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Just read where the City Council in NYC is asking Governor Cuomo to shut down the MTA for a week. They would like a deep cleaning of the trains, subway stations, and buses. More than 70 transit workers have passed away from covid-19. When MTA is up and running again, they would like to stop service from midnight to 5am for cleaning.

I don't understand the rush to open up the country when we have over 30% of the known cases and almost 25% of the deaths in the world. Something is very wrong in our society when you have protesters in Michigan on the steps of the State Capitol armed with Assault Rifles and displaying Confederate and Nazi flags.

I saw people on the beaches in Jacksonville without masks and disregarding social distancing. The Governor of Texas is talking about opening up his state while the number of positive results is increasing in Houston. The landlord of a Mall in Kansas plans on opening up next week.

I understand that the economy is important. However, for me, the health of my family and myself is paramount. I would rather deal with being at home than risk losing lives.
 
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the swastika signs were actually directed towards Democrats and were not showing support for Nazi ideology.

one sign was calling Whitmer herself a Nazi, reading, “Heil Whitmer,” and another sign showed a Democrat Donkey with a swastika over in the background, insinuating the left are the real Nazis.
 
It's pathetic to turn the struggle to defeat this virus into angry protests to 'reopen the country' and liberate the states' now. The painful progress we've made in the past month has been achieved by social distancing and sheltering-at-home techniques.
The truth is we need to test millions more Americans before we have a read on this virus, how many are infected, vulnerable, immune, carriers, etc.
Nobody knows the path of this virus or how it will mutate, but seems to me that to prematurely 'liberate the States' guarantees a second--and maybe more lethal--wave of this thing and is insane and reckless.
This is a public health emergency. We should tread carefully.
 
FWIW regarding the Michigan, Ohio protests

“Because something is happening here and you don’t know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones”
- Ballad of a Thin Man by Bob Dylan
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=385419]It's pathetic to turn the struggle to defeat this virus into angry protests to 'reopen the country' and liberate the states' now. The painful progress we've made in the past month has been achieved by social distancing and sheltering-at-home techniques.
The truth is we need to test millions more Americans before we have a read on this virus, how many are infected, vulnerable, immune, carriers, etc.
Nobody knows the path of this virus or how it will mutate, but seems to me that to prematurely 'liberate the States' guarantees a second--and maybe more lethal--wave of this thing and is insane and reckless.
This is a public health emergency. We should tread carefully.[/quote]

I love your ability to engage in civil discourse. I channel surf through this crisis and hear that boob nyc mayor crap on Washington then flip a channel and learn what Wahington has done for nyc in direct conversation with Nyc mayor about reopening garment district to produce more gowns and other initiatives.

I hear politicians speak that they won't politicize this and then in the very next breath throw a cheap shot. They are all a bunch of 15 year old csmpaigners, and not many are exempt.

To your point there is an extremely fragile balance between the safest point to reopen businesses and schools and businesses that have gone under since this began. The last number i heard was 13% of small businesses have failed.

We are out of ppp help for small business and we cant get that bill passed for 250 billion more.

I haven't laid off or furloughed anyone but we learned we are imeligible for this program. How long can we survive paying people who arent productive? Not sure.

Ask me and id say safest thing possible is probably mid july. By then we'd have massive unemployment that would plunge millions into poverty or worse.

This isn't gloom and doom. It's reality. I think we need experts in public health to set criteria to get us back to work slowly and safely as eoon as prudent.
 
Agree Beast. We need public health and infectious disease experts to "set the criteria" as you say...and we must listen to them.
Politicians must focus on public policy, specifically economic stimulus, and legislate massive financial aid to businesses and to people--much more than what they've passed--and fast. Be smart to try and flatten that plummet-in-demand curve as well.
The WSJ and Barron's have called for aggressive financial action. Meanwhile politicians continue to argue. That's irresponsible in my view.
It says much that you've supported your people through this to date. You and other small businesses need and deserve smart policy ASAP.
 
