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JSJ - thank you for sharing the article above. Here is the link if anyone wants to share it.
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...rus-colleges-universities-admissions.amp.html[/URL]

I have twins who are finishing their junior year and I know there are money posters with children entering college, in college or graduating college. This is an extremely difficult period as a parent but it must be even harder as a student. We began the college search early and probably visited ten schools. We are trying to proceed under the assumption that things will be close to normal in August/September of 2021 but who knows.

I do think that like everything else this will impact schools with small endowments and lower graduation rates the most. In my opinion schools like the University of Chicago did not need to freeze salaries or Harvard cut kitchen staff right now. This just sets off panic. However many schools that are less capitalized might have to.
 
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[quote="Andrew" post=385165]JSJ - thank you for sharing the article above. Here is the link if anyone wants to share it.
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...rus-colleges-universities-admissions.amp.html[/URL]

I have twins who are finishing their junior year and I know there are money posters with children entering college, in college or graduating college. This is an extremely difficult period as a parent but it must be even harder as a student. We began the college search early and probably visited ten schools. We are trying to proceed under the assumption that things will be close to normal in August/September of 2021 but who knows.

I do think that like everything else this will impact schools with small endowments and lower graduation rates the most. In my opinion schools like the University of Chicago did not need to freeze salaries or Harvard cut kitchen staff right now. This just sets off panic. However many schools that are less capitalized might have to.[/quote]

Andrew you are faced with some difficult choices to make. I only applied to one school - St. John's, after transferring from Queens College, where I never felt comfortable at all. Today, college choice has emotional value as a destination, and not just the vehicle it should be. To be fair, kids today at the top end of classes work much harder than kids in my generation. There was always the goal of getting into the best school possible, and the four year experience going way beyond just academics.

It spears colleges will be ready to accept students by late August or September on schedule to begin classes. However, that being said, I would not want to pay private school tuition for at home learning should this thing drag on and on. With fears that this virus can be seasonal, maybe there is some consideration for avoiding crowded Northeastern cities, I don't know.

Good luck. IT's a difficult choice that will become clearer over the next 60 days.

Wow, twins entering college. Lucky you.

I remember when my second daughter entered Villanova, I read an article about negotiating with colleges for discounts when a second or third child entered simultaneous. I called the college and was told, we can pass your message along but we have a family here with 4 kids here as undergraduates at the same time, and the school didn't take off a dime.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=385166][quote="Andrew" post=385165]JSJ - thank you for sharing the article above. Here is the link if anyone wants to share it.
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...rus-colleges-universities-admissions.amp.html[/URL]

I have twins who are finishing their junior year and I know there are money posters with children entering college, in college or graduating college. This is an extremely difficult period as a parent but it must be even harder as a student. We began the college search early and probably visited ten schools. We are trying to proceed under the assumption that things will be close to normal in August/September of 2021 but who knows.

I do think that like everything else this will impact schools with small endowments and lower graduation rates the most. In my opinion schools like the University of Chicago did not need to freeze salaries or Harvard cut kitchen staff right now. This just sets off panic. However many schools that are less capitalized might have to.[/quote]

Andrew you are faced with some difficult choices to make. I only applied to one school - St. John's, after transferring from Queens College, where I never felt comfortable at all. Today, college choice has emotional value as a destination, and not just the vehicle it should be. To be fair, kids today at the top end of classes work much harder than kids in my generation. There was always the goal of getting into the best school possible, and the four year experience going way beyond just academics.

It spears colleges will be ready to accept students by late August or September on schedule to begin classes. However, that being said, I would not want to pay private school tuition for at home learning should this thing drag on and on. With fears that this virus can be seasonal, maybe there is some consideration for avoiding crowded Northeastern cities, I don't know.

Good luck. IT's a difficult choice that will become clearer over the next 60 days.

Wow, twins entering college. Lucky you.

I remember when my second daughter entered Villanova, I read an article about negotiating with colleges for discounts when a second or third child entered simultaneous. I called the college and was told, we can pass your message along but we have a family here with 4 kids here as undergraduates at the same time, and the school didn't take off a dime.[/quote]

Thanks Beast. I may get in touch with you regarding Villanova.
 
Thank you for posting the article. Just shared with my sister. My nephew is going to St. John’s in the fall and accepted dorming there

If classes online. Is it worth the tuition?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=385158][quote="sjc88" post=385153]Just received my 2nd Half School Property Tax Bill reminder. Still Fully due and payable by May 11. Pay late still a penalty. Needs state legislature or Governor to delay or waive late fees. Has not happened.

