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Thats why I said it would not surprise me it a new recruit like williams could take his starting job H e shoots better and jumps and plays D
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If we get a couple more guys who average close to a triple double to come off the bench behind freshmen who are better than they are we have a good shot to win a league game next year.

Just curious, have you ever seen Williams play?
 
It is kind in of strange that you can have this talent play all those mins and only score 3 pt.
Even if you wanted to at the beginning of the game it would be hard to accomplish. If his could foul shooting was even better or did not miss so many bunnies when driving to the rim We win more games .He is what he is ,not picking on him because we can go down the line up and fine faults in every one of the starters So we have to just try hard to enjoy the rest of the season . That's why it is called a team because team play supports weak players to a point were a team can win Lets hope next yr is a truen around, if it is like this season,well you know whats going to happen
 
While I think we haven't seen the best of Trimble, especially since he is overweight and out of shape, I still think the praise for him is over the top. My best hope is that on a good team (NCAA caliber) he gets meaningful minutes off the bench and proves to be a scoring threat.
 
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Willie went oh for five in his first game then 1 - 26 - not an auspicious start - sounds like SJU these past years lol
May's only hit was 4 bags of the great Warren Spahn (the first of 660)

I'm Mickey fan - grew up watching 'the Mick' on WPIX black & white small screen, no replays etc. no flip top beer cans :D - who knows without the alcohol and bad knees what Mantle might have been - but I give credit where it is do - Mays was spectacular of course - like Tom Brady another player/team not on my favorite list

all the best


PS Don't you agree many of us root for a team and against another and it is almost the same satisfying feeling when either result happens...for me...
SJU over UConn, Yanks over RS - of course, Army/Navy, I for one am neutral about Villanova, the Mets, Air Force -
Air Force Academy created by West Point grads at a time when America's planes were in the Army Air Corps -

BTW currently Air Force has 5199, Army 5117 and Navy Marines a mere 3847.
The Army/West Point influence likely resulted in the Air Force having similar ranks/grades e.g. Lieutenant, Captain, Major...Generals! (Grant, Sherman, Sheridan)
all the best
 
While I think we haven't seen the best of Trimble, especially since he is overweight and out of shape, I still think the praise for him is over the top. My best hope is that on a good team (NCAA caliber) he gets meaningful minutes off the bench and proves to be a scoring threat.
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Gotta agree with you, Beast. Maybe it's due to being out of shape (who's fault is that?) -- and granted, I've watched only a handful of the BE games all the way through -- but I would've liked to have seen him step up more to compensate for the loss of LoVett.
 
While I think we haven't seen the best of Trimble, especially since he is overweight and out of shape, I still think the praise for him is over the top. My best hope is that on a good team (NCAA caliber) he gets meaningful minutes off the bench and proves to be a scoring threat.
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Gotta agree with you, Beast. Maybe it's due to being out of shape (who's fault is that?) -- and granted, I've watched only a handful of the BE games all the way through -- but I would've liked to have seen him step up more to compensate for the loss of LoVett.
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He's also a freshman, and all I know that at that age, most of us could eat anything we want and still be thin and in shape. I wouldn't blame him, and probably for him he will have to work harder than most guys his age at eating right and shedding some pounds. No question to me at least that he can play at this level. How well remains to be seen.
 
Thats why I said it would not surprise me it a new recruit like williams could take his starting job H e shoots better and jumps and plays D
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I don't think Williams is known as a shooter, though. I think he'll be a fun player for us during his career, but I expect him to look absolutely lost out there at the beginning of next season. Roberts too. I actually think Brooks is the only one of the freshmen who'll be able to step out there right away and not look like he's about to crap himself.
 
It would be hard to be a worse shooter than Simon. That's why you can slacken off of him to double down
on other players,He no doubt has a role to to fill and deserves 20 mins pg If he can improve his shooting esp his foul shooting he becomes more valuable
 
Simon too one dimensional. He is another player we could recruit over, not saying he does not need to be on the team but 10-15mins pg once a better shooter emerges
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No way.
 
