STARTING 5

[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=298040]Just about 30:
Ponds
Heron
Simon

Just about 25:
LJ
Clark

Just about 20:
Keita
Dixon

Split the remaining 20:
Williams
Roberts
Earlington[/quote]

Trimble ? He will get minutes and the kid looked in much better shape then his freshman season. Appears to have really worked hard in the off season.
Heaven forbid there are injuries to Clark and Keita. Means Roberts and Earlington, for better or worse, must get some preseason / non BE Conference burn in the event they need to take on a greater role as the season progresses.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=298041]I think Roberts might see more time than people think, if only because he’s 6’9” and gonna have to share the big guy role. I didn’t see the tip-off, but I heard from some he looked pretty good. Gotta get our only other “big” involved somewhere, especially if he has the athleticism to grab boards and be an off-side shotblocker at times. I think we will sub a ton this year and keep people fresh. I think our depth is talented enough not to force us into droughts too much. This team is a lot different than our teams in the past. Much deeper and our depth has some skill and athleticism..[/quote]

If he averaged 10 minutes I think that’d be a lot. And that’s not a knock, I like him.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=298042][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=298040]Just about 30:
Ponds
Heron
Simon

Just about 25:
LJ
Clark

Just about 20:
Keita
Dixon

Split the remaining 20:
Williams
Roberts
Earlington[/quote]

Trimble ? He will get minutes and the kid looked in much better shape then his freshman season. Appears to have really worked hard in the off season.
Heaven forbid there are injuries to Clark and Keita. Means Roberts and Earlington, for better or worse, must get some preseason / non BE Conference burn in the event they need to take on a greater role as the season progresses.[/quote]

Meant to list him with the last group. Obviously all these minute projections are based on no injuries. Like Trimble and his shooting is needed but don’t see him taking enough minutes away from Simon, Heron, LJ, and Dixon to get more than 10 or so a game.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=298041]I think Roberts might see more time than people think, if only because he’s 6’9” and gonna have to share the big guy role. I didn’t see the tip-off, but I heard from some he looked pretty good. Gotta get our only other “big” involved somewhere, especially if he has the athleticism to grab boards and be an off-side shotblocker at times. I think we will sub a ton this year and keep people fresh. I think our depth is talented enough not to force us into droughts too much. This team is a lot different than our teams in the past. Much deeper and our depth has some skill and athleticism..[/quote]

I agree MCNPA, I think Roberts will get between 8-10 minutes a game out of necessity. I heard he looked really good. I think having a light OOC schedule will allow the staff to get Roberts more minutes early in the season to get him up tp speed and get him ready for the Big East
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=298041]I think Roberts might see more time than people think, if only because he’s 6’9” and gonna have to share the big guy role. I didn’t see the tip-off, but I heard from some he looked pretty good. Gotta get our only other “big” involved somewhere, especially if he has the athleticism to grab boards and be an off-side shotblocker at times. I think we will sub a ton this year and keep people fresh. I think our depth is talented enough not to force us into droughts too much. This team is a lot different than our teams in the past. Much deeper and our depth has some skill and athleticism..[/quote]
Roberts can run court very well, block shots on help side and rebound a bit. His challenge imo will be defending stronger guys in the post, but most freshmen will have a learning curve. Getting stronger & experienced in year one in limited minutes should result in a nice four year player. (Assuming in these times he does not get antsy) Could be a nice find by Matt in time.
 
Roberts is not going to be a ball handler and probably won't be shooting much. He can definitely run the floor well and though he's pretty thin, he's quite long. When I saw him at tip off I was impressed with his wingspan. He has the size to disrupt, alter, or block shots for sure.
 
I think sometimes we simultaneously complain when a player doesn't immediately produce as a freshman and also that we don't have enough 4 year type players.

Even though most 4 year type players often don't produce much as freshman almost by definition.

Think Trimble falls into this category. Was regularly asked to do more than he was probably ready for and was also frequently asked to do so while playing out of position. Despite both of these things - and while the returns were by no means outstanding - he rarely looked overwhelmed even against elite competition and was generally steady (only 5 turnovers in 555 minutes on the season, which is insane no matter how conservatively you are playing!) and a few different times was a positive contributor.

