St John's - Villanova

O please with the "season is over" crap. We are getting better overall, Branch does not suck by the way, the fans of nova really got in his head I don't know if you noticed this on tv but everytime he got the ball after that flagrant 1 the fans booed the crap out of him, and they got in his head you could tell.
 
If we would have won vs. Murray, and USF, then this loss becomes much less painful. Out of the first 3 conference games, this was the one that we absolutely needed to get right off the bat. I'm sick of OT losses, I'm sick of games being decided by 1 or 2 possessions, I'm sick of teams like USF and Asheville blindsiding us. It's not like a lot of other Big East teams are having a rough time like us. It's us, Providence, and DePaul who are struggling. Everyone else is either meeting or exceeding expectations. Why that never happens to us I have no clue. I'm just sick of seeing this team get the short end of the stick. I want to finally be on that other side witnessing the success of SJ, not a disappointment after disappointment year after year. When will this grey cloud pass? This was supposed to be the year we had a coming out party as at least a mid level Big East team. We have done nothing to separate us from the likes of DePaul. The other guys like Pitt, Nova, G'Town, Cuse, etc. make it look so easy. Even though the game was tight you knew Nova was playing better overall and always had an answer for us. If Sanchez comes back and we still crap the bed game after game, then something is seriously, seriously wrong.

Fair points all around, but I think, of the first 3 conference game, the one we needed most is Rutgers at home next week. This was a road game, so I still think the pressure was on Nova more, IMO.
 
Giving up 98 points to this Villanova team is absolutely insane. We are a glorified AAU showcase team right now. Lavin has consistently shown his inability to make in-game adjustments like the high pick and roll with Arcidiacano tonight and the dribble penetration with Doolin from SF. So sick of always hearing excuses for this team and that starts with Lavin always feeling the need to mention how young we are in media appearances.

Not too shabby for a marginal freshman chucker, eh?

Running Greene at PG, questionable substitutions/rotations, poor rebounding and complete lack of Xs & Os.

No such thing as morale victories when you need a Herculean effort from D'Angelo to even hang with a middle of the pack Nova team.

The team is poorly coached. It's plain as day.

Now that doesn't mean Lavin is a bad head coach. However, it's quite clear that he's not teaching these players how to play as a team. They severely lack fundamentals and situational awareness.

And guys need to really lay off the refs as if that's why we lost the game.

Knew this was coming back to bite me. I've watched a lot of Nova this year. He has had 3 good games so far including tonight. Tonight he was unconscious but we made NO adjustments whatsoever to the same freaking play he was scoring on over and over. He has shown poor decision making, lacks quickness and the inability to beat his man off the dribble. A lot of Nova fans were down on him coming into tonight.

It was tough for them to throw additional help toward defending the PG (not even trying to spell his name) when Yarou and Pinkston were killing us inside the end of the 1st half and the first 10 or 12 minutes of the 2nd. We had no answer. We're too small, too young, too thin.

Too small and too thin = coaches decision.
Some random thoughts after I beat the wife:
Pointer should have been redshirted not Gift! We have a doughnut in the middle now because Lavin is a freakin genius!
Total collapse in 5 minutes of O/T because our offense stalled with the ball in Greene's hands. That was a coaches decision.
Coaches (yes collectively) are not doing these kids justice.
Jakarr crapped his pants tonight but Garrett cannot fill his role, Obekpa's role and his own all at the same time.
Did I miss former starter Christian Jones in the game when Karr was crapping and we were being manhandled inside? Starting Jones early in the season is not paying any dividends if now he cannot get in for 2 minutes to punch Jay Pinkston in the face. This is Big East ball after all and the game is not for pussies.
Nice defensive adjustment by Lavin to defend against the pimple faced white kid Archie something. Our record of allowing a guard to score record points is one thing that is consistent in our X, Y, Z defense.
Is it just me or is coach Keady taking fewer notes for Lavin and just sketching profiles of his new beloved?
We are young, inexperienced and are missing our x and o coach but the good news is that our freshmen will someday be sophomores ........wait....we used that excuse last year!
In all seriousness.....I felt bad for Jakarr tonight and hope it will be his worst Big East game all season. I am back on the D'Lo bandwagon ..... He and Amir were the only players who earned their ships tonight. Lavin and coaches (including HOF Coach Keady) need to manage our timeouts better and design "simple plays" out of a T/O. Recruiting is priority ONE because if Harrison jumps, we may become the lowest scoring team in the soon-to-be-deceased Big East next year.
I still think TGAPL sacrificed this season by sitting our only physical player.......teams will go inside all year and our pissy perimeter defense will allow pimple-faced white boys record games all year until we get our own pimple-faced white boy ...... But that will be next year.
Charles Boyer made a couple guest appearances as usual but pardon my French Coach Lavin.....x@#% !!!
 