FG% is credible no matter where the ball goes in from because a basket is a basket. Any argument to the contrary is nonsense and doesn't hold up to basic math. Might as well say that Dr. J. was a crappy shooter. You either make baskets or you don't things like "easily defended" show up in the math and percentages go down. The only valid argument against FG% would be based upon a limited sample. So for example Simon was shooting 100% from 3 for 6 (?) games into the season. No one expected him to be a great shooter. Kudos to him for playing so smart and choosing his shots with such amazing discretion. For a starter second in the league in minutes, he is shooting 47%. Quibble over where those shots were made doesn't change the math. But going back to the original point, this kid is leading the league in steals, top 5 in rebounds! 5-10 in assists, and blocks, one of the better defenders 1-3 and an athletic freak who plays in control and makes mostly good decisions. Calling him one dimensional and quibbling about where his shots come from is extreme nonsense. This kid is a phenomenal basketball player. Would love to see him develop a natural free throw shooting form but that isn't going to happen before the end of this season.

BTW Trimble currently leading the league in A/TO ratio. Brunson second... :eek:
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Agree completely with this. I've never seen someone complain about some having a good FG% because they get easy shots. Isn't that what we want? A guy that can get to the rim consistently and get lay ups? I would much rather have a guy that shoots 47% off of short distance shots than a guy shooting 40% off mid range shots.
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Ahmed shooting is worse, especially his FTs and can’t finish.
 
Just ON TAPES but that was just an opinion.Many teams recruit off tapes THEY VIEW THEM so they can determine skills staminia even ht etc IT starts the process and you do not have to travel and save money to boot
WHAT is your opinion of Williams
 
72, you have your opinion . I have mine about Mussini . Yes, he had weaknesses . But, he won more games in his 2 Years here , with his sharp shooting than , Simon or Clark have . You remember the 2 Great Wins over Syracuse ? Who destroyed the Orange ! And , only a Fool would have the temerity to say , we couldn’t have used him badly this year ! Who on this team shoots 42-136 on 3’s like Mussini did last year ? Answer, maybe Clark but , he isn’t a streaky shot like Federico was and it’s a piece that is sorely missing this year . I would take Mussini ‘s mediocrity over several players, who have shown zip down the stretch this year !
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There was a player on the Piston, Vinnie Johnson, who was nicknamed Microwave, because he could heat up so fast

Mussini was a valuable role player. He wasn't a point guard, but didn't embarrass himself when asked to take on that role as a FRESHMAN. He didn't turn the ball over off the dribble much, but did have a tendency to telegraph short passes, a correctable offense.

He was not nearly as slow as people complained about here, especially on defense.

I also shuddered when he took the ball to the hole, where they often ended with mussini on the ground and no foul called.

That all being said, he could get it going where over the course of 5 or 6 possessions could nail a few threes. You'd turn around and realize he had a dozen points in a few minutes in the 2nd half. It helped win games.

This season he'd be no better than 4th guard on a squad where the top 3 would log 30 minutes or more. Still, he would have provided depth as a reliable upperclassmen 4th guard who could score, a luxury only good teams have. With Lovett's injury the drop off wouldnt have been cataclysmic.

Would guess that in many of our close losses, he'd be the difference between a W or L.
 
The BE today , to be competitive , you need to have several players who can consistently hit the 3 Pt shot . I don’t know what the final stats were last night in the Nova - Creighton game but, early in the second half the Wildcats had hit 12 3 pointers . Against Creighton ! A very good team . You think Blue Jay fans are calling for McDermott to get a X and 0 guy to help with Defense ? And , it seems we are not the only team having trouble defending the 3 ? So, the Amateur analysts here can take note and hopefully drop the bone on our awful 3 point Defense . The problem isn’t defending the 3 but, more to the fact that many teams have several players in the game at all times that can hit the shot regularly . In fact , if your team isn’t making 8-10 3’s a game , you likely will lose and that has been a problem for us . Has anyone noticed ? Our Roster and Starters are not exactly dead eyes on the shot . Which suggests Mullin , Matt A get busy recruiting better shooters . Another thing , notice how , with the exception of Nova , nearly every BE Team has been blown out more than once . Point being , with a little better FG shooting and FT shooting , we might have actually won a couple of the close and painful losses we sustained . Outside of Clark , who can hit the 3 well, we don’t have a really good 3 point threat . Please don’t use Simon shooting 3 for 15 as a example of his good stats . And , Ponds hasn’t shot well all year from 3 . Owens , do you want a 6’11 “ player taking more than the occasional 3 ? Ahmed ? His stats are what they are and he’s too inconsistent with hhs shots . Beast , I think if Mussini was still here and even , if he were the 4 th Guard , behind Ponds, Lovett and Simon he would have gotten 20 minutes a game . And, without Lovett , even more minutes . But, he isn’t . We do need a true sharpshooter next year . And , a Post Player .
 