The general perception of Trimble seems lower than what is probably warranted. I don't expect massive strides this year but I do expect improvement over last year which I actually thought was pretty adequate all considered. He's a big body who showed an ability to play much bigger than 6'3" which can have real value for a team as undersized as this one is. Streaky but can also shoot which should be helpful as team looks to space floor for Ponds/Heron/Simon.

The first 7 seem pretty clear but I wouldn't be surprised if Trimble played well enough to move into that group, especially early where Dixon and LJ may have an adjustment period of their own.
 
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People are putting way too much thought into this.
Starting:
Clark
LJ
Simon
Heron
Ponds

Bench
Keita
Dixon
Once BE season starts you wont see much of anyone else. 8th and 9th guy will get 5 mins maybe depending on match ups.
 
Of course ST John's catching a break from NCAA has me worried that Ponds will decide to sit out the year to get ready for the NBA draft. You know to put things right in the world.Not sure how to feel about ST John's catching a break. But hey maybe my sports fandom taking a drastic right turn. Maybe Wilpon's selling the Mets and Kevin Durant coming to Knicks next year?
 
Trimble as the assassin. Our team speed and slashing wear on opponents who cheat toward the post and then Trimble 3's blow games open.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298081] Kevin Durant coming to Knicks next year?[/quote]

KD is definitely going to the Knicks as long as the drunk a-hole in charge doesn't insist on showing up to all the meetings.
 
I agree with people overlooking Trimble. Unless I’m mistaken Trimble dropped 20 points for us off the bench against Marquette.

Interesting to see how he plays with the weight loss.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=298105][quote="we are sju" post=298081] Kevin Durant coming to Knicks next year?[/quote]

KD is definitely going to the Knicks as long as the drunk a-hole in charge doesn't insist on showing up to all the meetings.[/quote]

Rumor is KD and Thompson but color me very skeptical on either or.
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=298106]I agree with people overlooking Trimble. Unless I’m mistaken Trimble dropped 20 points for us off the bench against Marquette.

Interesting to see how he plays with the weight loss.[/quote]

If Trimble is playing significant minutes.....something has gone terribly wrong
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298108][quote="Sju grad 13" post=298106]I agree with people overlooking Trimble. Unless I’m mistaken Trimble dropped 20 points for us off the bench against Marquette.

Interesting to see how he plays with the weight loss.[/quote]

If Trimble is playing significant minutes.....something has gone terribly wrong[/quote]

I’m not sure what you consider “significant” but I think utilizing our depth is a good thing. I think we should go 10 deep as much as possible to get everybody up to speed. A kid like Trimble who is a big bodied guard that can come in and drop 20 on Marquette by dropping treys off the bench is valuable. I don’t think he’ll get 20 minutes per game, but he’s a decent option especially with weight loss and his shooting ability. I reckon he will be a better shooter this year as well.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=298111][quote="we are sju" post=298108][quote="Sju grad 13" post=298106]I agree with people overlooking Trimble. Unless I’m mistaken Trimble dropped 20 points for us off the bench against Marquette.

Interesting to see how he plays with the weight loss.[/quote]

If Trimble is playing significant minutes.....something has gone terribly wrong[/quote]

I’m not sure what you consider “significant” but I think utilizing our depth is a good thing. I think we should go 10 deep as much as possible to get everybody up to speed. A kid like Trimble who is a big bodied guard that can come in and drop 20 on Marquette by dropping treys off the bench is valuable. I don’t think he’ll get 20 minutes per game, but he’s a decent option especially with weight loss and his shooting ability. I reckon he will be a better shooter this year as well.[/quote]

Most only go 7 or 8.
Top 7 will play 8th guy will get 5-7 mins a game based on opponent and matchups
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298113][quote="MCNPA" post=298111][quote="we are sju" post=298108][quote="Sju grad 13" post=298106]I agree with people overlooking Trimble. Unless I’m mistaken Trimble dropped 20 points for us off the bench against Marquette.

Interesting to see how he plays with the weight loss.[/quote]

If Trimble is playing significant minutes.....something has gone terribly wrong[/quote]

I’m not sure what you consider “significant” but I think utilizing our depth is a good thing. I think we should go 10 deep as much as possible to get everybody up to speed. A kid like Trimble who is a big bodied guard that can come in and drop 20 on Marquette by dropping treys off the bench is valuable. I don’t think he’ll get 20 minutes per game, but he’s a decent option especially with weight loss and his shooting ability. I reckon he will be a better shooter this year as well.[/quote]

Most only go 7 or 8.
Top 7 will play 8th guy will get 5-7 mins a game based on opponent and matchups[/quote]

The big difference this year, of course, is that, like most teams, we'll actually get to chose between 10 or 11 guys to play those 8 spots. In the past, we've had 7 or 8 guys to fill 7 or 8 spots. That won't be the case this year.