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Just fyi. Maybe some good news regarding economic more economic relief for small businesses.

U.S. Small Business Deal May Be Near, Mnuchin, Democrats Say
By Ben Walsh
Updated April 19, 2020 12:35 pm ET / Original April 19, 2020 12:10 pm ET
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Here’s what you need to know about the coronavirus outbreak to navigate the markets today.

• The Trump administration and Congressional Democrats have almost reached a deal to provide additional funding for the lending program intended to help small businesses stay afloat and keep employees on payroll, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) each said Sunday. The $349 billion program ran out of money on April 16.

• “If the data holds... we are past the high point and all indications are that we are on a descent,” New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said Sunday. “We are on the other side of the plateau and the numbers are coming down.” The state saw its biggest drop net hospitalizations yet and the number of intubations continued to drop, Gov. Cuomo said. Nevertheless, the virus continues to take an enormous toll. 507 people died in the last 24 hours, down from 540 during the previous day and about 1,300 new patients were admitted to hospitals with Covid-19 infections, down significantly for its peak but still a massive number.

• China may be able to produce a Covid-19 vaccine before the U.S., the former head of the Food and Drug Administration Dr. Scott Gottlieb said on CBS’ Face the Nation on Sunday.

• With the November U.S. election less than 200 days away and a number of major states still under lock down orders, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee said “there’s zero reason not to have a mail-in ballot,” on ABC News’ This Week. He said that such a policy has been a “spectacular success” in his state.

• There would be enough Covid-19 tests available to allow states to begin relaxing restrictions put in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, Vice President Mike Pence said Sunday on NBC News’ Face the Nation.

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Democrats and Republicans Are “Very Close” to a Deal on Small Business Lending
“I think we’re very close to a deal today. I’m hopeful that we can get that done,” Treasury Secretary Mnuchin said on CNN’s State of the Union. If a deal is reached Sunday, the Senate could pass a bill as early as Monday with the House following on Tuesday, Mnuchin said. House Speaker Pelosi offered a similar sentiment on ABC News’ ‘This Week, saying, “Yes, we’re close... I think we’re very close to agreement.” Senate Minority Schumer was also hopeful, saying in an interview with CNN Sunday that “we’ve made very good progress and I’m very hopeful we can come to an agreement tonight or early tomorrow morning.” It’s unclear what the substance of the deal may be, but Democrats have argued that additional money for hospitals, state and local governments and additional business aid programs should be included along with additional funding for the Paycheck Protection Program. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has favored a narrower approach of increasing funding for the PPP alone and then debating other items.

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My Dad fought the Japanese in Burma WWII - his widow, my mom Nina, has been entitled to reside in the same Veterans Home in St. Albans Queens near St. John’s.
She is 94, diabetic with poor vision and hearing. However she has all of her mental faculties, a pleasant personality and the staff loves her. Mom daily pushes herself around the building to say hi to patients and staff and 5 days a week goes to the gym and rides the stationery bike for 40 minutes.
Now w the virus she is confined to her room. People are dying on a weekly basis.
The isolation and lack of movement may kill her before the virus has a chance. So depressing.
And my kids, siblings and I cannot visit. That might be the worst when a family member has to suffer alone,
My mom is still with us but the situation is so unpleasant and uncertain...it is easy for me to be compassionate with others similarly situated.
And no matter how old a loved one is, when you lose or might lose someone in your heart, there is only pain.
Thanks for listening.
Blessings to all!
 
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Sorry for what you and your mom are going through SS&G. Wishing the best to you, your mom and your family in these very difficult times. God bless.
 
