose.

we're getting better. let's keep shopping at sachs!
 

Amen... Our Sachs players are all freshmen and we have only 6 of them, not the usual 13. Lavin isn't settling for marginal guys like some fans want to do, and I'm happy about that. I'd rather play short guys for one season than have 5 4- year marginal players occupying our bench. Lavin has bigger goals than many of the fans, and that's the way it should be.

This season we are Sampson and Pelle short of a nice tourney run. That's okay because Lavin didn't panic just to fill spots with marginal guys. Not one guy he brought in was marginal. Even mike Perez who plays for UTEP whom nobody wanted would not have been marginal.

I'm happy to be a fan now because I know that even if we fill 3 ships instead of 6, they will be legit players. A little bit of patience will pay off here. Mark my words.
 
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Louie made a living settling for seconds.
 

Where do you come up with these wild theories?
I have been following the program very closely since 1981 as these are the facts:
1. In 1983 we finished 3rd in the polls with 3 MCAA as well as a junior college AA;
2. In 1985 we finished 3rd in the polls and went to the final four with 3 MCAA, a junior college POY, a top 100 pg, a top 100 small forward, a highly rated pg and a very highly rated transfer;
3. In 1986 we finished top 5 in the polls with 1 MCAA, a junior college POY, a top 100 pg, a top 100 small forward, a very highly rated transfer ( I don't know where Ron Rowan was rated in high school ) and a top 100 freshman center ( Marco Baldi );
4. In 1991 ( I believe ) we went to the elite eight with 2 MCAA, a top 50 shooting guard, a highly rated pg and a top 50 pf/center.

Where were the seconds Louie settled for? When Louie and his assistants brought in high level talent they won big. The years he lacked top talent we went to the NIT or were one and done.
 
looie told his assistants to bring in one first round draft pick a year and that's pretty much what they did. he could have asked for two or three.
 
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