If Mullin presses full court for 40 minutes like some on here want him to do (myself included), then playing 9 or 10 guys is not that far-fetched, because subbing would be constant.
 
YES! I am a supporter of Trimble. I have been saying for a while now, that before the season is over, he might save a game or two. He has a nice smooth outside shot. What is all this weight shaming about? He has trimmed down, and I'll bet he is in fine shape. Give the young man a chance,. and some support. I say, "go Trimble, play like you've got a chip on your shoulder!"
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=298114][quote="we are sju" post=298113][quote="MCNPA" post=298111][quote="we are sju" post=298108][quote="Sju grad 13" post=298106]I agree with people overlooking Trimble. Unless I’m mistaken Trimble dropped 20 points for us off the bench against Marquette.

Interesting to see how he plays with the weight loss.[/quote]

If Trimble is playing significant minutes.....something has gone terribly wrong[/quote]

I’m not sure what you consider “significant” but I think utilizing our depth is a good thing. I think we should go 10 deep as much as possible to get everybody up to speed. A kid like Trimble who is a big bodied guard that can come in and drop 20 on Marquette by dropping treys off the bench is valuable. I don’t think he’ll get 20 minutes per game, but he’s a decent option especially with weight loss and his shooting ability. I reckon he will be a better shooter this year as well.[/quote]

Most only go 7 or 8.
Top 7 will play 8th guy will get 5-7 mins a game based on opponent and matchups[/quote]

The big difference this year, of course, is that, like most teams, we'll actually get to chose between 10 or 11 guys to play those 8 spots. In the past, we've had 7 or 8 guys to fill 7 or 8 spots. That won't be the case this year.

If Mullin presses full court for 40 minutes like some on here want him to do (myself included), then playing 9 or 10 guys is not that far-fetched, because subbing would be constant.[/quote]

Totally agree with your first point and yes it is a nice change around here.

Doubt we press or run as we do not really have any shot blockers and rebounding is going to be an issue.
I believe we will go small and go at a quick pace but 40 minutes of hell is not happening and in fact does not really happen anywhere anymore.
Will go 8 sometimes 9 but top 7 getting the majority of mins.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298116][quote="SJU61982" post=298114][quote="we are sju" post=298113][quote="MCNPA" post=298111][quote="we are sju" post=298108][quote="Sju grad 13" post=298106]I agree with people overlooking Trimble. Unless I’m mistaken Trimble dropped 20 points for us off the bench against Marquette.

Interesting to see how he plays with the weight loss.[/quote]

If Trimble is playing significant minutes.....something has gone terribly wrong[/quote]

I’m not sure what you consider “significant” but I think utilizing our depth is a good thing. I think we should go 10 deep as much as possible to get everybody up to speed. A kid like Trimble who is a big bodied guard that can come in and drop 20 on Marquette by dropping treys off the bench is valuable. I don’t think he’ll get 20 minutes per game, but he’s a decent option especially with weight loss and his shooting ability. I reckon he will be a better shooter this year as well.[/quote]

Most only go 7 or 8.
Top 7 will play 8th guy will get 5-7 mins a game based on opponent and matchups[/quote]

The big difference this year, of course, is that, like most teams, we'll actually get to chose between 10 or 11 guys to play those 8 spots. In the past, we've had 7 or 8 guys to fill 7 or 8 spots. That won't be the case this year.

If Mullin presses full court for 40 minutes like some on here want him to do (myself included), then playing 9 or 10 guys is not that far-fetched, because subbing would be constant.[/quote]

Totally agree with your first point and yes it is a nice change around here.

Doubt we press or run as we do not really have any shot blockers and rebounding is going to be an issue.
I believe we will go small and go at a quick pace but 40 minutes of hell is not happening and in fact does not really happen anywhere anymore.
Will go 8 sometimes 9 but top 7 getting the majority of mins.[/quote]

Fair point re: the press, but I do think we are going to have to try and force tempo on defense with the occasional pressure, especially against big, plodding teams like Georgetown and Seton Hall.
 
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