So no school for a month and probably rest of the year but out of work taxpayers can’t even get a delay. How long do you think we can hold on. Shameful.[/quote]

There is school. It's all remote learning. Teachers are working full time and on payroll. Students have transitioned to home learning and are being given assignment and many using google classroom or other tools. Kids may not be in school but except for the cost of heating the buildings and other discretionary costs, everything from landscaping, to building maintenance, to staffing remain the same.

If you have a hardship, perhaps make a call.

Keep in mind that Congress just blocked a bill that would extend 250 billion of additional funds towards small businesses who employ 80% of Americans. This was blocked because they tried to get additional non related items tacked to specific targeted bills. My small company is ineligible for any government assistance under the affiliated entity rules of this $2.2 trillion bailout. We've yet to lay off, furlough, or reduce the hours of a single worker, but cannot do so on an unlimited basis. This exclusion of my company and those like it, who receive no funding whatsoever from affiliated entities could put thousands of small businesses and their employees in peril.[/quote]

Hope you are feeling better Beast and hope things change for the better sooner rather than later in spite of the partisan politics being played out at the expense of hard working and suffering Americans. Those politicians playing that game will pay a price eventually.
 
[quote="Phil G" post=385168]Thank you for posting the article. Just shared with my sister. My nephew is going to St. John’s in the fall and accepted dorming there

If classes online. Is it worth the tuition?[/quote]

I think tuitions across the country will be adjusted this coming year as a one time formula to address this issue.
However, distance learning has been around for a while now and the University of Phoenix and many other schools have a strong online presence. I suspect things will normalize by the 21-22 school year. Until then schools who can adjust the fastest will remain important attractions for prospective college students.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=385175][quote="Phil G" post=385168]Thank you for posting the article. Just shared with my sister. My nephew is going to St. John’s in the fall and accepted dorming there

If classes online. Is it worth the tuition?[/quote]

I think tuitions across the country will be adjusted this coming year as a one time formula to address this issue.
However, distance learning has been around for a while now and the University of Phoenix and many other schools have a strong online presence. I suspect things will normalize by the 21-22 school year. Until then schools who can adjust the fastest will remain important attractions for prospective college students.[/quote]

Good point- Here is a list of some. Those with a strong physical presence like Ohio State could be good options.

[URL]https://www.usnews.com/education/online-education/bachelors/rankings[/URL]
 
[quote="Andrew" post=385167][quote="Beast of the East" post=385166][quote="Andrew" post=385165]JSJ - thank you for sharing the article above. Here is the link if anyone wants to share it.
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...rus-colleges-universities-admissions.amp.html[/URL]

I have twins who are finishing their junior year and I know there are money posters with children entering college, in college or graduating college. This is an extremely difficult period as a parent but it must be even harder as a student. We began the college search early and probably visited ten schools. We are trying to proceed under the assumption that things will be close to normal in August/September of 2021 but who knows.

I do think that like everything else this will impact schools with small endowments and lower graduation rates the most. In my opinion schools like the University of Chicago did not need to freeze salaries or Harvard cut kitchen staff right now. This just sets off panic. However many schools that are less capitalized might have to.[/quote]

Andrew you are faced with some difficult choices to make. I only applied to one school - St. John's, after transferring from Queens College, where I never felt comfortable at all. Today, college choice has emotional value as a destination, and not just the vehicle it should be. To be fair, kids today at the top end of classes work much harder than kids in my generation. There was always the goal of getting into the best school possible, and the four year experience going way beyond just academics.

It spears colleges will be ready to accept students by late August or September on schedule to begin classes. However, that being said, I would not want to pay private school tuition for at home learning should this thing drag on and on. With fears that this virus can be seasonal, maybe there is some consideration for avoiding crowded Northeastern cities, I don't know.

Good luck. IT's a difficult choice that will become clearer over the next 60 days.

Wow, twins entering college. Lucky you.

I remember when my second daughter entered Villanova, I read an article about negotiating with colleges for discounts when a second or third child entered simultaneous. I called the college and was told, we can pass your message along but we have a family here with 4 kids here as undergraduates at the same time, and the school didn't take off a dime.[/quote]

Thanks Beast. I may get in touch with you regarding Villanova.[/quote]

By all means. PM me and I'll give you my cell
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=385158][quote="sjc88" post=385153]Just received my 2nd Half School Property Tax Bill reminder. Still Fully due and payable by May 11. Pay late still a penalty. Needs state legislature or Governor to delay or waive late fees. Has not happened.

