The Coronavirus

[beast of the east]

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[Eric]

[quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

I am not one for politics either side and I certainly will not be getting into any political debates but go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion. No need to listen to what others are saying from either side of the political spectrum.

 

[beast of the east]

[quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

Go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion.[/quote]

I am comfortable with the concept of exceptional leaders with foresight and vision looking out for the overall best interests of our country (and not special interests). We must preserve the public interest of health, and the public must respond (which I'm less confident of). With contagious disease, you almost need a police state to keep people apart.

We do however have to get the economy going as fast as reasonably safe. We can't continue to print money and perpetuate this staggering debt.

WTF did Shake Shack get a $10 million loan it didn't need. Why did the Kennedy center get $25 million, Harvard with a $45 billion endowment got $10 million. These politicians who never worked a day in their life and many who got rich on illegitimate business deals peddling their influence should be shot.

Governor Cuomo published a family dinner photo - no one had face coverings, no one was 6 feet apart, and one infected person could have gotten everyone else sick - even if that person was asymptomatic. So even the person on the vanguard of public safety gave a ridiculously bad example.

My kids came over Saturday for a sentinel event. We had masks on, they didn't stay to eat, and they dropped off a thoughtful gift. We didn't hug or touch. This is the kind of vigilance we all have to practice to get over this. If only 80% of people practice this.

New York has so many terrifying circumstances, no one can rationally argue for individual rights to do what you wish. 41 transit workers have died, another 1500 positive, and 6000 in total are quarantined.

Nursing homes, veterans homes, and retirement communities have fatality rates that are crazy.

Both latino and African American populations have disproportionate death rates, for many reasons.

Some of you on this thread were way ahead of the rest of us to sound the alarm early.

I am a healthcare professional and have many in my family. Many facilities are giving exams with the longest result wait times in order to keep nurses and doctors working. How horrifying is that thought?

I do believe however, that a methodical well conceived return to work strategy can be rolled out almost immediately in the least affected areas and lowest population areas.

It has been promulgated that the supply chain manufacturing must be brought home substantially asap to avoid critical supplies being held captive by foreign companies, or outbreaks in a single place don't paralyze our own economy in the future. I believe that to be prudent, even if it results in some higher costs.

I think these protests, while understandable to an extent in concept, and with a bit of substance behind them, are ridiculous. On the other hand, police breaking up drive in Sunday religious services, and a large handful of other frankly stupid heavy handed measures just rile up the public.

On the other hand, opening up Florida beaches could be too soon, although I heard that the Jacksonville photos published were stock photos and didn't reflect what was actually going on.

I do think we need a national policy on social distancing that's universal, even in low incidence areas.

There is a consequence for allowing people to work off the books, not paying taxing or having social security numbers, no healthcare insurance, and living in conditions where 20 or more adults often share living quarters in a house. The consequence they have to be cared for at the public expense when sick, they are spreading the disease in close quarters, and unable to work in restaurants or other service areas, no paycheck and no stimulus checks. It's a fallout for having an under the radar population and economy.

Stay well Eric, MCNPA, and anyone else in harms way.

 

[Eric]

[quote="Beast of the East" post=385476][quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

Go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion.[/quote]

I am comfortable with the concept of exceptional leaders with foresight and vision looking out for the overall best interests of our country (and not special interests). We must preserve the public interest of health, and the public must respond (which I'm less confident of). With contagious disease, you almost need a police state to keep people apart.

Governor Cuomo published a family dinner photo - no one had face coverings, no one was 6 feet apart, and one infected person could have gotten everyone else sick - even if that person was asymptomatic. So even the person on the vanguard of public safety gave a ridiculously bad example.

My kids came over Saturday for a sentinel event. We had masks on, they didn't stay to eat, and they dropped off a thoughtful gift. We didn't hug or touch. This is the kind of vigilance we all have to practice to get over this. If only 80% of people practice this.

New York has so many terrifying circumstances, only a complete idiot would argue for individual rights to do what you wish. 41 transit workers have died, another 1500 positive, and 6000 in total are quarantined.

Nursing homes, veterans homes, and retirement communities have fatality rates that are crazy.

Both latino and African American populations have disproportionate death rates, for many reasons.