O please with the "season is over" crap. We are getting better overall, Branch does not suck by the way, the fans of nova really got in his head I don't know if you noticed this on tv but everytime he got the ball after that flagrant 1 the fans booed the crap out of him, and they got in his head you could tell.

I don't think the booing got into his head. They were booing him throughout the remainder of the first half after his technical foul.

He actually was inspirational in keeping us in it at one point of the second half.

I agree about this "season is over" BS.
 
Lavin needs a insider banger to succeed in the BE, not just athletic gazelles. I'm beginning to see why UCLA FANS

got frustrated with him as a Coach..He unquestionably gets very good talent but, so far, it's not enough.

And, fundamentals appear lacking on both, offense/defense. Major breakdowns at crunch time too.

OT tonite showed again a powerlessness to stem the tide of the opponent going on a game deciding run.Those breakdowns have cost us games against Ashville, Murray and Baylor. USF WAS JUST A TEAM DISGRACE!

Against Nova we snatched a loss on a game we should have won in regulation.

Unfortunately Garrett fell for the three point fake to allow Nova to tie the game. Can't fault his hustle though all game.

Yes, that was a dumb foul. It's also true that, after he fouled out, the team never looked the same. He provided great energy tonight, and made the easy ones.
 
Harrison almost singlehandedly gave us the win, he looked unbelievable Amir looked very good Sampson looked bad,although he is usually consistant. The verdict is still out on Branch, at times looked good, and bad, but showed glimpses of a good offensive game. If we played smarter and didnt have those dumb fouls, we would have won. Another rebuilding year. Lets hope DLO stays another year and we get Lawrence and or Jorden. Maybe well get a Christmas miracle and Sanchez will get 2 years of eligibility, although I doubt it. Wouldnt mind redshirting Sanchez if he gets 1 yr of eligibility and we could, and really setting us up for next year.
 
The bottom line after all of this is that I am just tired of all the losing. Very tired. It isnt enjoyable any longer. I am not just referring to this season I am talking 10 plus years. At some point in the very near future it will effect more and more people, you wont be seeing anyone at the games and the fans they lose will be lost forever.
 
Just got back from the game and the simple fact is Ryan Archduke Ferdinand beat us. The kid was incredible and had
34 points in his opening Big East game. I will keep an eye on him and see if he can keep it up against the rest of the league. Johnnies were very down after the game and you could see that this loss hurt them. When they made their comeback you could see unbelievable energy and unity on the bench imploring them on. The whole staff and team were lockstep in the stirring climb to the lead. Sadly the long long fake on the three causing the foul and then number 4 stepping up and hitting 3 clutch foul shots turned the tide. The chance for victory was on Harrison's last shot which banked out after the foul. So close.
 
Tough loss, but I do see improvement. And I'm usually one of the first to throw criticism round. But I saw a lot of encouraging signs.
Branch isn't a savior, but he has his moments, and as a Jr/Sr he will be a very very good pg. also has his bonehead moments at times, but there's more good than bad.
Dangelo played his best game of his career today. I literally have nothing bad to say about him; made mostly good decisions, passed, pretty good shot selection except for 1 or 2, hustled defensively, He is special
Amir played well; did his best in a tough situation down low. One very bad shot he took, but generally had a nice game.

And our offense is improving. You can actually see a system now. Not perfected obviously, or close to it, but we at least move the ball now.
Our defense is a different situation, I have serious doubts about the match up zone. It forces our guys to run at shooters to closeout; and that leads to fouls. Plus the opposing team can get a mismatch by simply reversing the ball. If we were in man you could have put Obekpa on Yarou/Sutton and Amir or Jakarr on Pinkston all game. Is it ideal? No. But Pinkston scored a shit load of points backing down Phil, Dangelo, and Branch. That annoys the crap out of me. Plus, in man you have no excuse for losing a 3pt shooter like Archidiano, you shadow him all game.