So no school for a month and probably rest of the year but out of work taxpayers can’t even get a delay. How long do you think we can hold on. Shameful.[/quote]

There is school. It's all remote learning. Teachers are working full time and on payroll. Students have transitioned to home learning and are being given assignment and many using google classroom or other tools. Kids may not be in school but except for the cost of heating the buildings and other discretionary costs, everything from landscaping, to building maintenance, to staffing remain the same.

If you have a hardship, perhaps make a call.

Keep in mind that Congress just blocked a bill that would extend 250 billion of additional funds towards small businesses who employ 80% of Americans. This was blocked because they tried to get additional non related items tacked to specific targeted bills. My small company is ineligible for any government assistance under the affiliated entity rules of this $2.2 trillion bailout. We've yet to lay off, furlough, or reduce the hours of a single worker, but cannot do so on an unlimited basis. This exclusion of my company and those like it, who receive no funding whatsoever from affiliated entities could put thousands of small businesses and their employees in peril.[/quote]

Beast....I don't know your exact business, but the profile you describe is a type/size business that should not be ineligible for federal support. I just wish, for once, common sense could find it's way to congress.
 
[quote="Andrew" post=385179][quote="Class of 72" post=385175][quote="Phil G" post=385168]Thank you for posting the article. Just shared with my sister. My nephew is going to St. John’s in the fall and accepted dorming there

If classes online. Is it worth the tuition?[/quote]

I think tuitions across the country will be adjusted this coming year as a one time formula to address this issue.
However, distance learning has been around for a while now and the University of Phoenix and many other schools have a strong online presence. I suspect things will normalize by the 21-22 school year. Until then schools who can adjust the fastest will remain important attractions for prospective college students.[/quote]

Good point- Here is a list of some. Those with a strong physical presence like Ohio State could be good options.

[URL]https://www.usnews.com/education/online-education/bachelors/rankings[/URL][/quote]

I'm worried that St. John's is well behind the curve in this form of instruction.
 
Like Andrew, I have a daughter who is a junior who spent day freaking out that SAT announced today now cancelled until at least August and could move to streamlined online format (anything for them to salvage their revenue stream). Who knows what that would look like and how much credibility that would. Been in a yo-yo cycle of start - stop studying, and trying to help her avoid burnout over studying, or like an athlete peaking at wrong time to a competition.

Also spending part of her spring break this week "attending" "virtual admissions presentations, live open houses and tours", knowing she may not get to visit over summer but hopefully fall. Luckily, we had visited quite a few over past few months.

These are all trivial problems, but still real and teaching patience is a parenting skill that never gets much easier from toddler to teen.

On a disappointing note, as I see how different schools operate their admissions dept from communications, social media, marketing etc. St. John's is drastically non-existent compared to presence other schools show once you request info online, or attend a campus tour. Probably just a different model, but sending e-mails or having an Instagram, Facebook page for admissions are cheap.
 
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Hope things turn out well with your daughter's college journey, Red Storm NC. These are crazy times. Hang in there.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=385224]Like Andrew, I have a daughter who is a junior who spent day freaking out that SAT announced today now cancelled until at least August and could move to streamlined online format (anything for them to salvage their revenue stream). Who knows what that would look like and how much credibility that would. Been in a yo-yo cycle of start - stop studying, and trying to help her avoid burnout over studying, or like an athlete peaking at wrong time to a competition.

Also spending part of her spring break this week "attending" "virtual admissions presentations, live open houses and tours", knowing she may not get to visit over summer but hopefully fall. Luckily, we had visited quite a few over past few months.

These are all trivial problems, but still real and teaching patience is a parenting skill that never gets much easier from toddler to teen.

On a disappointing note, as I see how different schools operate their admissions dept from communications, social media, marketing etc. St. John's is drastically non-existent compared to presence other schools show once you request info online, or attend a campus tour. Probably just a different model, but sending e-mails or having an Instagram, Facebook page for admissions are cheap.[/quote]

The thing I would advise you is that while in general we found that the schools with the best tours also happened to be the best schools, it was because of the quality of the student tour guides. The better the school the more poised and well spoken the tour guides were. Schools that invest more in tours make sure kids are well dressed and I'm pretty sure it is a highly selective process to be chosen as a tour guide.