Some of you on this thread were way ahead of the rest of us to sound the alarm early.

I am a healthcare professional and have many in my family. Many facilities are giving exams with the longest result wait times in order to keep nurses and doctors working. How horrifying is that thought?

I do believe however, that a methodical well conceived return to work strategy can be rolled out almost immediately in the least affected areas and lowest population areas.

It has been promulgated that the supply chain manufacturing must be brought home substantially asap to avoid critical supplies being held captive by foreign companies, or outbreaks in a single place don't paralyze our own economy in the future. I believe that to be prudent, even if it results in some higher costs.

I think these protests, while understandable to an extent in concept, and with a bit of substance behind them, are ridiculous. On the other hand, police breaking up drive in Sunday religious services, and a large handful of other frankly stupid heavy handed measures just rile up the public.

On the other hand, opening up Florida beaches could be too soon, although I heard that the Jacksonville photos published were stock photos and didn't reflect what was actually going on.

Stay well Eric, MCNPA, and anyone else in harms way.[/quote]

Thanks Beast.

I too agree that in the rural areas where the numbers are very low things can and should open up sooner for sure. I just hope it is done correctly. I think masking is so important, otherwise, I don't think it will work. For us here in the new york area, who the heck knows how long this will be.

As for the florida beaches, I personally do not think they should be open but if people go please wear masks!!!

 

[beast of the east]

[quote="Eric" post=385480][quote="Beast of the East" post=385476][quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

Go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion.[/quote]

I am comfortable with the concept of exceptional leaders with foresight and vision looking out for the overall best interests of our country (and not special interests). We must preserve the public interest of health, and the public must respond (which I'm less confident of). With contagious disease, you almost need a police state to keep people apart.

Governor Cuomo published a family dinner photo - no one had face coverings, no one was 6 feet apart, and one infected person could have gotten everyone else sick - even if that person was asymptomatic. So even the person on the vanguard of public safety gave a ridiculously bad example.

My kids came over Saturday for a sentinel event. We had masks on, they didn't stay to eat, and they dropped off a thoughtful gift. We didn't hug or touch. This is the kind of vigilance we all have to practice to get over this. If only 80% of people practice this.

New York has so many terrifying circumstances, only a complete idiot would argue for individual rights to do what you wish. 41 transit workers have died, another 1500 positive, and 6000 in total are quarantined.

Nursing homes, veterans homes, and retirement communities have fatality rates that are crazy.

Both latino and African American populations have disproportionate death rates, for many reasons.

Some of you on this thread were way ahead of the rest of us to sound the alarm early.

I am a healthcare professional and have many in my family. Many facilities are giving exams with the longest result wait times in order to keep nurses and doctors working. How horrifying is that thought?

I do believe however, that a methodical well conceived return to work strategy can be rolled out almost immediately in the least affected areas and lowest population areas.

It has been promulgated that the supply chain manufacturing must be brought home substantially asap to avoid critical supplies being held captive by foreign companies, or outbreaks in a single place don't paralyze our own economy in the future. I believe that to be prudent, even if it results in some higher costs.

I think these protests, while understandable to an extent in concept, and with a bit of substance behind them, are ridiculous. On the other hand, police breaking up drive in Sunday religious services, and a large handful of other frankly stupid heavy handed measures just rile up the public.

On the other hand, opening up Florida beaches could be too soon, although I heard that the Jacksonville photos published were stock photos and didn't reflect what was actually going on.

Stay well Eric, MCNPA, and anyone else in harms way.[/quote]

Thanks Beast.

I too agree that in the rural areas where the numbers are very low things can and should open up sooner for sure. I just hope it is done correctly. I think masking is so important, otherwise, I don't think it will work. For us here in the new york area, who the heck knows how long this will be.

As for the florida beaches, I personally do not think they should be open but if people go please wear masks!!![/quote]

Gloves also important when shopping for certain or travelling on mass transit. Shopping wagons can be infected., so can seats and handrails.