Season may be over as far as post season hopes go but this was still a fun game to watch till OT, and I like where this team is headed.
 
Just got back from the game and the simple fact is Ryan Archduke Ferdinand beat us. The kid was incredible and had
34 points in his opening Big East game. I will keep an eye on him and see if he can keep it up against the rest of the league. Johnnies were very down after the game and you could see that this loss hurt them. When they made their comeback you could see unbelievable energy and unity on the bench imploring them on. The whole staff and team were lockstep in the stirring climb to the lead. Sadly the long long fake on the three causing the foul and then number 4 stepping up and hitting 3 clutch foul shots turned the tide. The chance for victory was on Harrison's last shot which banked out after the foul. So close.

Believe it or not that wasnt a shooting foul. Actually if you saw the game, and the way it was reffed. It wouldnt be hard to believe.
I used to like jim burr. The game has completely passed him by.
 
Whether you choose to blame the coaches or the players, that is up to you. But the fact is this team does not (a) rebound (b) play defense. We have a player who does both in God's Gift, but Lavin has decided to RS him for this season. I still think he did a disservice to the team by doing so, but I'm sure he had his reasons.

Either way, I think fans are sick of moral victories. Here are the facts: St. John's has lost to 3 mid majors this year (that being said, Murray State is very good so I'll give them a pass on that one). Although our team put on a hell of an offensive performance last night, I've never seen a worst defensive performance in my life. Once Villanova beat the press, it was bombs away with wide open shots again and again and again. Was there any sort of defensive adjustment? Not even close.

And to make matters that much worse, now the team has Cincinnati, Rutgers, Georgetown, and Notre Dame ahead of them. Maybe they sneak in 1 win out of that group, but based on what I'm seeing that is even looking like a very doubtful proposition. People want to keep coming on this board and default to the "we're so young" argument. Villanova wasn't exactly a senior team. Arcidiacono is a freshman, Pinkston is a sophomore, Hilliard is a sophomore.
 
Tough loss, but I do see improvement. And I'm usually one of the first to throw criticism round. But I saw a lot of encouraging signs.
Branch isn't a savior, but he has his moments, and as a Jr/Sr he will be a very very good pg. also has his bonehead moments at times, but there's more good than bad.
Dangelo played his best game of his career today. I literally have nothing bad to say about him; made mostly good decisions, passed, pretty good shot selection except for 1 or 2, hustled defensively, He is special
Amir played well; did his best in a tough situation down low. One very bad shot he took, but generally had a nice game.

And our offense is improving. You can actually see a system now. Not perfected obviously, or close to it, but we at least move the ball now.
Our defense is a different situation, I have serious doubts about the match up zone. It forces our guys to run at shooters to closeout; and that leads to fouls. Plus the opposing team can get a mismatch by simply reversing the ball. If we were in man you could have put Obekpa on Yarou/Sutton and Amir or Jakarr on Pinkston all game. Is it ideal? No. But Pinkston scored a shit load of points backing down Phil, Dangelo, and Branch. That annoys the crap out of me. Plus, in man you have no excuse for losing a 3pt shooter like Archidiano, you shadow him all game.

Season may be over as far as post season hopes go but this was still a fun game to watch till OT, and I like where this team is headed.

I'll disagree on the offensive system point. When Greene and/or Branch were running the point, there wasn't a flow out there at all. Harrison was our offense last night, plain and simple. He was on fire shooting the ball and when they doubled him, he set up the teammates around him. But I don't think I saw a set play the entire game from them.
 
The bottom line after all of this is that I am just tired of all the losing. Very tired. It isnt enjoyable any longer. I am not just referring to this season I am talking 10 plus years. At some point in the very near future it will effect more and more people, you wont be seeing anyone at the games and the fans they lose will be lost forever.

I'm sorry, but I think it's going to happen fairly soon. If they start off 0-3 and lose to Cincinnati and Rutgers, how crowded are those Georgetown and ND games really going to be?

Maybe with diehard G'Town and ND fans, but I doubt SJU fans are going to want to watch their team continue to free fall. Fact is you need to win some games to keep interest. Moral victories are just not going to cut it at this stage in the game.
 
