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I mean we are pretty bad but we are going to recruit over our 2nd best player? Who still has 2 years left. Is this Marillac?
Simon is part of the solution not part of the problem!
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I mean we are pretty bad but we are going to recruit over our 2nd best player? Who still has 2 years left. Is this Marillac?
Simon is part of the solution not part of the problem!
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Actually does everything pretty well but shoot. And even there he knows his limitations. You can be a bad shooter and still be a decent FT shooter though. Would like to see him get up to at least 70% there.
Ray Morgan
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I will stick with the statement Lappas made: Tough to be a perimeter player in today's college game without being a good shooter. It's easy to see why he was a 5* in high school. With his length and athleticism, he could dominate high school players. He does some things very well, but the primary skill set of a guard, especially someone who has to often play off the ball, is being able to shoot well, especially from 3. He picks his spots well enough to be over 40%, but he turns down a lot of wide open threes. He obviously lacks confidence from 3 range. He also started the year 6 for 7 in the non con schedule, and is 3 for 15 against Big East teams. Still, I'm glad we have him.
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State Zitte cape cazz'! Pete LaMantia couldn't hold Musso's jocka strapa! He'sa da besta Italian playa evva atta San Gians!
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I would say he is a good player whose weaknesses include lack of consistency, rushes his outside shot, appears lost on offense at times especially when the ball is not in his hands and his 47% fg % includes his specialty - driving layups. In short, he plays the game like a 6'5 small forward. IF Ponds returns, I question whether his minutes would decrease with the arrival of two other guards who are actually guards. If we pencil Brooks and Clark with Keita up front where do his minutes get redistributed given his inconsistent game?
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72, you have your opinion . I have mine about Mussini . Yes, he had weaknesses . But, he won more games in his 2 Years here , with his sharp shooting than , Simon or Clark have . You remember the 2 Great Wins over Syracuse ? Who destroyed the Orange ! And , only a Fool would have the temerity to say , we couldn’t have used him badly this year ! Who on this team shoots 42-136 on 3’s like Mussini did last year ? Answer, maybe Clark but , he isn’t a streaky shot like Federico was and it’s a piece that is sorely missing this year . I would take Mussini ‘s mediocrity over several players, who have shown zip down the stretch this year !
I agree Ray with you and Lappas . I like Simon but, the hole in his game is a significant one . BE teams know he is a go to the Rim player and isn’t a threat from outside . They can cheat on D playing him . Yes, he has numbers in a lot of categories but, if you are a perimeter player , you must be able to shoot the J and the 3 Pt shot . Quoting stats like 6-15 in BE play isn’t credible and doesn’t address the fact that he is s very poor shooter from the field and free throw line . We need him to make the outside shot , I don’t see that he can yet . And , will he ever ? Last night Bluett had , for him a very poor game and maybe Simon’s D limited him but , Bluett’s bad game , 15 points I think or something like that , was much better than Simon’s bad game , 3 points is not acceptable for a Starter . Clark had a monster game last night and needs to do that or close to it , nearly every game . He too , has had some poor games as well . This year , in earlier games ,he had 2 fouls in less than 5 minutes . Then spent the rest of the half watching . On this team we don’t have the luxury of any Starter not getting double figures or close to it , every game . When you get 3 points total from Owens and Simon, you want to cringe .
Beast , sorry Shooting 3-15 from 3 isn’t a credible sample or stat . Neither is 47 percent from the Field , if all your Fg’s are lay ups or lay ins at the Rim .Other than that , sure Simon puts up a lot of check marks in many categories . He is a good player but, not a complete player . His outside shooting is more than weak . And , as a result is easily defended . Teams dare him to shoot and why not . Bluett , last night , had a poor game for him . Shot like 1-9 from 3 or something like that . Yet, in a bad game for him , he put up 15 points . Simon had a poor game and put up 3 points . Was it the difference ? Who knows but, 3 points is a awful performance from a Starter .
FG% is credible no matter where the ball goes in from because a basket is a basket. Any argument to the contrary is nonsense and doesn't hold up to basic math. Might as well say that Dr. J. was a crappy shooter. You either make baskets or you don't things like "easily defended" show up in the math and percentages go down. The only valid argument against FG% would be based upon a limited sample. So for example Simon was shooting 100% from 3 for 6 (?) games into the season. No one expected him to be a great shooter. Kudos to him for playing so smart and choosing his shots with such amazing discretion. For a starter second in the league in minutes, he is shooting 47%. Quibble over where those shots were made doesn't change the math. But going back to the original point, this kid is leading the league in steals, top 5 in rebounds! 5-10 in assists, and blocks, one of the better defenders 1-3 and an athletic freak who plays in control and makes mostly good decisions. Calling him one dimensional and quibbling about where his shots come from is extreme nonsense. This kid is a phenomenal basketball player. Would love to see him develop a natural free throw shooting form but that isn't going to happen before the end of this season.
BTW Trimble currently leading the league in A/TO ratio. Brunson second...
BTW Trimble currently leading the league in A/TO ratio. Brunson second...
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You may be confusing me with Fun.
I wasa bigga fana ova Mussini!
As for this Trimble topic.......he is no Mussini.