Just curious, exactly what “experts” are you guys trusting? The “experts” who predicted millions would die from SARS, bird flu, Ebola, etc., not to mention the 2+ million who were going to die in the US alone from covid-19. The “experts” who needed to count any patient with covid-19 as a covid-19 death regardless of other circumstances in order to inflate the death figures as much as they could. Those “experts”?
I realize this is probably not a very popular position but I refuse to be brainwashed, I prefer facts. Covid-19 is highly contagious, possibly way more contagious than even apparent now because of the evidence emerging indicating the possibility of many more people having caught the virus with little or no symptoms. But it’s death rate is not even in the ballpark of modeled predictions, the rate is in fact very similar to the flu.
Point of fact, virtually all epidemics follows Farr’s Law, which states that epidemics hit like gangbusters, peak and then fade out. That epidemics generally attack and succeed with the most vulnerable and then symmetrically decline after that initial burst. But that doesn’t allow for fake news fear mongering, economy dismantling, and an attack on the cornerstone of this country’s greatness, civil liberties. BTW, Farr’s Law was introduced in the 1840’s and has proven to be a more accurate predictor of epidemic curves than any “experts” and their computer models.
I am intelligent enough to decide about “social distancing” on my own and am doing so. Since I obtain my work almost exclusively from the DOD, my company is considered “mission critical” and as such is still in operation. My employees have been accommodated, many work from home and those who cannot have been separated to work stations at least 10-12 feet apart, provided masks and gloves and more than just encouraged to stay apart and wash up frequently. I think most business people and people in general would have done the same given the opportunity. Unfortunately, they were never given that opportunity.
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=385435]My Dad fought the Japanese in Burma WWII - his widow, my mom Nina, has been entitled to reside in the same Veterans Home in St. Albans Queens near St. John’s.
She is 94, diabetic with poor vision and hearing. However she has all of her mental faculties, a pleasant personality and the staff loves her. Mom daily pushes herself around the building to say hi to patients and staff and 5 days a week goes to the gym and rides the stationery bike for 40 minutes.
Now w the virus she is confined to her room. People are dying on a weekly basis.
The isolation and lack of movement may kill her before the virus has a chance. So depressing.
And my kids, siblings and I cannot visit. That might be the worst when a family member has to suffer alone,
My mom is still with us but the situation is so unpleasant and uncertain...it is easy for me to be compassionate with others similarly situated.
And no matter how old a loved one is, when you lose or might lose someone in your heart, there is only pain.
Thanks for listening.
Blessings to all![/quote]

Dear General
Your mother sounds like an absolutely amazing person, and upon reading your post it is immediately evident where you obtained your constantly positive and upbeat outlook from. Here is to wishing her continued good health and looking forward to reading when you, your siblings and her grandchildren can all go see her once again in the veterans home in St. Albans.
Best of luck General.
 
General SS&G:

God bless you and your Mom. It must be awful for you and your siblings. Your Mom sounds like a wonderful lady and I am sure from reading your posts that she has rubbed off on you. My older brother's wife, who is 82, fell and broke her pelvis in Florida and has been in a hospital and now a rehab place and like you, my brother can't see her. Heart wrenching stuff. I hope your Mom stays safe and you can see her again soon.
 
Not a popular position is an understatement, it's a stupid position. Did you ever take a pre-med or even a science or math class? Can't you understand reality?

The first wave of the virus is only beginning to subside. Maybe (probably) you don't know that second waves of no-vaccine pandemics are always, ALWAYS much worse than the first wave. Oh wait, that's fake new too.

Most of us are listening to the people trained for this, although the teams set up to address this exact situation were disbanded three years ago.

Go ahead and read your FAKE news. Talk about brainwashed, go back and turn on Fox News.
 
I will say this. Politicians want it both ways. They want authority in their states and not be told what to do, but at the same time every thing they cannot do, they want the federal government to do for them.

IMO , states must act based on what is going on on their state in term of incidence and infrastructure. Utah has very few cases, and can return to normal faster than California.
NYC has an extensive mass transit system to transport millions of people daily and that's a major consideration

If everyone just does there OWN job and stops complaining about what somebody else isn't doing we'd be in better shape.

Take a cue from sports. Everyone in baseball has to worry about what they have to do, not complain about what someone else isn't doing.

Imagine if the sports media covered a team the way presumably much smarter people cover this pandemic? I'm sick of it all.