Virtual tours can be helpful but of a limited value. I know an extremely bright Chaminade kid who toured an Ivy that is about as liberal as any Ivy gets. His female tour guide had a shaved head, many tattoos and multiple piercings. When his parents asked about drug policy on campus, she recited the university policy, then turned to the kid when he was a few steps ahead of his parent and said to him in a low voice "Don't worry, you can get anything you want on this campus." Try to visit schools when they are in session. Your child will get a much better sense as to whether they will fit in with the kids he meets, if the pulse and culture of the school is for him or her.

For us, some of the factors were proximity to our home, and how easy it would be to travel using mass transit. For some kids it is more important than others. But there will be times during a semester where a kid needs some home cooking, their own bed, and to be doted on by parents and family, so proximity can be a good thing.

I would advise although we all do it, to not go strictly by college rankings. I have a relative who just accepted a baseball scholarship from a school in a great location but I fear solely because they were ranked 40th. The kid is a very conservative kid, and actually liked Fordham a lot (who offered him the best package), Pitt (who have amazing athletic facilities and I'm pretty sure start their season in the south against ACC schools, Villanova (where he would have been a perfect fit). The school he chose is probably not a good fit for him but he rationalized that he will be hanging mostly with the baseball team anyway. I hope it works for him but I know his parents treated the college rankings like some sort of exact science and not something that some colleges game to move up in the rankings.

I would even advise that you have her take one or two Fridays off from school so you can visit some campuses clustered along your travel route or in one general location. You can cover a lot of ground on a three day weekend.

Don't diminish schools too much that have poor tours, or raise up schools that have great tours. When my kids chose a Cahtolic HS, the very best tour on LI is not from one of the better schools, yet when you enter their building, a beautiful choir is singing, when you enter the fine arts room, kids are sculpting, drawing or painting, and all in all the tour is terrific. Then there are schools that basically said, "You know we are a great school. You'd be lucky to come here." One of those schools so tightly controlled the open house that volunteer parents who served beverages were afraid to tell you what everyone knows about that school - that with administration it is their way or the highway, that discipline is often inflexibly harsh, etc. The same school only allows faculty to give tours, as if they don't trust their very bright student body not to spill the beans.

Tell your daughter all kids are in the same SAT boat, and colleges are likely to devalue SATs because of the circumstances of school closures impacting students ability to prepare.
 
Redstorm NC - both my kids were fortunate to take the SAT because the NYC Public Schools offered it for free on March 4th before school closed. Unless you scored well, I am not sure how important that score was. My kids have many friends at Catholic schools and outside of the city that haven't. Like Beast said everyone is in the same boat. Many schools are going test optional/required and I expect many if not almost all will. I have a daughter and a son and without sounding too sexist my daughter is certainly more emotional so I feel your pain. You can sign up for the August SAT in May and since your daughter was signed up for June she should get first priority. They are going to offer the test monthly thereafter unless they have to go to an online test which I am not sure how well they can pull it off. If there is an opportunity to take a test there is no downside so I would encourage her to do that if possible but don't worry if she can't. My son writes op-ed pieces for his school newspaper. Ironically the last one he wrote was about the College Board. I will post it when it gets published online.
Like you, and I remember your posts we visited a number of schools. We had planned to see several more. We are hoping we can see some in the Fall. I agree with Beast that they are much more helpful when school is in session but if the tour guide is good then even one we took last summer was helpful. One of the things we tried to do at first was visit small and big schools in different areas to get a feel for which size school would be a good fit.
I am starting to think that schools that are closer need to be considered more and the impact that the virus could have on school budgets. Only time will tell.
Beast I am guessing you were talking about Brown. I think that I am somewhat liberal but many kids today would think I am the opposite, For example we visited Wake Forest and I loved it but my son was concerned it might be too conservative??? Anyway we will get through this. PM me if you want to discuss any college related things.
As for St.John's my kids get so many e-mails and mail, many from schools that I never heard of. I know my daughter has gotten material from them. You visited so they should be sending e-mails.
 