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

[quote="Class of 72" post=385454][quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=385435]My Dad fought the Japanese in Burma WWII - his widow, my mom Nina, has been entitled to reside in the same Veterans Home in St. Albans Queens near St. John’s.
She is 94, diabetic with poor vision and hearing. However she has all of her mental faculties, a pleasant personality and the staff loves her. Mom daily pushes herself around the building to say hi to patients and staff and 5 days a week goes to the gym and rides the stationery bike for 40 minutes.
Now w the virus she is confined to her room. People are dying on a weekly basis.
The isolation and lack of movement may kill her before the virus has a chance. So depressing.
And my kids, siblings and I cannot visit. That might be the worst when a family member has to suffer alone,
My mom is still with us but the situation is so unpleasant and uncertain...it is easy for me to be compassionate with others similarly situated.
And no matter how old a loved one is, when you lose or might lose someone in your heart, there is only pain.
Thanks for listening.
Blessings to all![/quote]

I sympathize with you my friend. One of my best friends mom died last week at 95 in a Nursing Home and she was buried at national cemetery on Long Island. Only 2 members of the family were allowed and they had to leave their cell phones in the car so no pictures were taken. I am grateful to God that my 95 year old dad died in February before this insanity when our family and friends were able to give a proper funeral and mass.[/quote]

Thanks to all - know most of us love St.Johns’ basketball and take recruiting and wins and coaching to heart - but coronavirus puts life into perspective AND
I knew I would get such friendly and supportive posts after the situation with my mom.
God bless each one of us and our families.

 

[Wolfie]

This public health crisis should not have deteriorated into a political food fight but it has and that is pathetic and damnable.
Truth is COVID-19 is far more infectious and deadlier than the flu.
Current cases globally stand at over 2.4mm, with ~168,000 deaths. Even if the death rate is inflated and 7.3mm have been infected, that still equates to a death rate of 2.2% versus 0.1% for the seasonal flu.
Our City is as dense as it is diverse. Our rusted out monstrosity of a subway system alone rumbles below and above ground over 600 miles of track across 36 lines and 400 stations.
But ANY city will have more cases of this than most rural areas.
Even Sioux City, SD has seen a spike in cases in recent weeks and there ain't a subway system there.
Truth is ALL levels of government in this country--federal, city, local--botched preparing for and managing this pandemic. The critical key is to get it right now.
We should reopen the country prudently and apply different strategies as needed.

 

[fuchsia]

SS&G, if your mom does e-mail send her address to those of us you think would be okay correspondents and let her get more electronic interruption of her isolation. You pick who you think would be of value getting in touch. Was your dad part of Merrill's Marauders, one of the toughest units ever?

I for one think the risks are too high without a viable clinical intervention and eventually a vaccine. The thing we don't know because of all the testing snafus is the actual lethality of COVID19. You can't calculate without a denominator and testing is nowhere near the level needed to determine actual infection rate in population.

 

[panther2]

SS&G, wishing the best for your Mom. I live two blocks away from the V Hospital that she is in.

As for the coronavirus itself, I agree with Beast and will take my advice from the medical personnel involved since we are resilient enough to come back from almost anything but DEATH.

 

[Class of 72]

[quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

I am not one for politics either side and I certainly will not be getting into any political debates but go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion. No need to listen to what others are saying from either side of the political spectrum.[/quote]

Sadly it is the politicians and biased media outlets that include online media owned by democratic billionaires like Google and Jeff Bezos who owns the Washington Post that has polarized and weaponized the virus. There will be volumes of books written by all sides. Only a few will be objective while most will be politically tinged opinion papers not worthy to wipe our asses with.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

[quote="Class of 72" post=385512][quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

I am not one for politics either side and I certainly will not be getting into any political debates but go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion. No need to listen to what others are saying from either side of the political spectrum.[/quote]

Sadly it is the politicians and biased media outlets that include online media owned by democratic billionaires like Google and Jeff Bezos who owns the Washington Post that has polarized and weaponized the virus. There will be volumes of books written by all sides. Only a few will be objective while most will be politically tinged opinion papers not worthy to wipe our asses with.[/quote]
Yet, given the paucity of toilet paper these days...