Working together ALWAYS wins compared to sniping at each other. We will win this thing, but because of people like my niece, who is returning to work tomorrow after a bout with Covid at the earliest possible safe moment, because her coworkers need her. That's leadership, not what we have now across the board.
 
Very sorry to hear the tribulations your mom, you and your family are going through, General. Your mom sounds like a very positive person and fun to know. I wish you and your family the best through these tough times. Take care.
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=385435]My Dad fought the Japanese in Burma WWII - his widow, my mom Nina, has been entitled to reside in the same Veterans Home in St. Albans Queens near St. John’s.
She is 94, diabetic with poor vision and hearing. However she has all of her mental faculties, a pleasant personality and the staff loves her. Mom daily pushes herself around the building to say hi to patients and staff and 5 days a week goes to the gym and rides the stationery bike for 40 minutes.
Now w the virus she is confined to her room. People are dying on a weekly basis.
The isolation and lack of movement may kill her before the virus has a chance. So depressing.
And my kids, siblings and I cannot visit. That might be the worst when a family member has to suffer alone,
My mom is still with us but the situation is so unpleasant and uncertain...it is easy for me to be compassionate with others similarly situated.
And no matter how old a loved one is, when you lose or might lose someone in your heart, there is only pain.
Thanks for listening.
Blessings to all![/quote]

I sympathize with you my friend. One of my best friends mom died last week at 95 in a Nursing Home and she was buried at national cemetery on Long Island. Only 2 members of the family were allowed and they had to leave their cell phones in the car so no pictures were taken. I am grateful to God that my 95 year old dad died in February before this insanity when our family and friends were able to give a proper funeral and mass.
 
[quote="panther2" post=385414]Just read where the City Council in NYC is asking Governor Cuomo to shut down the MTA for a week. They would like a deep cleaning of the trains, subway stations, and buses. More than 70 transit workers have passed away from covid-19. When MTA is up and running again, they would like to stop service from midnight to 5am for cleaning.

I don't understand the rush to open up the country when we have over 30% of the known cases and almost 25% of the deaths in the world. Something is very wrong in our society when you have protesters in Michigan on the steps of the State Capitol armed with Assault Rifles and displaying Confederate and Nazi flags.

I saw people on the beaches in Jacksonville without masks and disregarding social distancing. The Governor of Texas is talking about opening up his state while the number of positive results is increasing in Houston. The landlord of a Mall in Kansas plans on opening up next week.

I understand that the economy is important. However, for me, the health of my family and myself is paramount. I would rather deal with being at home than risk losing lives.[/quote]

The subway system should have been shut down 6 weeks ago for at least 2 weeks. The airports in the tri state area needed stricter screening of incoming passengers. The leadership of NY and NJ fcked up royally with no decision making regarding the MTA and the Port authority that runs the airports. I said weeks ago that college students were being repatriated by the thousands without screening. The numbers you see in the United States reflect what Cuomo and DeBlasio are mostly responsible for in the effects of this pandemic. A third of the nation has a fraction of cases and can go into phase one in the slow reopening of businesses. In that phase the elderly population in the states still have to quarantine because they represent 90 percent of the deaths. The same in phase two. We older citizens just have to wait for a decline to pre pandemic numbers to get to a new normal.

Because of the very loose restrictions in the tri state where democratic leaders bucked the advice of the Trump team because....well....they don't like Trump, they got with the program late. That is why the NYC area has over 50 percent of all the deaths in the country and 40 percent of all the cases. Our virus came from Europe via China because we fcked up at our airports and millions of riders infected each other in our mass transit system. South Korea and Singapore with similar metropolitan areas shut everything down and have had a fraction of the deaths.
I'm not a Trump fan but notice that it's mostly democratic led states that are now the neediest because they are losing their tax tax base due to the highest taxes in the country and now need bailing out by the Feds.
 
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Prayers for your Mom SS+G, and for everyone else who’s family is dealing with this nightmare virus.
 
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