SJU14
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FG% is credible no matter where the ball goes in from because a basket is a basket. Any argument to the contrary is nonsense and doesn't hold up to basic math. Might as well say that Dr. J. was a crappy shooter. You either make baskets or you don't things like "easily defended" show up in the math and percentages go down. The only valid argument against FG% would be based upon a limited sample. So for example Simon was shooting 100% from 3 for 6 (?) games into the season. No one expected him to be a great shooter. Kudos to him for playing so smart and choosing his shots with such amazing discretion. For a starter second in the league in minutes, he is shooting 47%. Quibble over where those shots were made doesn't change the math. But going back to the original point, this kid is leading the league in steals, top 5 in rebounds! 5-10 in assists, and blocks, one of the better defenders 1-3 and an athletic freak who plays in control and makes mostly good decisions. Calling him one dimensional and quibbling about where his shots come from is extreme nonsense. This kid is a phenomenal basketball player. Would love to see him develop a natural free throw shooting form but that isn't going to happen before the end of this season.
BTW Trimble currently leading the league in A/TO ratio. Brunson second...
Agree completely with this. I've never seen someone complain about some having a good FG% because they get easy shots. Isn't that what we want? A guy that can get to the rim consistently and get lay ups? I would much rather have a guy that shoots 47% off of short distance shots than a guy shooting 40% off mid range shots.
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FG% is credible no matter where the ball goes in from because a basket is a basket. Any argument to the contrary is nonsense and doesn't hold up to basic math. Might as well say that Dr. J. was a crappy shooter. You either make baskets or you don't things like "easily defended" show up in the math and percentages go down. The only valid argument against FG% would be based upon a limited sample. So for example Simon was shooting 100% from 3 for 6 (?) games into the season. No one expected him to be a great shooter. Kudos to him for playing so smart and choosing his shots with such amazing discretion. For a starter second in the league in minutes, he is shooting 47%. Quibble over where those shots were made doesn't change the math. But going back to the original point, this kid is leading the league in steals, top 5 in rebounds! 5-10 in assists, and blocks, one of the better defenders 1-3 and an athletic freak who plays in control and makes mostly good decisions. Calling him one dimensional and quibbling about where his shots come from is extreme nonsense. This kid is a phenomenal basketball player. Would love to see him develop a natural free throw shooting form but that isn't going to happen before the end of this season.
BTW Trimble currently leading the league in A/TO ratio. Brunson second...
Agree completely with this. I've never seen someone complain about some having a good FG% because they get easy shots. Isn't that what we want? A guy that can get to the rim consistently and get lay ups? I would much rather have a guy that shoots 47% off of short distance shots than a guy shooting 40% off mid range shots.
Who said he gets easy shots? He drives and scores like a small forward and is athletic but is not phenomenal as a "guard". If he were, we wouldn't be missing Marcus LoVett as much. He does a lot of things well but except for a couple of games he is not a reliable scorer. The home loss to Xavier is a prime example. He has no step back or pull up jumper and cannot take his man off the dribble. For a top 10 point guard out of high school he has lagged behind at his projected position. His free throw form is as horrendous as Bashir Ahmed's. However, I see potential if he improves his outside shooting and handle. I would be happy if he is as good as DJ Kennedy next year but we shall see.
Dan V
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Well guys wont be playing 40 minutes hopefully next year. As far as rotation minutes I don't see any of those guys taking minutes away from him. He is a lock to start next year imo. We need his defense. Hopefully he can improve his shot, but it's not like he takes 3s knowing he can't make them. He knows his limitations. At 6'5" with long arms he is plenty big enough to play the 3 in college. He also runs PG for us too. I could see Mullin subbing him out late in close games on offense because of FTs and then subbing him back in on D. It's about the 5 guys as a whole, you can play a guard/wing who can't shoot if you have shooting at other positions. Got to have good balance and spacing. I feel like the guys coming in next year in theory fill a lot of the holes we have and will compliment guys who have some flaws like Simon (shooting), Clark (rebounding), and Owens (physicality) by covering their weaknesses.
SJU14
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FG% is credible no matter where the ball goes in from because a basket is a basket. Any argument to the contrary is nonsense and doesn't hold up to basic math. Might as well say that Dr. J. was a crappy shooter. You either make baskets or you don't things like "easily defended" show up in the math and percentages go down. The only valid argument against FG% would be based upon a limited sample. So for example Simon was shooting 100% from 3 for 6 (?) games into the season. No one expected him to be a great shooter. Kudos to him for playing so smart and choosing his shots with such amazing discretion. For a starter second in the league in minutes, he is shooting 47%. Quibble over where those shots were made doesn't change the math. But going back to the original point, this kid is leading the league in steals, top 5 in rebounds! 5-10 in assists, and blocks, one of the better defenders 1-3 and an athletic freak who plays in control and makes mostly good decisions. Calling him one dimensional and quibbling about where his shots come from is extreme nonsense. This kid is a phenomenal basketball player. Would love to see him develop a natural free throw shooting form but that isn't going to happen before the end of this season.
BTW Trimble currently leading the league in A/TO ratio. Brunson second...
Agree completely with this. I've never seen someone complain about some having a good FG% because they get easy shots. Isn't that what we want? A guy that can get to the rim consistently and get lay ups? I would much rather have a guy that shoots 47% off of short distance shots than a guy shooting 40% off mid range shots.
Who said he gets easy shots? He drives and scores like a small forward and is athletic but is not phenomenal as a "guard". If he were, we wouldn't be missing Marcus LoVett as much. He does a lot of things well but except for a couple of games he is not a reliable scorer. The home loss to Xavier is a prime example. He has no step back or pull up jumper and cannot take his man off the dribble. For a top 10 point guard out of high school he has lagged behind at his projected position. His free throw form is as horrendous as Bashir Ahmed's. However, I see potential if he improves his outside shooting and handle. I would be happy if he is as good as DJ Kennedy next year but we shall see.
He can’t take his man off the dribble? I actually think that is what he does best