 

[beast of the east]

[quote="Class of 72" post=385512][quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

I am not one for politics either side and I certainly will not be getting into any political debates but go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion. No need to listen to what others are saying from either side of the political spectrum.[/quote]

Sadly it is the politicians and biased media outlets that include online media owned by democratic billionaires like Google and Jeff Bezos who owns the Washington Post that has polarized and weaponized the virus. There will be volumes of books written by all sides. Only a few will be objective while most will be politically tinged opinion papers not worthy to wipe our asses with.[/quote]

Unfortunately, politicians have made the Corona virus recovery and strategy a political weapon for the 2020 Presidential election. The inability of this being a completely bipartisan effort has a lot to do with November

 

[panther2]

[quote="Beast of the East" post=385525][quote="Class of 72" post=385512][quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

I am not one for politics either side and I certainly will not be getting into any political debates but go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion. No need to listen to what others are saying from either side of the political spectrum.[/quote]

Sadly it is the politicians and biased media outlets that include online media owned by democratic billionaires like Google and Jeff Bezos who owns the Washington Post that has polarized and weaponized the virus. There will be volumes of books written by all sides. Only a few will be objective while most will be politically tinged opinion papers not worthy to wipe our asses with.[/quote]

Unfortunately, politicians have made the Corona virus recovery and strategy a political weapon for the 2020 Presidential election. The inability of this being a completely bipartisan effort has a lot to do with November[/quote]


The United States has 4% of the worlds population and 25% of the deaths from the coronavirus. Something is very wrong with this equation. If you take credit during the good times, you have to take responsibility when things go wrong. This situation went bad when it was not taken seriously in January and February. It was labeled a hoax and fake news. Intelligence agencies and Medical Professionals sounded warnings but no action was taken until the middle of March.

It is now April 20th and I am watching VP Pence talk about getting tests out to the states. Political ideology aside, the response to this Pandemic has been a total disaster. The death toll in the United States has doubled in the past week.

I do not believe that any rational thinking human being can say that this administration has handled the Pandemic in a responsible and successful manner.

 

[NCJohnnie]

I know we are not supposed to delve into politics but as Panther aptly points out the numbers and timeline don't lie. This has been the worst display of non-leadership I have seen in my lifetime of 67 years. A president who encourages protests, while completely inappropriately raising the 2nd amendment as he does so, against the very standards he has recommended states to follow as to how and when to ease restrictions does not deserve to be listened to at all. He is a bad joke that is way past its time. Sorry, but I couldn't resist responding to some of the prior posts.

 

[beast of the east]

[quote="panther2" post=385536][quote="Beast of the East" post=385525][quote="Class of 72" post=385512][quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

I am not one for politics either side and I certainly will not be getting into any political debates but go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion. No need to listen to what others are saying from either side of the political spectrum.[/quote]

Sadly it is the politicians and biased media outlets that include online media owned by democratic billionaires like Google and Jeff Bezos who owns the Washington Post that has polarized and weaponized the virus. There will be volumes of books written by all sides. Only a few will be objective while most will be politically tinged opinion papers not worthy to wipe our asses with.[/quote]

Unfortunately, politicians have made the Corona virus recovery and strategy a political weapon for the 2020 Presidential election. The inability of this being a completely bipartisan effort has a lot to do with November[/quote]


The United States has 4% of the worlds population and 25% of the deaths from the coronavirus. Something is very wrong with this equation. If you take credit during the good times, you have to take responsibility when things go wrong. This situation went bad when it was not taken seriously in January and February. It was labeled a hoax and fake news. Intelligence agencies and Medical Professionals sounded warnings but no action was taken until the middle of March.

It is now April 20th and I am watching VP Pence talk about getting tests out to the states. Political ideology aside, the response to this Pandemic has been a total disaster. The death toll in the United States has doubled in the past week.

I do not believe that any rational thinking human being can say that this administration has handled the Pandemic in a responsible and successful manner.[/quote]

Unfortunately, your timelines are way off Panther, and you are mostly parroting stuff reported by certain news agencies andidealogues:

[URL]https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/31/21117403/trump-coronavirus-ban-travel-non-us-citizens-china[/URL]

There are better sources, but Trumped banned travel from China as a result of Corona on January 31 and was lambasted by the left as being xenophobic and inherently racist. You can argue the latter part of that sentence, but you cannot deny that Trump travel ban is an indication that his administration was on this in late January and not mid march as you suggest.

I say this to all my friends, and I train myself to do the same. When you get all of your news from one source, we do this to just reinforce our own opinions about our own political ideologies. I try to find unbiased sources and studies, such as the pew research center.