[quote="Andrew" post=385230]Redstorm NC - both my kids were fortunate to take the SAT because the NYC Public Schools offered it for free on March 4th before school closed. Unless you scored well, I am not sure how important that score was. My kids have many friends at Catholic schools and outside of the city that haven't. Like Beast said everyone is in the same boat. Many schools are going test optional/required and I expect many if not almost all will. I have a daughter and a son and without sounding too sexist my daughter is certainly more emotional so I feel your pain. You can sign up for the August SAT in May and since your daughter was signed up for June she should get first priority. They are going to offer the test monthly thereafter unless they have to go to an online test which I am not sure how well they can pull it off. If there is an opportunity to take a test there is no downside so I would encourage her to do that if possible but don't worry if she can't. My son writes op-ed pieces for his school newspaper. Ironically the last one he wrote was about the College Board. I will post it when it gets published online.
Like you, and I remember your posts we visited a number of schools. We had planned to see several more. We are hoping we can see some in the Fall. I agree with Beast that they are much more helpful when school is in session but if the tour guide is good then even one we took last summer was helpful. One of the things we tried to do at first was visit small and big schools in different areas to get a feel for which size school would be a good fit.
I am starting to think that schools that are closer need to be considered more and the impact that the virus could have on school budgets. Only time will tell.
Beast I am guessing you were talking about Brown. I think that I am somewhat liberal but many kids today would think I am the opposite, For example we visited Wake Forest and I loved it but my son was concerned it might be too conservative??? Anyway we will get through this. PM me if you want to discuss any college related things.
As for St.John's my kids get so many e-mails and mail, many from schools that I never heard of. I know my daughter has gotten material from them. You visited so they should be sending e-mails.[/quote]

Just as an option Andrew and RedStormNC, your children seem to be very bright. St. John's is VERY generous to top students, academics are very good for really smart kids, especially in Tobin school of business, College of Pharmacy and Allied Health, and the Collins School of Professional Studies.
 
[quote="Andrew" post=385118]My son and his Model UN Team at Townsend Harris High School in Flushing are raising money to support Jamaica Hospital during this horrific time. If you would like to donate please see the attached link. The second link is a website with more information. Thank you in advance.

Townsend Harris will be sending the money directly to Jamaica Hospital and all donations are tax deductible to the extent allowed by law.

Donation page:https://ed.co/teams/townsend-harris-high-school/covid-19-response-initiative-team-crit
Website:https://epark2705.wixsite.com/covid19fundraiser[/quote]

I wanted to give an update and thank everyone who has donated. They have raised over $3,000 of their goal of $5,000. They need one last push to get past the finish line. If you can share this with others that would be greatly appreciated. Queens has been my home since 1976 and I will be 50 in a couple of months.
 
Why a Second Wave Could Be Even Worse for Sports

The darkest shadow hanging over the future of sports, concerts and other mass gatherings is another spike in coronavirus cases, hospitalizations and deaths


By Louise Radnofsky and Ben Cohen / WALL STREET JOURNAL

April 17, 2020

The September sports calendar is suddenly packed. In addition to the usual Saturdays and Sundays filled with college and professional football, the lineup now includes the Kentucky Derby, the Tour de France, two rescheduled marathons, golf tournaments and tennis Grand Slams. And that could deal another blow to an industry already reeling from the unprecedented disruptions of the coronavirus pandemic.

Those blockbuster sports events are scheduled right in time for a bigger problem: the second wave of the virus.

There has always been a second wave in the epidemics that have interrupted American life over the last century, from influenza to AIDS, and top infectious disease experts have been warning for weeks that history will likely repeat itself in the coronavirus pandemic.

The return of this new coronavirus is the darkest shadow hanging over the future of sports, concerts and every kind of mass gathering that was commonplace before. If there is no second wave, it would break a streak of centuries.

“Second waves are inevitable in pandemics when you don’t have a vaccine,” said Carlos Del Rio, head of the global-health department at Emory University, who chaired the panel that guided the National Collegiate Athletic Association to shutting down sports this spring. “Any disease when you have an epidemic, when you loosen up prevention, you’ll have a second wave.”

The question of when American life gets back to normal is not whether there will be another spike in cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Del Rio says it’s this question: “How much of a second wave are you willing to tolerate?”




That means that the conversation about getting the country back online—and sports as the most high-profile example of that—has come to revolve around the preconditions for containing a second wave through identifying and isolating new cases. They’re not there yet. If they’re not in place by the fall, mass gatherings are out of the question. Even if they are, mass gatherings may still be out of the question.