A lot of what you said is fine, but at 38.3%, our 3 point defense is FAR below the average, in fact is 313th out of the 351 Div 1 schools. And, anecdotally, if you watch games, it is obvious that the effort on the 3 point shot, as well as the technique isn't there.
 
Simon gets to the Rim easily against many opponents . Less so now as teams are leaving him unattended outside , daring him to shoot the J . Even though he has a FG percentage of 46 or whatever percent it is deceiving . For example , against Iona at the Garden at Christmas time , he must have gotten clear to the Rim 15 times , yet half of those bunnies rolled off the Rim or hit the Rim underneath . Otherwise , he could have easily had 30 plus points , instead of the 20 or so he scored . The other night against Xavier , they cut him off from the Rim and dared him to shoot the J. He didn’t . And , scored a weak 3 points . Bluett , a great player , also had a bad game, while shooting like 1-9 yet Bluett still scored 15 points and helped his team win . Owens chipped in with Zero points too . If not for Amazing games from Ponds and Clark , we would have lost by a substantial margin .
 
Simon gets to the Rim easily against many opponents . Less so now as teams are leaving him unattended outside , daring him to shoot the J . Even though he has a FG percentage of 46 or whatever percent it is deceiving . For example , against Iona at the Garden at Christmas time , he must have gotten clear to the Rim 15 times , yet half of those bunnies rolled off the Rim or hit the Rim underneath . Otherwise , he could have easily had 30 plus points , instead of the 20 or so he scored . The other night against Xavier , they cut him off from the Rim and dared him to shoot the J. He didn’t . And , scored a weak 3 points . Bluett , a great player , also had a bad game, while shooting like 1-9 yet Bluett still scored 15 points and helped his team win . Owens chipped in with Zero points too . If not for Amazing games from Ponds and Clark , we would have lost by a substantial margin .
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Great analysis.
Simon is a terrific athlete, but until his shot improves, should only take threes to keep the defense honest (and make a few wide open looks). I give him credit for not taking shots he feels he cannot make - that's called restraint. I wish Owens used the three the same way. As good as Owen's Dad thinks his little Tariq is, the problem is that Owens right now has a reasonably good medium range jumper for his size, but absolutely is low threat down low to score points. Xavier dared Owens to shoot from three also, and he was ineffective.

The staff has felt that Ponds hasn't been himself this year, surprising to say since he has had some explosive games. He is a much better outside shooter than he's been of late in Big East play, and I suspect the burden of carrying too much of the load affects everything from his shot selection and on. Simply put he knows that on this team if he doesn't score 25 or more, we are a pretty sure bet to lose, and it affects the shots he has been taking. Last season, in tandem with Lovett, Ponds made much better decisions, and absolutely sliced up defense time and time again on the way to the hoop. This season he has been caught flipping up low percentage drives and long threes.

In terms of 3 point defense, put Trimble and Amar on the floor, and how well can we cover ball rotations and kick outs compared to Lovett, Simon, Clark, Ponds, and Owens?
 
This team hasn't defended the 3 well for years. It is not just this year's short rotation.
 
Willie Mays going 0-5? Rarely . But, he also went 5-5 too. With a couple of Homers. I like Simon but, agree 3 points in a big game like Xavier the other night is just awful .. but, for all those who are jumping off the page for his other stats , which are incredible , did Simon have any positive impact in the Xavier game ? He might have filled up the page in other categories but, compare his bad game to Bluetts bad game . Bluett also fills up stat categories . He shot 1-9 as Lappas pointed out but, still scored 15 points . Simon , having a rare bad game , had 3 . And, those missed free throws ! ?. Was that the game ? Maybe .
 
A lot of what you said is fine, but at 38.3%, our 3 point defense is FAR below the average, in fact is 313th out of the 351 Div 1 schools. And, anecdotally, if you watch games, it is obvious that the effort on the 3 point shot, as well as the technique isn't there.
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