I'm not saying you don't do these things, but factually to say the Trump administration didn't do anything until mid march is completely and factually incorrect.

I've heard DeBlasio say these things recently and then say he was leading the pack in terms of a response. Then of course there is a late January/early February video interview with him saying the Corona virus is less significant than the common cold and most people who get it have no symptoms at all and it is not a risk to the public at large.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/nyregion/coronavirus-bill-de-blasio.html[/URL]

Cuomo and deBlasio stating in mid march that the risk to New Yorkers is low:

[URL]https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-coronaviris-coronavirus-news-update/5978615/[/URL]

Notice those sources: not fox news.

[URL]https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-coronaviris-coronavirus-news-update/5978615/[/URL]

 

[panther2]

[quote="Beast of the East" post=385546][quote="panther2" post=385536][quote="Beast of the East" post=385525][quote="Class of 72" post=385512][quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

I am not one for politics either side and I certainly will not be getting into any political debates but go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion. No need to listen to what others are saying from either side of the political spectrum.[/quote]

Sadly it is the politicians and biased media outlets that include online media owned by democratic billionaires like Google and Jeff Bezos who owns the Washington Post that has polarized and weaponized the virus. There will be volumes of books written by all sides. Only a few will be objective while most will be politically tinged opinion papers not worthy to wipe our asses with.[/quote]

Unfortunately, politicians have made the Corona virus recovery and strategy a political weapon for the 2020 Presidential election. The inability of this being a completely bipartisan effort has a lot to do with November[/quote]


The United States has 4% of the worlds population and 25% of the deaths from the coronavirus. Something is very wrong with this equation. If you take credit during the good times, you have to take responsibility when things go wrong. This situation went bad when it was not taken seriously in January and February. It was labeled a hoax and fake news. Intelligence agencies and Medical Professionals sounded warnings but no action was taken until the middle of March.

It is now April 20th and I am watching VP Pence talk about getting tests out to the states. Political ideology aside, the response to this Pandemic has been a total disaster. The death toll in the United States has doubled in the past week.

I do not believe that any rational thinking human being can say that this administration has handled the Pandemic in a responsible and successful manner.[/quote]

Unfortunately, your timelines are way off Panther, and you are mostly parroting stuff reported by certain news agencies andidealogues:

[URL]https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/31/21117403/trump-coronavirus-ban-travel-non-us-citizens-china[/URL]

There are better sources, but Trumped banned travel from China as a result of Corona on January 31 and was lambasted by the left as being xenophobic and inherently racist. You can argue the latter part of that sentence, but you cannot deny that Trump travel ban is an indication that his administration was on this in late January and not mid march as you suggest.

I say this to all my friends, and I train myself to do the same. When you get all of your news from one source, we do this to just reinforce our own opinions about our own political ideologies. I try to find unbiased sources and studies, such as the pew research center.

I'm not saying you don't do these things, but factually to say the Trump administration didn't do anything until mid march is completely and factually incorrect.

I've heard DeBlasio say these things recently and then say he was leading the pack in terms of a response. Then of course there is a late January/early February video interview with him saying the Corona virus is less significant than the common cold and most people who get it have no symptoms at all and it is not a risk to the public at large.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/nyregion/coronavirus-bill-de-blasio.html[/URL]

Cuomo and deBlasio stating in mid march that the risk to New Yorkers is low:

[URL]https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-coronaviris-coronavirus-news-update/5978615/[/URL]

Notice those sources: not fox news.

[URL]https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-coronaviris-coronavirus-news-update/5978615/[/URL][/quote]


My timelines are not way off. Tell me how this administration has successfully dealt with the coronavirus pandemic. Instead of talking about what the President has done yu bring Cuomo and DeBlasio into the conversation. They are not the President.

 

[NCJohnnie]

This idea of what news source you get your facts from dictating opinion doesn't matter here. Just listen to our President's news conferences and what comes out of his mouth/tweets. The idea of a President calling public justice officials human scum and the speaker of the house a dumb individual is thankfully unprecedented and will hopefully not be repeated. America should and will be better than that.