It has now been more than a month since the shutdown of American sports, and the return of games on television and fans to stadiums has become a litmus test for a return to normalcy. That sentiment is coming directly from the White House, where President Trump has said repeatedly that “we have to get our sports back.”

But the second wave is what’s in the way of that vision. The first outbreak put the NBA playoffs and MLB opening day on hold. A second wave hitting in September would collide with football season—and that’s exactly when it’s being projected.

“The great fear is that this will recur again this fall,” said Gary Simon, chief of infectious diseases at George Washington University, who warns that autumn is when social distancing would be relaxed just in time to collide with the beginning of flu season.



In a study published this week in Science, a team from Harvard University cautioned that the success of this first round of interventions may push the epidemic’s peak into the autumn, when the resources of hospitals and healthcare systems would be strained again. They said some periods of social distancing might be necessary until 2022.

Scott Gottlieb, the former Food and Drug Administration commissioner who is advising the Trump administration on its coronavirus policy, says he sees a high risk of a second wave in the fall. He’s been pushing for a staggered return of activities. His plan calls for gradually scaling back up again, based on the size of the gatherings and their significance, and monitoring the effects at each stage.




Mass gatherings for sports games are at the bottom of his list. The sight of fans in stadiums is contingent on a “quiescent” fall and robust system of testing and contact tracing to identify and isolate new cases— as well as measures that include fever guns, hand sanitizer handouts and masks inside stadiums.

“We could bring lawn maintenance crews back at the end of the month with very low risk, but we can’t fill up stadiums,” he said Wednesday. “I think the entertainment venues are going to be some of the last things we bring back… Sports are going to be played with no fans for a while.”

For some scientists, it’s a probability problem. The prevalence of cases is unlikely to sink low enough by this fall to host a football game without the high risk of someone infected being in the crowd. The more people in the crowd, the greater the chance that at least one is infected, and the more people the infected will be in contact with. All it takes is one game to trigger a local outbreak.

“I think the risk of a second wave is a huge risk, and you’re playing with fire holding a football game with people in the stands,” said Carl Bergstrom, a biology professor at the University of Washington.

There are roughly 20,000 fans at NBA games and 30,000 fans at MLB games. But the average NFL game draws about 65,000 people, and the University of Michigan has one of several college stadiums that can hold the sort of enormous crowds that might become a relic of the recent past. “You’re certainly not going to put 100,000 people in the Big House,” Bergstrom said.



Another part of the fear is historical. The first wave of the 1918 flu pandemic hit the U.S. and the world hard. It was mitigated in the summer only to come roaring back harder in the fall.

“The second wave killed far more people than when the Spanish flu first swept through the world,” said Lawrence Gostin, the director of the World Health Organization’s center on global health law. “We have no reason to believe that Covid-19 will take more lives this fall and winter, but it is likely to return and will continue to have similar impacts on health, deaths, and hospitalizations.”


There are big unknowns as well. Some of these factors might end up cutting against a big second wave. But experts also suggest that what we don’t know could add up to a cycle of waves until the existence of a vaccine, which almost nobody thinks will have been developed and mass distributed by the fall.

“Will enough people have been infected in this present round to bequeath some kind of herd-immunity and so protect those who were not exposed? No one knows,” said Jeremy Brown, an emergency medicine physician and author of “Influenza.” “Does the fact that you have been infected once give lifelong or prolonged immunity, or some lesser degree of immunity, or perhaps none at all? No one knows. Will Covid-19 just go away, like so many other winter viruses do, as the weather gets warmer, perhaps never to return? Possibly. But no one knows.”

Those unknowns are felt by none other than Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and the most prominent scientist in the White House briefing room. He says the only guarantee is that there are no guarantees. Not even Fauci can say whether there will be 100,000 people in football stadiums in five months.

“I think that’s going to be determined by the virus, not by anybody’s proclamation,” he said Wednesday. “If there is a lot of virus around, I think it would not be prudent to be putting people in close quarters together the way we did prior to coronavirus. If we get back to some degree of normality, I think this is possible. But I cannot predict.”

“The answer is none of us know at this point what the situation is going to be like in the fall.”
 
Just thought a good add-on to JSJ's post about the potential impact on Sports.:

Why Business Won’t Snap Back So Easily After the Great Reopening
By Lisa Beilfuss
Updated April 17, 2020 8:51 pm ET / Original April 17, 2020 7:30 pm ET


Barbers, hair stylists, and cosmetologists are in the most contact-intensive industry. Here, Haircrafters Barber Shop in New York on a recent day.
Photograph by Brittainy Newman/The New York Times/Redux
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The great reopening of the U.S. economy is at hand. Now it’s important to get it right, or it could be the prelude to a bigger and more economically devastating closing.