I agree that this is not a well coached team; there is no doubt that Lavin and co. have not gotten through to these guys yet. We have talent but a low basketball IQ. We try to make way too many spectacular plays on defense, steals and blocks, which consistently leaves the defense scrambling, which leads to poor rebounding position and too many fouls. Are the coaches teaching that, or is it a product of thousands of hours of "muscle memory" and something the coaches are desperately trying to "unteach"? None of us know but it is so easy to vent out "the coaches suck" on a message board. We won 13 games last year, but now we miss Dunlap or GG? Sounds like the back-up quarterback syndrome to me. You know who we miss, we miss Harkless.
Kids should be taught from day 1 that you close out hard on a 3 point shooter but UNDER CONTROL; Garrett, however, who played a good, hard game reacts to the play by trying to make the spectacular, rather than the RIGHT play. Did Keady teach him that, or the countless times he has done that in the past with everyone cheering and slapping 5's when he occasionally sends a shot into the stands?
On offense, 70% of our shots came from our 3 guards and that is not a great formula for success. You don't get to the foul line and generally speaking you don't get many "easy" points. Is that the offense Lavin and co. are teaching or in the heat of the game are the guards taking it upon themselves to look for their own because that is what they have done forever? Again, I don't know, but I would bet the offense being taught looks different in practice than the one we are seeing in games.
This is not to say Lavin is faultless in the team's performance, far from it, his job is to get through to the team and that is just not happening right now. But the nonsense about his job being on the line or he and his staff needing an X's and O's guy is just that, nonsense.
 
this was a hard game to watch and I like many of you was looking for a little more this year. I just wonder what this board would look like this AM if we shoot 14/20 from the line instead of 12/20!! 60% !
 
I, like many of you expected a little more this year; however I wonder what this board would look like this AM if we shoot 14/20 from the line instead of 12/20. 60% from the line was a main contributor to last nights results.
 
Just no margin for error with this team.
If Jakaar even shows up last night, we win.
If Sanchez is the missing piece down low, the second half of the season will be fun.
Until then, it is what it is.
 
I agree with many of the points made on the board with regard to last nights game. The fact of the matter is and most pertinent, is that you can't let Arcidiano score 32pts in this game. The kid is a freshman who was averaging 11.5pts per game. The fact that this continues to happen game after game is just poor coaching in my opinion.

On the positive side, love what I saw out of D'Angelo (of course), like what I saw out of Branch in flashes when he was playing well (hopefully that becomes the norm from him), Amir played very well and I like the the resiliency we should coming back from 8 down in the secind half rather than letting the a game on the road get out of hand.

With the way our defense and rebounding is right now we have absolutely no shot against the elite teams in this league. Rutgers got bombed by like 30pts at Syracuse last night. I can see that happening to us when we go up there.
 
Classic double-edged sword game. Did so many things poorly that it feels like it should have been a win with better play in even one facet of the game. At the same time did enough things well to almost steal a road game in conference despite playing so poorly. Which piece gets focused will shift based on the outcome of each game, but the bottom line is both exist: this team is dangerous in a lot of ways and incredibly deficient in others. Very little inbetween.

I think the most simplistic deficiency that can be quickly resolved is that this team is half-pregnant defensively, which you can't be. You either are or you aren't. The idea or approach that this team is going to be "complete" defenisvely at any piont in the near future needs to be thrown out the window this morning. Rather, they need to start focusing on taking something - anything - away on defense. Because right now they are caught in the middle and aren't taking anything away. They don't defend the perimeter, they don't defend the interior, and they don't rebound.

The defensive focus needs to be simplified prior to Cincy. Either (1) tighten the zone up and dare someone to beat you from 3, or (2) have 5 guys extending and getting into people and dare someone to beat you at the rim. Right now we can't stop either, with a 3-2 that exposes us to a simple high ball screen at the top and also ends us up with guards rotating down on bigs at the rim at the same time. Taking away one would be a big step in the right direction. We take one away last night and it's a win.
 
Was also hard to win when it's 5 on 8. The refs were awful last night. The non flagrant on Sutton and the flagrant on Branch? come on! They shot 22 more free throws than us... just crazy. I will give some credit to nova tho, that kid Ryan Arciadacona (sp?) has a nice shot and punished us for not hedging properly.
 
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