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

Law Students in ‘No Man’s Land’ as Coronavirus Delays Bar Exams

Thousands of soon-to-be law school graduates across the U.S. are uncertain about their job status


By Patrick Thomas / WALL STREET JOURNAL

April 19, 2020

Sarah Beechay is graduating from Hofstra University’s law school this spring and has a job lined up working in the family law department of the Legal Aid Society of Nassau County in New York. Now she isn’t sure when she will be able to work.

Like many graduating law school students, she has seen her plans turned upside down as the coronavirus pandemic has spread and led states to cancel or postpone the July bar exam. Passing the bar before practicing as an attorney is a requirement in most states.

“It has probably been the most stressful time of law school,” said Ms. Beechay, who is 25 years old. “Every day I’m stressed, all my friends are stressed, and it’s all we can talk about. It’s like I can see the light at the end of the tunnel and everything just collapsed.”



Ms. Beechay and the roughly 46,000 other soon-to-be law graduates across the U.S. who planned to take the July bar exam are now uncertain what their job status will be if they can’t take the test that permits them to be an attorney. In addition to a delayed bar exam, the job market for lawyers is starting to dry up. Law firms have reduced staff and cut pay as courts are largely closed, settlement discussions are on pause and few new deals are being struck.

In most jurisdictions, the bar exam is offered twice a year, in February and July. It is made available to the individual state courts that administer it by the National Conference of Bar Examiners, or NCBE. Earlier this month, the NCBE said it made additional tests available for Sept. 9-10 and Sept. 30-Oct. 1 for states that postpone the July test date.

States including New York, Hawaii and Massachusetts have announced plans to cancel or delay the summer bar exam. Each has to make its own decision whether to move the bar. States can also decide to implement temporary orders that allow new graduates to practice law and forgo taking the bar until 2021.


The Utah Supreme Court said earlier this month it will consider waiving the bar exam requirement for recent law school graduates. Decisions are based on a variety of factors including office closures, state and local restrictions on gatherings, and test venue availability, NCBE spokeswoman Valerie Hickman said.

The group is exploring what it would take to allow people to take the bar exam online. The NCBE is consulting with technology and security experts, but an online test is difficult to administer because the exam is 12 hours long and conducted over two days, Ms. Hickman said.

“The job market is beyond grim, and then they are in this no man’s land,” New York State Bar Association President Hank Greenberg said of new graduates’ inability to take the bar.



Matthew Bradley, 23, is graduating from Notre Dame’s law school this spring and has been planning to work for a law firm in Denver. His future employment at the firm hinges on his ability to take and pass the bar. So far, the state of Colorado hasn’t moved its scheduled bar exam date, but Mr. Bradley fears it is only a matter of time before every state alters its testing plans.

“If it got postponed, frankly, I don’t know what I would do,” Mr. Bradley said. “I couldn’t work. I have lots of bills to pay. It would create a domino effect for my future. I don’t think anyone in the class of 2020 is feeling very optimistic right now.”

Earlier this month, New York, which typically tests about 10,000 new law grads each summer, canceled the July exam and moved it to September. The postponement is creating a new logistical problem. The New York State Board of Law Examiners has said it can’t use the same large venues it typically does to administer the September exam. One of the state’s largest testing centers, the Javits Center in Manhattan, is currently being used as a hospital.




“It’s far from certain where we’ll be in early September,” Mr. Greenberg of the New York State Bar Association said, adding that it is possible the September bar exam dates could also be changed.

States including New York could decide to adopt an order that would allow new law graduates to work under the supervision of a licensed attorney until they can take the bar in 2021, either the February or July sittings, he said.

To accommodate test takers in smaller venues, the state board said it will have to prioritize which candidates will be able to take the test in the fall. So far it is unclear how that process would work.

The American Bar Association Board of Governors is urging jurisdictions to authorize some recent graduates to practice law in a limited way before they get to sit for the bar.






Students including Mr. Bradley and some law schools have advocated for this year’s class to practice with just a law degree and no bar certification. The dean of Drake University’s law school, Jerry Anderson, and the Creighton University law school dean, Joshua P. Fershée, wrote to the Iowa Supreme Court urging such a proposal. Wisconsin has a diploma privilege system that allows many lawyers to practice without taking the bar exam.



Are you or is someone in your family graduating from law school this year? How has the coronavirus pandemic upended your plans? Join the conversation below.