Thursday brought perhaps the best news in weeks on the battle against the coronavirus pandemic, with President Trump unveiling a three-phase state-driven strategy to reopen America to commerce, and companies like Gilead Sciences (ticker: GILD) reportedly seeing progress on the treatment front. What’s more, some of the hardest-hit areas like New York believe they have seen a peak in the number of new cases, and states around the country are banding together by region to plan coordinated reopenings.

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Here’s How America Needs to ‘Reopen’ to Avoid Deeper Woes
For their part, investors have been buying into the reopening hype. The S&P 500 index, already up 28% after its bear-market low on March 23, leapt 2.7% on Friday to 2875 on the reopening prospects and hopes for a cure.

The urge to reopen the economy, particularly in light of the staggering number of job losses and probably a double-digit decline in second-quarter gross domestic product , is understandable. But a rush to get back life back to normal raises the risks of a relapse—and setting the recovery back even further. If confidence isn’t restored, consumers may refrain from spending even after the all-clear is finally given—particularly the older Americans who are most vulnerable to Covid-19. For perspective, Americans over 55 account for 40% of consumer spending, said Torsten Sløk, chief economist at Deutsche Bank Securities.

High-Contact Occupations
Occupation Proximity Index Percent of U.S. Workforce
Barbers, Hairstylists & Cosmetologists 92.17 0.87
Occupational & Physical Therapy Assistants & Aides 90.5 0.08
Home Health & Personal Care Aides 90.25 1.28
Therapists, Veterinarians, Nurses & Midwives 88.09 3.22
Supervisors of Food Preparation & Serving Workers 88 0.67
Health Care Diagnosing or Treating Practitioners 86.19 1.22
Supervisors of Personal Care & Service Workers 84.5 0.09
Health Technologists & Technicians 82.73 2.06
Pilots, Air Traffic Controllers & Flight Attendants 81.6 0.22
Other Health Care Support Occupations 80.2 0.91
Preschool, Elementary, Middle, Secondary & Special Education Teachers 79.54 3.80
Other Teachers & Instructors 79 0.51
Motor Vehicle Operators 75.56 3.24
Other Personal Care & Service Workers 75.5 1.96
Food & Beverage Serving Workers 75.17 1.48
Source: St. Louis Fed

Economists at Goldman Sachs say their U.S. Lockdown Index, a measure of the GDP-weighted share of the country that has enforced varying stay-home orders, has risen to 86%. A quarter of small businesses across the country were already closed at the beginning of April, with many more shutting since then. More than a fifth of the American workforce is employed in 15 of the highest-contact industries—or some 27.3 million people who earn nearly $1.3 trillion annually.

“Because of the risk of renewed virus spread, the public will have to be persuaded that any plan for partial reopening is safe,” said David Choi and David Mericle, economists at Goldman. After all, they added, “most of the increase in social distancing in the U.S. has been a voluntary reaction to virus fears, not a response to government lockdown orders.”

While the onus around lifting lockdown orders will fall to state governors, some of the burden in keeping consumers safe will rest on businesses themselves.

In Montgomery, Ala., David Lamb has flipped his dine-in Frutta Bowl restaurant to a curbside business, a shift he doesn’t expect to fully reverse once Gov. Kay Ivey begins to ease lockdown restrictions. Recently, business has improved, he said, to about 50% of previrus sales from 25% two weeks ago.

“This area is strongly pro-Trump. People really pay attention to what he says, and his message seems like it has been a little more hopeful,” Lamb said. “I can tell from people’s behavior that they are not worried.”

Lamb, though, is worried. Even when restaurants are again able to seat diners, he says he plans to continue operating in restricted ways longer than he needs to. “Even if the green light is given today, it’s too soon. I have to look out for my employees and my customers,” he said.


Social distancing is likely to weigh on restaurant traffic until there is a vaccine or treatment for the new coronavirus.
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For many businesses, there’s no such thing as remote work or curbside service. Of the most contact-intensive occupations, according to analysis by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, barbers, hair stylists, and cosmetologists top the list. According to market data firm Statista, hair, skin, and nail salons in the U.S. generated roughly $5.24 billion in total revenue in 2018.

Sara Turack, owner of a 12-chair salon in Omaha, Neb., said she is planning for her salon’s stylists to treat customers like hospital patients when the business reopens, using protective gear and staggering appointments. “We’re right up there in someone’s personal space,” she said, adding that a lot of stylists are questioning whether they should even stay in the industry after the pandemic. “I’m hopeful that my stylists come back,” she said, “but I can’t be sure.”

While Turack expects some pent-up demand from customer, as people are able to get their hair cut and colored again, she thinks some changes will be permanent. Some people have already gotten used to doing their hair themselves, she said, and that’s not to mention how mass job losses across the country may affect demand for things like salon services. “We all have to wonder, will the economic impact come later?” she said.

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The impact, of course, goes well beyond small businesses. There are similar concerns for companies across the travel sector. How, for example, can airlines keep customers and staff safe in confined cabin space?

Doug Parker, CEO of American Airlines (ticker: AAL), said in a video message on Wednesday that the company would change seating policies and reduce on-board food and beverages to limit service contact. In particular, Parker said that American would block 50% of standard middle seats on board, and would give flight crew authority to reassign seats to improve distance between passengers.


While measures like those could help customers feel more comfortable about air travel, it’s not clear how sustainable such efforts could be for the longer term. “Airlines aren’t designed to run at half-capacity,” said David Lefkowitz, an equity strategist at UBS Global Wealth Management. And when it comes to staying in a hotel, you can’t be sure who stayed there before you. “There are a lot of questions around how practical this all is,” he said. “This will weigh on people’s thinking.”

The same is true for many restaurants. While takeout and delivery services have been a lifeline for restaurants large and small during the pandemic, for many it’s not enough to cover overhead for an extended period, should consumers continue to stay away. Brinker International (EAT), owner of the Chili’s and Maggiano’s chains, said on April 2 that virtually all of its restaurants remain open for to-go orders, and off-premise sales have more than doubled from a year earlier. Still, that amounts to only 30% to 35% of prior-year sales, Brinker said.

“The margins are so thin to begin with, and real estate is such a big part of the cost. It’s not clear you can make a profit” when running at partial capacity, Lefkowitz said. He points to China, where in Wuhan, the origin of the new coronavirus, most businesses have resumed operations. Yet restaurant activity is still down around 50%, he said.

Some restaurant businesses already lend themselves to a world that is grappling with the disease and to an economy that will no doubt look different once there is a vaccination. Fast-food chains are well positioned, Lefkowitz said, since customers often get their meals to go. There’s Starbucks (SBUX), for example, which was already expanding drive-through service and encouraging customers to order ahead through its app before the virus hit.

“Even if the green light is given today, it’s too soon. I have to look out for my employees and my customers. ”

— David Lamb, Alabama restaurateur
Given so much uncertainty around how long the virus will linger, how quickly a vaccine will come and how effective it will be, and how the trauma will affect consumer behavior in the months and years to come, Lefkowitz says that he is advising UBS clients to maintain a defensive tilt in their portfolios. That means overweight health-care and communications-services holdings and some caution around discretionary sectors.

“The market is pricing in a fairly linear recovery over the next three to nine months,” he said, “but it’s likely to be more start-stop with progress and setbacks along the way.” The market expects the economy to be back to normal by 2021, but that doesn’t leave much of a margin of safety, given the uncertainty, he said.

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Some analysts have tried to map out reopen scenarios. Deloitte Consulting and Salesforce.com came up with four, though their unwillingness to assign probabilities speaks to the inability to predict what happens next. On the brightest end of the spectrum, the analysts think it’s possible that the virus could pass without a second wave, allowing the economy to begin rebounding later this year as confidence slowly returns. At the other end is a new world of lone wolves, where rolling waves of the disease continue to rock the globe for longer than anyone was prepared for, creating widespread social unrest, leading to increased isolationism and growing government surveillance.

As is often the case, the reality of what’s to come probably lies somewhere in the middle of this rose-colored-to-dystopian spectrum. The virus will continue to spread, and new waves will probably emerge, but consumers will resume some activities, and businesses will adapt. Those that take precautions will be better off, and so too will the U.S. economy if officials, customers, and business owners accept that attempting to resume normalcy too soon will only do more economic damage.
 
While front line medical professionals plead with us to stay home and not congregate, pure stupidity could delay recovery from the crisis.

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