Emily Davis, 25, is graduating from Rutgers Law School this spring and is hoping to take the New York bar exam in September. She said her employer has said it will still take her in the fall, but now she is nervous she won’t be one of the students prioritized for the September exam.

“We don’t know when to start preparing to take it,” she said. “We also have to spend a huge amount of money on bar prep courses. I was planning on starting work in the fall with a good job, being able to pay my student loans. Everything just gets put on pause, but the financial burdens are still there.”

 

[beast of the east]

[quote="panther2" post=385548][quote="Beast of the East" post=385546][quote="panther2" post=385536][quote="Beast of the East" post=385525][quote="Class of 72" post=385512][quote="Eric" post=385473][quote="Logen" post=385440]Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.[/quote]

I am not one for politics either side and I certainly will not be getting into any political debates but go to any hospital in the city and long island and see for yourself what is going on. I think you would change your opinion. No need to listen to what others are saying from either side of the political spectrum.[/quote]

Sadly it is the politicians and biased media outlets that include online media owned by democratic billionaires like Google and Jeff Bezos who owns the Washington Post that has polarized and weaponized the virus. There will be volumes of books written by all sides. Only a few will be objective while most will be politically tinged opinion papers not worthy to wipe our asses with.[/quote]

Unfortunately, politicians have made the Corona virus recovery and strategy a political weapon for the 2020 Presidential election. The inability of this being a completely bipartisan effort has a lot to do with November[/quote]


The United States has 4% of the worlds population and 25% of the deaths from the coronavirus. Something is very wrong with this equation. If you take credit during the good times, you have to take responsibility when things go wrong. This situation went bad when it was not taken seriously in January and February. It was labeled a hoax and fake news. Intelligence agencies and Medical Professionals sounded warnings but no action was taken until the middle of March.

It is now April 20th and I am watching VP Pence talk about getting tests out to the states. Political ideology aside, the response to this Pandemic has been a total disaster. The death toll in the United States has doubled in the past week.

I do not believe that any rational thinking human being can say that this administration has handled the Pandemic in a responsible and successful manner.[/quote]

Unfortunately, your timelines are way off Panther, and you are mostly parroting stuff reported by certain news agencies andidealogues:

[URL]https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/31/21117403/trump-coronavirus-ban-travel-non-us-citizens-china[/URL]

There are better sources, but Trumped banned travel from China as a result of Corona on January 31 and was lambasted by the left as being xenophobic and inherently racist. You can argue the latter part of that sentence, but you cannot deny that Trump travel ban is an indication that his administration was on this in late January and not mid march as you suggest.

I say this to all my friends, and I train myself to do the same. When you get all of your news from one source, we do this to just reinforce our own opinions about our own political ideologies. I try to find unbiased sources and studies, such as the pew research center.

I'm not saying you don't do these things, but factually to say the Trump administration didn't do anything until mid march is completely and factually incorrect.

I've heard DeBlasio say these things recently and then say he was leading the pack in terms of a response. Then of course there is a late January/early February video interview with him saying the Corona virus is less significant than the common cold and most people who get it have no symptoms at all and it is not a risk to the public at large.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/nyregion/coronavirus-bill-de-blasio.html[/URL]

Cuomo and deBlasio stating in mid march that the risk to New Yorkers is low:

[URL]https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-coronaviris-coronavirus-news-update/5978615/[/URL]

Notice those sources: not fox news.

[URL]https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-coronaviris-coronavirus-news-update/5978615/[/URL][/quote]


My timelines are not way off. Tell me how this administration has successfully dealt with the coronavirus pandemic. Instead of talking about what the President has done yu bring Cuomo and DeBlasio into the conversation. They are not the President.[/quote]

You said nothing was done until mid march by wsshingtom. That's a flat out lie.promulgated by certain politicians and media outlets. Trump acted decisively on january 31st to close off travel from China. That's a fact. Refute that

 

[monte]

[quote="otis" post=378826]I am interested in soliciting your thoughts regarding the Coronavirus.

How serious do you believe it is or will become. Are you taking any precautions beyond washing your hands more ofter ?

Thanks.

NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO A POLITICAL DEBATE. OR DISCUSSION.[/quote]

So much for your OP, and about not turning this in to a political discussion. lol.